Are other Cannabinoids phycoactive when mixed with THC?

[JohnIce2]

Funny question haha. So Ive been doing some experiments with myself and cannabis products here recently and upon doing so I seem to have noticed the change in the "Trip" (Always trip on pot for some reason. Made a post about it HERE) in some odd ways.

To begin:
When I do Dabs or BHO I seem to have a high but its not as "trippy" as with plant material. I have found that I can indeed trip from BHO alone but it requires a large amount (as compared to average BHO potency and how the Cannabinoid ratio relates to with that of normal bud) and is a different type of trip.

Now my pot trips are like this... I smoke and feel the instant high you get from it and then about 5-15mins later I get a hardcore creeper effect where I seem to zone out and zone back in (within a few seconds) and then im high as fuck, everything is slowed down (alot compared to before this started happening), and sounds would seem to reverberate more and sound louder. I would get mild CEVs and OEVs (ones kinda like the objects in my field of vision would change and move around ever so slightly when I would blink or un-focus on them). Hell one time I was in a car and kept seeing cats everywhere... but their may have just been cats everywhere lol. The mental effect is similar to "Being in ones own head" if you guys can get that. Now these effects do of coarse diminish as tolerance grows but their still present no matter the amount smoked and they get more intense with increasing levels of Cannabinoids.

Now since this is getting to a pretty lengthy post imma cut it a bit.
Main Point: How does pot affect you and have you noticed the difference in how ammount of THC to other Cannabinoids changes the experience (or makes the trip more intense if you react to weed like myself )?

 

[null24]

Marijuana affects me in many different ways, from giving me the energy to clean the house to helping to go to sleep to combating anxiety and depression to inspiring creativity. It also gives me very very psychedelic affects.

Many of these differences are strain dependent. When most people think of strains they think of the common Indica versus sativa, in the indicas being more couch lockey and sativas producing a more energetic, soaring high.

However, this only begins to scratch the surface. Not only are there several different cannabinoids as you pointed out in the marijuana plant, but there are over 70 different terpenes. Well these are known to give marijuana it's bouquet – it's flavor, smell, and other appealing characteristics, it's coming to be understood that the terpene content and the various ratios between them in different plants contribute greatly to the effects.

I have experimented with THC extracts and vaporizing pens and it haven't been really impressed with the result, even with extracts and 90% range. They sell pins with extracts from both strains as well as a hybrid offer, but I honestly don't notice very much difference, while I can usually tell you blind whether I'm smoking one or the other.. I'm very much partial to the full spectrum of what's in the whole plant

Once it's understood perfectly, a person will be able to find the strain that suits them for whatever use they are looking to achieve with it. One could have several different varieties to use throughout the day. And this could all be determined by simply looking at a label rather than having to go through trial and error with several different kinds.

 

[dreamer042]

^^^ Great post, well put.

Such is already the case. If anyone isn't familiar, leafly has a well kept index of cannabis strains and their medicinal effects.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Is it strange if I actually want cannabis to effect me in this way?

-eg

 

[JohnIce2]

As in trip??
And thank you for the information!! I knew about Terpenes but I did not know of the variety their are of them. Do you believe that Terpenes could give psychoactive effects on its own?? I found a good site that lists the Terpenes effects here, but I do not know if any would be recreational.

 

[Orion]

Main Point: How does pot affect you and have you noticed the difference in how ammount of THC to other Cannabinoids changes the experience (or makes the trip more intense if you react to weed like myself Big grin )?

I've had closed eye visuals only once from cannabis. I was at a friend of a friend's house, and he had a jar of buds, no idea what the strain was (I should have asked). We talked and passed a joint around.

The high was a little racy, but not in an unpleasant way, not particularly stoney. The main thing I remember was closing my eyes and seeing ziggurat-like structures, as viewed from above. They were a sandy colour, semi transparent against the darkness. Very definite, more than just imagination, a genuine 'closed eye visual'.

Never had that happen before or since.

 

[Chan]

As in trip??
And thank you for the information!! I knew about Terpenes but I did not know of the variety their are of them. Do you believe that Terpenes could give psychoactive effects on its own?? I found a good site that lists the Terpenes effects here, but I do not know if any would be recreational.

Terpenes are everywhere, as your list shows.

Salvinorin-A is a tri-terpene, and while nobody would call that recreational, it is definitely psychoactive

So, we probably shouldn't focus only on alkaloids...

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

As in trip??
And thank you for the information!! I knew about Terpenes but I did not know of the variety their are of them. Do you believe that Terpenes could give psychoactive effects on its own?? I found a good site that lists the Terpenes effects here, but I do not know if any would be recreational.

Many forget that THC itself is a terpenoid, rather than an amine or an alkaloid...

It's my understanding that the salvinorins are trans-neoclerodane diterpenoids, and were the first nonalkaloids to be known to effect the kappa-opioid receptor.

Most psychoactives are amines, alkaloids, etc...so even cannabis' main active compound THC stands out as a bit of an odd-ball in the world of psychedelics and even psychoactives.

I have a bunch of pictures regarding terpenes, but have posted them on other threads, such as at the bottom of page two in this link sativa vs. indica - Generic - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

-eg

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

As in trip??
And thank you for the information!! I knew about Terpenes but I did not know of the variety their are of them. Do you believe that Terpenes could give psychoactive effects on its own?? I found a good site that lists the Terpenes effects here, but I do not know if any would be recreational.

Many forget that THC itself is a terpenoid, rather than an amine or an alkaloid...

It's my understanding that the salvinorins are trans-neoclerodane diterpenoids, and were the first nonalkaloids to be known to effect the kappa-opioid receptor.

Most psychoactives are amines, alkaloids, etc...so even cannabis' main active compound THC stands out as a bit of an odd-ball in the world of psychedelics and even psychoactives.

I have a bunch of pictures regarding terpenes, but have posted them on other threads, such as at the bottom of page two in this link sativa vs. indica - Generic - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

-eg

Oh, when I made the comment about cannabis, yes, as in a trip, cannabis has not been able to give me more than a ++ on the shulgin scale, I wish I could still have +++ experiences with it, just like fitz hugh ludlow in his 1857 book the "hasheesh eater". I've experienced everything ludlow did when I was young, but can no longer obtain these "ordeals" from cannabis.

-eg

 

[concombres]

The dispensaries in my area have ridiculous variations of concentrates.
Even from the same plant material some of the different types of concentrates have different types of effects.

This is all second hand information of course, i have seen the different concentrates & been present while they were smoked but I do not partake anymore so difference in effects, etc. Is all stuff I hear from others who do smoke/vape regularly.

I do think that the different types of concentrates offered & variations in effect have something to do with the other cannibinoids, terpenes, & flavonoids present in the extracts. I may be able to get a bit more info about this if I ask around. Obviously somebody is producing the concentrates for the dispensaries & knows exactly what the differences are & how to isolate whatever different things cause different effects fairly well

 

[JohnIce2]

The dispensaries in my area have ridiculous variations of concentrates.
Even from the same plant material some of the different types of concentrates have different types of effects.

This is all second hand information of course, i have seen the different concentrates & been present while they were smoked but I do not partake anymore so difference in effects, etc. Is all stuff I hear from others who do smoke/vape regularly.

I do think that the different types of concentrates offered & variations in effect have something to do with the other cannibinoids, terpenes, & flavonoids present in the extracts. I may be able to get a bit more info about this if I ask around. Obviously somebody is producing the concentrates for the dispensaries & knows exactly what the differences are & how to isolate whatever different things cause different effects fairly well

Well It sounds like a Tolerance thing. Honestly I did some research last night (before trippin on 6g rue + weed. Lol purged 3 times, didn't feel it. Shit got crazy haha) and their are a few ways to potentate cannabis. So you could use rue like I did (nauseas pretty bad and I don't think u can avoid the purge easily but the visuals are pretty good for a legal substance and even better with weed.) or you could go the terpenes method and order some Myrcene (in Mangoes and weed) and vape some of that with your pot. It helps thc cross the BBB faster and with a better efficiency so taking some before smoking, while smoking and using a vaporizer (not a pipe) will give you the most THC and other Cannabonids to your system. But yeah initially the reason it made you trip I would imagine would be the terpenes and flavonoid content in the specific strain of cannabis. Hell Ive heard Maou Wowwie can make you trip if you get a well grown sample. You could use BHO and mix it with normal bud. All of these have givin me Cannabis potentiation. Also smoking a bowl (after a week break from smoking or so) about 3 hours into a LSA trip will make you trip pretty hard. But its intense in its own ways so like may compare differently with say LSD or such.

I plan on testing the Myrcene method mentioned above here soon tbh. I ordered some last night. 10$ 30ml PURE essential oil.

 

[JohnIce2]

I ment to quote the guy above you concombres haha sorry!
-EDIT-
So Just looked up the Scale and on average weed is a ++ for me (like I trip but its easliy ignored with practice), last night with the rue and cannabis was a +++.5 for me. Like im not the most experienced tripper but haha THAT was a trip . Idk how anyone can take more than 6g of rue tho. To me felt like a mix of Cannabis Brownies (I smoked tho lol), LSA (Intensified about 70-90 times), Nutmeg (Vomiting and Very Stoned but slight stimulant feeling with textural visuals), and Adderal (on its own). So yeah... kinda felt like I was in space. And like anything I imagined would faintly appear behind closed eyes. had some 3D Cevs for a little bit their. Walking made me feel like the room was sideways. Trails and tracers were crazy to the point my vision was delayed by 1.5 seconds. Felt Vertigo here and their but though that may have been the ammount ingested without tolerance (only took 1g EVER before this). The walls seemed to turn static on me. Time was 2 minutes longer for every minute that went by. Had vivid visions of me with family members with closed eyes. CEVs were also like a big circle that was greyscale, darker on the outside turning lighter inside but not hitting white, and in this circle things would appear and spin and kinda looked like I was going down a vague neon tunnel. I could see a Neon Blue outline of my body with eyes closed as well as the room around me (in only black lights) very vividly but it would change itself. Felt connected to everything and felt and heard vibrations throughout my body.

That about sums it up. Come up was smooth. After purging I think I tripped the most.

 

[Lizz]

As in trip??
And thank you for the information!! I knew about Terpenes but I did not know of the variety their are of them. Do you believe that Terpenes could give psychoactive effects on its own?? I found a good site that lists the Terpenes effects here, but I do not know if any would be recreational.

That is a really interesting article. I never knew that the reason the different strains of marijuana smelled or tasted a certain way, also had a part in the way it effects your body. That's incredible. My husband and I harbored somewhat of a fear that if marijuana were to ever become fully legal in the US, that it would become mass produced and reconstituted, like most cigarettes are Now this proves to me that It would be impossible to make money that way because it wouldn't at all be the same and would most likely not be favorable.
I wonder how many other plant medicines are better to experience in their natural forms?

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

The dispensaries in my area have ridiculous variations of concentrates.
Even from the same plant material some of the different types of concentrates have different types of effects.

This is all second hand information of course, i have seen the different concentrates & been present while they were smoked but I do not partake anymore so difference in effects, etc. Is all stuff I hear from others who do smoke/vape regularly.

I do think that the different types of concentrates offered & variations in effect have something to do with the other cannibinoids, terpenes, & flavonoids present in the extracts. I may be able to get a bit more info about this if I ask around. Obviously somebody is producing the concentrates for the dispensaries & knows exactly what the differences are & how to isolate whatever different things cause different effects fairly well

I'm my area even the concentrate manufactures don't necessarily know this stuff, I mean to know how to stuff cannabis in a glass tube with a filter on one end and a receptor for an aerosol butane can on the other, and simply inject the butane into the tube, where it condenses as a liquid as it falls through the cannabis, the butane is then evaporated and the final.residue "purged" in the oven.

Now, knowing how to do this, and understanding the chemistry and physiology of the product you produced are two different things...

The dispensary folks can be knowledgeable, are not required in any way to actually know or understand these things.

Rather every smoker should personally research these topics, there's a good deal of misinformation out there.

I can't tell much difference between extracts except that anything over 35% THC makes me cough like I'm about to die, even with my hash-smokers-lungs. The extracts produce a far more intense experience, but it's a THC experiance...(and still can't push me past a ++ on the shulgin scale)

I think the flowers are actually more variable in their effects, but that's just me.

-eg

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

I ment to quote the guy above you concombres haha sorry!
-EDIT-
So Just looked up the Scale and on average weed is a ++ for me (like I trip but its easliy ignored with practice), last night with the rue and cannabis was a +++.5 for me. Like im not the most experienced tripper but haha THAT was a trip . Idk how anyone can take more than 6g of rue tho. To me felt like a mix of Cannabis Brownies (I smoked tho lol), LSA (Intensified about 70-90 times), Nutmeg (Vomiting and Very Stoned but slight stimulant feeling with textural visuals), and Adderal (on its own). So yeah... kinda felt like I was in space. And like anything I imagined would faintly appear behind closed eyes. had some 3D Cevs for a little bit their. Walking made me feel like the room was sideways. Trails and tracers were crazy to the point my vision was delayed by 1.5 seconds. Felt Vertigo here and their but though that may have been the ammount ingested without tolerance (only took 1g EVER before this). The walls seemed to turn static on me. Time was 2 minutes longer for every minute that went by. Had vivid visions of me with family members with closed eyes. CEVs were also like a big circle that was greyscale, darker on the outside turning lighter inside but not hitting white, and in this circle things would appear and spin and kinda looked like I was going down a vague neon tunnel. I could see a Neon Blue outline of my body with eyes closed as well as the room around me (in only black lights) very vividly but it would change itself. Felt connected to everything and felt and heard vibrations throughout my body.

That about sums it up. Come up was smooth. After purging I think I tripped the most.

I've taken cannabis and peganum harmala and it felt like cannabis mixed with peganum harmala. I don't think it was the cannabis that was psychedelic, rather you may have overdosed on harmine, adrenaline, and tetrahydroharmine.

6g of peganum harmala is double a standard dose, and with p. Harmala after 3 grams it just makes you sick...it's really more of an MAOI than in intoxicant, though high doses can be very psychoactive...

-eg

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

It was supposedly say "harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine" no tim

Damn autocorrect...

-eg

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

I ment to quote the guy above you concombres haha sorry!
-EDIT-
So Just looked up the Scale and on average weed is a ++ for me (like I trip but its easliy ignored with practice), last night with the rue and cannabis was a +++.5 for me. Like im not the most experienced tripper but haha THAT was a trip . Idk how anyone can take more than 6g of rue tho. To me felt like a mix of Cannabis Brownies (I smoked tho lol), LSA (Intensified about 70-90 times), Nutmeg (Vomiting and Very Stoned but slight stimulant feeling with textural visuals), and Adderal (on its own). So yeah... kinda felt like I was in space. And like anything I imagined would faintly appear behind closed eyes. had some 3D Cevs for a little bit their. Walking made me feel like the room was sideways. Trails and tracers were crazy to the point my vision was delayed by 1.5 seconds. Felt Vertigo here and their but though that may have been the ammount ingested without tolerance (only took 1g EVER before this). The walls seemed to turn static on me. Time was 2 minutes longer for every minute that went by. Had vivid visions of me with family members with closed eyes. CEVs were also like a big circle that was greyscale, darker on the outside turning lighter inside but not hitting white, and in this circle things would appear and spin and kinda looked like I was going down a vague neon tunnel. I could see a Neon Blue outline of my body with eyes closed as well as the room around me (in only black lights) very vividly but it would change itself. Felt connected to everything and felt and heard vibrations throughout my body.

That about sums it up. Come up was smooth. After purging I think I tripped the most.

I understand the shulgin scale in terms of psychoactives rather than psychedelics...

+ = threshold effect
++ = real effect, but you can ignore it and go about your daily activities
+++ = real effect, your on for the ride whether you like it or not.
++++ = special case of "peak experience" (I think shulgin only outlined between 2 and 4 compounds which ever rated a ++++)

-eg

 

[JohnIce2]

Oooh haha sorry about the Newbie mistake on the scale. Yeah it would have been a +++ by those standards.

Honestly I may have mistaken the mixture of the feelings from the two. I am inexperienced with Rue but I can say that the mix was great haha. At least for me it was. Im going to be doing a extraction on some rue here soon and then freebasing to mix with cannabis. I think that will go nicely

 

[concombres]

The dispensaries in my area have ridiculous variations of concentrates.
Even from the same plant material some of the different types of concentrates have different types of effects.

This is all second hand information of course, i have seen the different concentrates & been present while they were smoked but I do not partake anymore so difference in effects, etc. Is all stuff I hear from others who do smoke/vape regularly.

I do think that the different types of concentrates offered & variations in effect have something to do with the other cannibinoids, terpenes, & flavonoids present in the extracts. I may be able to get a bit more info about this if I ask around. Obviously somebody is producing the concentrates for the dispensaries & knows exactly what the differences are & how to isolate whatever different things cause different effects fairly well

I'm my area even the concentrate manufactures don't necessarily know this stuff, I mean to know how to stuff cannabis in a glass tube with a filter on one end and a receptor for an aerosol butane can on the other, and simply inject the butane into the tube, where it condenses as a liquid as it falls through the cannabis, the butane is then evaporated and the final.residue "purged" in the oven.

Now, knowing how to do this, and understanding the chemistry and physiology of the product you produced are two different things...

The dispensary folks can be knowledgeable, are not required in any way to actually know or understand these things.

Rather every smoker should personally research these topics, there's a good deal of misinformation out there.

I can't tell much difference between extracts except that anything over 35% THC makes me cough like I'm about to die, even with my hash-smokers-lungs. The extracts produce a far more intense experience, but it's a THC experiance...(and still can't push me past a ++ on the shulgin scale)

I think the flowers are actually more variable in their effects, but that's just me.

-eg

^ I think what I was seeing there was actually different types of concentrates.
Not that they can really get very selective with which terpenes & other compounds they pull, but there are different grades available. I do recall seeing different grades of bubble hash, shatter & some waxier stuff,then some oils & goopier looking stuff too.
Some of them I think come from sugar leaf & trim leaf rather than actual buds too.

Also, i`m sure you are aware of this already but they have started stocking "moonrock" as well, which is buds that have been enhanced with concentrates. Seems to be a big thing around here right now. It can get a little confusing though being that i hear that term used for MDMA fairly often too.

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

YES, YES and YES!

Terpenes have an effect, but the cannabinoids are very important. They are vital.

CBN gives the "couch-lock" or "stone" effect of cannabis, and in my experience also makes for a sensual, aphrodisiac effect.

CBD is the "built-in shaman" of the plant. It's a healer, a neuroprotective, and an important moderator of the psychedelic effects.

The big issue is that in most cannabis strains that weren't bred specifically as "medical" or "high CBD", the ratio of THC and CBD has been vastly altered in THCs favor compared to "traditional" weed (THC was raised by selective breeding from 1-2% to 10-40% in the flowers, while CBD remained at a ~0.1% level.)

What this means for the subjective experience of the high can be watched here:

There are other scientific researches ongoing that hint at CBD being essential in keeping cannabis safe from a neurotoxicity standpoint.

If you can choose between a "high CBD" strain and one that isn't, my suggestion is always go with the former.