SWIM has recently moved in with a friend who was in possession of some MHRB but did not have the comfort level or motivation to attempt an extraction... SWIM has been told he can go nuts. It is now over a year old, but SWIM is confidently looking forward to his first DMT experience. However, he has encountered some difficulty locating an appropriate NP solvent to use for a straight to base tek based on Noman's. He has purchased some Home Hardware brand "odorless paint thinner" which is labeled as containing "petroleum naphtha." He is currently evaporating a small quantity to test for residue, but it seems to him as long as it comes up clean, this should be fine. Is he correct? He plans to evaporate the pulls then recrystallize in a freezer. He is considering an ammonia wash between those steps, but as he is feeling impatient and couldn't find any ammonia either he may skip that step for the first attempt, or use a very cold water wash instead.
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Success, finally! SWIM says the hot solvent pull actually made lots of crystals, which are drying on a coffee filter. He doesn't have a milligram scale but it seems much closer to correct. When his solvent jar was spatula'd out, the spatula wasn't stiff enough to remove all the residue, so he scraped out the bottom with a round tip knife. This yeilded a substantial amount of yellow paste, which is drying but not crystals (edit: it dried to bright yellow opaque crystals with flecks of plasticy-white looking stuff that looks just like the white crystals). This is DMT + plant fats, and smokeable, correct? Would it be more appropriate for oral dosing with an MAOI?
[quote:253a4445c3="El Ka Bong"]musing from my corner, and feeling a little like 'ranting'- Going cheap is no logic at all; why are we doing these things anyways..? to 'make' dmt on-the-cheap and easy..? I pay $5.00 for 345 ml of Ronsonol, and I evaporate all of it to get super high yeilds and quality! I 'waste' it all ! Imo, we should always pay for quailty solvents, just like you'd pay for nutritious, clean, good quality food. We are going to do more than 'eat' this stuff, right ..?![/quote:253a4445c3] Complete rubbish. Solvents don't cost £1 for 100ml or anywhere near that to make. The reason it is charged at that price is simply because they are selling lighter fluid for pocket lighters in small quantities because you only need small quantities for a pocket lighter. 'Cheaper' does not necessarily equate to 'lower quality'. This should be obvious to anyone with any experience of reality. In the UK the situation is even worse than in the states (in terms of finding a cheap high quality solvent). This is presumably because of market forces - little demand so little supply. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with paying less for a solvent. There is nothing fundamentally better about paying more (if you disagree I have some lighter fluid that comes in a gold coloured can - £10 for 100ml, if it costs that much it MUST be good, right?). If you can get good results with a cheaper solvent then this is all the better. There is no need to rant about quality. There is no logic in assuming a more expensive solvent will necessarily produce better results. In case anyone is interested - the white spirit my friend's goldfish tried did extract DMT but with quite a few impurities. This is not necessarily a problem. If recrystalisation cleans things up (using the more expensive but higher quality lighter fluid in smaller quantities) then a lot of money will be saved with no reduction in final quality.
OK well my friend's goldfish has just finished his experiment with white spirit instead of lighter fluid for the final DMT solvent. For this an old previously extraced basified solution of DMT and mimosa gunk was used that had already been pulled from several times with high quality lighter fluid so the experiment was to test whether or not it worked and at what quality with the white spirit rather than ligher fluid, it was not being tested in terms of relative quantity. Normally my friend tells me that his goldfish evaporates the lighter fluid down to about 1/3 then sticks it in the freezer but for the experiment with white spirit he forgot about the dish that was evaporating for a few days and when he next checked it had all evaporated leaving behind a good amount of slightly brown and sticky DMT crystals. The crystals where fairly obviously of poorer quality than what would be produced had lighter fluid been used rather than white spirits. These poor quality crystals were collected then recrystalised using a standard recrystalisation technique with high quality lighter fluid. The results of a single recrystalisations stage appeared to be of the same quality as the DMT produced purely through use of lighter fluid as a solvent and then one lighter fluid recrystalisation. My Friend's goldfish considers this a great success. The recrystalisation step means that the end results are of the same quality but far less lighter fluid is used, using white spirit instead for most of the process which is significantly cheaper. The cost of lighter fluid was getting rather high so this makes a big difference. My friend's goldfish did notice that the white spirits evaporated much slower than lighter fluid so he used a fan directed downwards onto a large open glass baking tray to maximise surface area and evaporation. He had not intended to evaporate it all away but forgot about it for a few days.
DreaMTripper
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Ive seen 'dicloremethane and methanol' in Homebase would this be good to use? At the moment im planning on using Swan lighter fluid is there a better one out there? Its impossible to find Zippo as has been recommended before. Im in the UK by the way. 
In personal news, from 4 pulls of 0.8-1mL hot solvent per gram bark each, SWIM made 4 pulls last week from his 100g bark which yeilded white crystals with some yellow tint and were weighed at 320mg. This was combined with 100mg his friend had stored away and 4 people were dosed orally with 3.5g powdered p. harmala seeds, followed in 40 minutes by approximately 100mg extracted crystals. Though two of SWIM's friends were violently ill for some time, all 4 were extremely pleased with the experience and SWIM himself (a veteran of many a psychedelic experience) was blown away in the best possible manner. A 5th pull was attempted out of curiosity and netted an amount eyeballed at 40-50mg. He intends to continue extracting from his solution until the yeilds no longer seem worth the time, then attempt a toluene extraction in search of red "jungle spice". SWIM reports that the initial 3 pulls netted very clean, very white crystals when the jar was scraped with a spatula while they were slightly damp, and the jar was then scraped with a round tipped knife which collected about 40mg yellow goo which crystallized to soft yellow crystals. For the 4th and moreso the 5th pull, solvent was reused, and the spatula-scraped crystals came out somewhat yellow and dirty looking, and the knife-scrapings netted a brown goo which dried incompletely and appears as earwax (this has been saved for eventual recrystallization from the sum of all similar waste). His solvent is now a pale yellow. He intends to attempt his next pull with fresh, unused solvent and see what happens. MrM: though I don't believe what SWIM is using is "white spirits", I anticipate your next extraction from a base solution that has not been sitting as long will come up cleaner. If you recrystallize anyway this might not be much of a concern to you but I've heard and also observed the "mimosa gunk" becomes more NP-soluble over time in the basified water. DreaMTripper: no Methanol is soluble in water and won't seperate to the top... and personally I'd recommend avoiding anything containing chlorine atoms.
An update: SWIM had planned to do two clean solvent test pulls to check to see 1) if the base soup was depleted and 2) if the unused solvent returned cleaner spice. However, he came up short for the second pull and used about 2/3 previously used solvent. He says both pulls were fuck-all yield (probably 10-15mg between them), but both came up quite clean and interestingly, pull #2 returned noticeably more than pull #1. This proves his freezer-temp saturated solvent still contained DMT. He'd left all previous pulls in the freezer for 18+ hours, but remembered filtering some milky looking solvent in the past. Since the recommendations seemed to say overnight and there had clearly been crystals in his jars, he'd figured he was done, but out of curiosity he threw his jar of ~600mL used solvent in the freezer for a few days while he was out of town. It had become somewhat opaque before he keft, and he returned to find it clear with a substantial amount of crystals inside... difficult to eyeball wet but he guesses possibly as much as 100mg (the solvent was filtered off, a shot glass of solvent was added back to the jar, the jar was boiled until all crystals dissolved and then poured out of the narrow mouth container for crystallization in a better vessel... a more accurate yield update to come). So, in short, "petroleum naphtha" may take a little longer in the freezer than vm&p... leave it in there 'till it's clear if you're going to try it. It may take a couple days but it WILL clear up.
Estimated dry weight of salvaged DMT: 60mg. This brings SWIM's total estimated yield to about 450mg from 100g bark. For very old poorly stored bark and a solvent people didn't seem to think was good, he's calling this not too shabby. SWIM also netted a healthy supply of yellow-brown goop which soaked into the coffee filter when he tried to dry it for later washing. As before, when his jar was scraped clean with a very floppy spatula, only very clean white was netted. The further scraping with the knife pulled up crud. SWIM would recommend floppy spatulas. A kind soft enough to sweep damp crystals around in the jar without disturbing the sticky stuff. This seems like a simple and effective way of minimizing contaminants... the crap can then be collected (onto glass next time) and saved, so the DMT can be recovered from accumulated grunge once it seems like there's enough to bother with. I'm thinking of summarizing SWIM's experience into useful tips with this solvent in a new thread, since I've seen it mentioned quite a bit throughout the forum to a generally ambiguous response. Would that be appreciated?
MR.shroom
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hammerite paint and brush thinners stuuf thats inside 200-662-2 67-64-1 ACETONE 25-50 F, Xi R11-36-66-67 265-150-3 64742-48-9 NAPHTHA (PETROLEUM), HYDROTREATED HEAVY 25-50 Xn R10-65-66 204-658-1 123-86-4 N-BUTYL ACETATE 1.0-2.5 R10-66-67 white spirit -bartoline brand it seens it haves more naphtha than others hope any of u guys can help me some clues about non-polar solvents in uk my goldfish decided to start an extraction of mhrb next week (still waiting for delivery from ebay, what a smart fish he his) so he put me on the mission to find the rest of the stuff , so im left with the solvent that i cant find it anywhere exept ligther fluid any uk help would be eternally gratefull
DreaMTripper
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Swan lighter fluid is effective as is ronsonol. Homebase have a naptha brushcleaner also. Your goldfish wont have to lool far what it needs