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SWIM has recently moved in with a friend who was in possession of some MHRB but did not have the comfort level or motivation to attempt an extraction... SWIM has been told he can go nuts. It is now over a year old, but SWIM is confidently looking forward to his first DMT experience. However, he has encountered some difficulty locating an appropriate NP solvent to use for a straight to base tek based on Noman's. He has purchased some Home Hardware brand "odorless paint thinner" which is labeled as containing "petroleum naphtha." He is currently evaporating a small quantity to test for residue, but it seems to him as long as it comes up clean, this should be fine. Is he correct? He plans to evaporate the pulls then recrystallize in a freezer. He is considering an ammonia wash between those steps, but as he is feeling impatient and couldn't find any ammonia either he may skip that step for the first attempt, or use a very cold water wash instead.
 
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My friend has never used it but has heard nothing really good about odorless spirits and how soluable DMT is in them. If thats all you can manage, double the amount for each pull, use heat, and evap rather than precip. As for ammonia, its unnecessary if you're going to recrystalize. But then you'll need a solvent to recrystalize with.
 
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SWIM is able to get "odourless mineral spirits" paint thinner but this kind appears to be different. The evap came up pretty clean but took a long time with a fan. He went exploring again today and wasn't able to come up with anything else... couldn't seem to locate any toluene either.
 
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try to get VM & P naphtha if you can. Chances are it is cleaner. But...if it does evaporate cleanly you *should* be fine. Odorless mineral spirits take well over 2x as long to evaporate as actual naphtha (talking about a long time on a hot summer day(s)).
 
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Has anyone ever tried white spirit as a solvent? looking at the ingredients listed; Naptha (petroleum) hydrosulfurised heavy UN 1300 Turpentine substitute (white spirit) EC No. 265-185-4 It is a lot cheaper than buying lighter fluid so I'm hoping it will work. Since my friends goldfish will be recrystalising anyway (for which he can use lighter fluid as it requires much smaller quantities) a few impurities hopefully wont matter too much. Any thoughts?
 
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in my experience a decent lighter fluid will evap at least twice as quick as white spirit [uk] and much cleaner don't know if your spirit was different but most leave quite a bit of slimy stuff to the op, exactly how much petroleum naptha does the thinner contain proportionately? could have some other nasty stuff. hows the test evap goin? good luck
 
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The main problem for my friends goldfish is that lighter fluid costs £1 for 100ml. Very quickly this adds up to be the single most expensive ingredient in the whole process (Mimosa 2nd but that was expected). If something else can be found that works and costs a lot less then this would be used instead then the cleaner more expensive lighter fluid would be used for recrystalisation clean up. If anyone else in the UK knows of a cheap alternative solvent they can recomend I'd be very interested to hear it.
 
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SWIM does not know for sure that petroleum naphtha is the only ingredient in his paint thinner but it is the only thing listed as a content (under the safety section, where you look if you accidentally drink some so poison control knows how fucked you are), and it evaps completely clean, though rather slow. A sample of probably 80ml, give or take, took about 10 hours with the aid of a fan in an unventilated room. Since his hunting high and low for *any* sort of recommended solvent has turned up zilch, he's started the process, hoping for both acceptable solubility levels and that the soup sitting in lye solution so long hasn't degraded any alks. He has tried three pulls of 50ml each on each of his 25g-containing jars, the solvent is currently in his freezer. He has one more pull sitting in each of the soup jars which he will leave overnight before removing and based on the contents of his freezer tomorrow, will either try to freeze precip, partial evap/freeze precip, or straight evap. As stated in the IPA thread, if all else fails, he is brainstorming a strain/acidify/IPA-pull process that should hopefully net DMT in the salt form which he may then either try to dissolve in acid, basify, evap and wash (without a NP pull, only DMT vinegar and lye dissolved), or try to dose orally with an MAOI. as an aside, he found the syringe he had intended to use for removing the NP layer completely useless and was frustrated with a long and tedious separation involving an eye dropper and a lot of patience. What's a good way to siphon and decant with kitchen chemistry supplies? He would love a separatory funnel but that's a ways down the road.
 
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update: a little over 2 hours in, the jar of solvent in SWIM's freezer is now cloudy and white with small clusters starting to form. He's super excited. He says there are places on the side of the jar above where the solvent is sitting that were splashed with the eye dropper that now have formations that look like fat snowflakes.
 
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[quote:92b2e80bef="foxwalk"]as an aside, he found the syringe he had intended to use for removing the NP layer completely useless and was frustrated with a long and tedious separation involving an eye dropper and a lot of patience. What's a good way to siphon and decant with kitchen chemistry supplies? He would love a separatory funnel but that's a ways down the road.[/quote:92b2e80bef] Put the jar in the freezer and when the aqueous freezes, pour off the NP.
 
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@ Noman: that makes sense, but wouldn't the dissolved DMT start crashing out before the aqueous phase freezes solid? Ice seems like it would be a great seeding surface for DMT, and a nice little layer of crystals on top of your frozen soup would infuriate SWIM. SWIM says his initial excitement was tempered when the crystals appeared to stop growing just 3-4 hours after going into the freezer, and at about 16 hours his solvent was still cloudy. He is beginning to suspect his initial pessimism regarding the quality of his solvent was unfounded and the excess volume used in his pulls to compensate resulted in unsaturated solvent... is this a good diagnosis? He is currently filtering it, and plans to partial evap and refreeze, which even if he's wrong should net a little more. The solvent left in the soup overnight (total approx. 200mL) was recently transfered to a separate container and placed in the fridge. It will soon move to the freezer. He is expecting a low yeild from this pull to support his earlier hypothesis. If it pulls well, he assumes he should continue extracting from his soup? SWIM is absolutely not confident eyeballing the yield precipitated so far but would be pleased to discover it broke 200mg and unsurprised to find it around 100. He should be expecting 400-500mg from his 100g bark, correct? Would the age of his bark or the fact the soup (finely pulverized) sat in lye solution for around 10 days negatively effect his yield to this extent? Knowing SWIM's roommate and seeing the condition the ziplock it has been stored in, he would be unsurprised.
 
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OK, SWIM is absolutely baffled now. He has his jar of solvent upsid down over a collection jar with a coffee filter across where the lid should be like Noman posted a picture of somewhere in this forum. For a little while, solvent dripped through and was accumulating clear in the lower jar. How of 600mL solvent, maybe 100mL tops has made it through the filter and it hasn't moved in hours. WTF? The jars are in the freezer still. The filter paper doesn't seem clogged from the outside, but SWIM hasn't looked at the inside. edit: filter is certainly not clogged. SWIM loosened the coffee filter and tugged it into a pointy shape to give the solvent something to drop down, which seems to be helping a lot... he believes he has solved this problem. edit again: actually, the saturated filter was attatched too tightly to the jar and formed a seal. Loosening it allowed air to get in and solvent to get out. SWIM filtered for zilch in the paper... jar was spatula'd for maybe a couple mL of oily white stuff floating in a drop or two of solvent. He's trying it in the freezer to see if he can pour anything off the oil, then he'll go to evap. Just a couple brown flecks which must have carried over from the soup make him want to recrystallize, but he cringes at the idea of reducing his already minuscule yield. His used solvent is in a hot water bath trying ot evap down from 600mL to a lower volume. The water is letting off just a little steam, and a fine particulate can be seen emerging from the jar of solvent if held up to a light, but this is going to take him for EVER. The overnight pull in his freezer is showing basically nothing on the sides but has a few floaties. He says it doesn't look like much but probably not less proportionally to what he nabbed with the first three pulls. He suspects there are still goods in his soup and would love to locate a better solvent... any Ontario residents have some info? sorry if my chatter here gets annoying... SWIM certainly appreciates any help, but also I sort of figure every bit of experience shared is worth something especially to newcomers like SWIM and myself. SWIM doesn't exactly want to publish, but likes the idea of his learning helping others.
 
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musing from my corner, and feeling a little like 'ranting'- Going cheap is no logic at all; why are we doing these things anyways..? to 'make' dmt on-the-cheap and easy..? I pay $5.00 for 345 ml of Ronsonol, and I evaporate all of it to get super high yeilds and quality! I 'waste' it all ! Imo, we should always pay for quailty solvents, just like you'd pay for nutritious, clean, good quality food. We are going to do more than 'eat' this stuff, right ..?! To risk anything about our health, even 1% chance of it 'being BAD for you' imo is NOT worth it ! Do it right !~ My precious Brain cells, and my precious MHRB, Ronsonol, ... 35% HCL, NaOH, pH pen... all that stuff is worth it, to have, to eliminate the risk. Stick with a proper tek, use the exact solvents called for, do all the safety checks (such as evap' all NP solvents for residues), and don't take risks by doing anything you just don't understand, or haven't had someone show you - the best way to learn is to see it done, cooking show style. I'm glad we have this forum ! Stories, ideas and pictures even about drano and turpentine come up ..! And isopropanol and acetone ! ...because 'it's there' or 'cheap', people wonder... Good ! Wonder aloud ! I'm glad we'll ask anything here, and then even tell anything ! It's way riskier when we really don't understand what's entailed - like driving - try it in Japan ! . And btw, extracting tryptamines from plant matter, and making dmt stable and soluble, be it as a salt or a freebase, is worth asking about, never mind my rants ... So let me end my rant with a question - Isn't it all about using one of the few 'right' non-polar solvents, even though there are 100's out there..? And is it true that Naphtha, diethyly ether and DCM are the BEST non-polar solvents to use because dmt-freebase is selectively, and highly soluble in them ( aside from low boiling/evap' temp)..? ie. there are no better solvents than these if you're after dmt from tree and root bark ? How else can we explain the exceptional purity achieved..? There are just a few oils drops in the first NP-solvent pull, but such pure dmt results, so the NP-solvent of choice (ie that the tek calls for) must be selective for dmt, no..? And why would one use toluene for dmt..? For getting red-'jungle spice' ? Is it also true the toluene is good for pulling other alkaloids that may be present if you didn't cook the acid/base extraction..? If I understand corrctly, 'jungle spice' alkaloids don't get pulled out by naphtha but they do with a long, slow extraction into toluene...
 
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Hours later and SWIM's solvent just won't evap. The oily goop separated into hard white-yellow stuff and solvent in the freezer, which was poured off, then the hard stuff melted into nasty looking grease barely more viscous than water and of fuck-all volume. Looked gross and useless, then evap'd to a useless film you wouldn't dare smoke even if you could scrape it into enough to bother. Ok. So far, no success. SWIM's overnight pull is still in the freezer with a few sizable-looking chunks he's hoping will grow or at least not vanish when he filters them out. Also, while trying to simmer down his solvent, he realized he had some too-hot-to-touch solvent on his hands which should already contain at least a little DMT, plus he expects there to be more in his soup. An idiot check also revealed his brain had dropped the part of the tek he'd considered moron-proof... all previous pulls were badly under-agitated. Try some steaming-hot solvent with proper agitation and hope for better luck? Why not? He used about half the previous volume of solvent and when drawn off it showed a strong lemon-yellow tint he had previously not observed. That too is sitting in his freezer. His fingers are crossed. @ El Ka Bong: SWIM tells me he would really love to use the "right" solvent. He has hunted high and low in every conceivable place within a 20 minute drive.
 
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[quote:b1a51e77c4="fourthripley"]Re: siphoning, my cat uses this [img:b1a51e77c4]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff262/lovelyben/11932179243770-1.jpg[/img:b1a51e77c4] Not an original idea.A 10ml syringe with plunger removed, with a 5ml 'medicine dropper' syringe fitted snuggly in the top.The solvent never touched the plunger and so is unable to bugger it up :) I ripped the idea from Quantambrujo.[/quote:b1a51e77c4] Haha, Im new to this site, and I love how so many people's pets are extracting DMT. There lucky, no one will prosecute a cat. What would be good solvents for a dual solvent extraction? Im fairly new at chemistry, with only a highschool chemistry course, and I haven't tried DMT. No one I know has tried DMT. Also, would naptha and vm&p and the other solvents dissolve those little plastic droppers? Im not quite sure what there called, but I think everyone has seen them. Little soft plastic thing where you squeeze the top and the release it and it sucks up liquid. My puppies want to know, so they can try DMT. On an unrelated note, one of my puppies HAS actually tried bufotenin. She ate a full bufo frog when she was only a few months old, and we thought she was going to die.
 
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