Are these plants worth extracting from?

[Grower]

Some grasses are known to contain spice and i have found a grass growing wild here maybe worth trying with.
I include some pics, it grown in huge quantities here.
We also have a lot of Phragmites australis growing here and the roots might also be worth a extraction try.
I include some pics of these also.
Lastly we have Acorus calamus here and i have pulled up some roots and they smell very aromatic.
Although not containing the spice they might still be intresting to do some experimentation with.
What do you think, is the grass or Phragmite worth a experimental extraction?

Grower

 

[Ayawasqero]

Do it!

 

[Grower]

Nobody?

Someone can identify if this is Phalaris grass?
The first 5 pics.

Maybe i try some experiment with the Phragmites australis then.
This one im 100% sure what it is, and it is said to contain DMT.
Would be nice if i can find some info on extracting from this one though.
I will search.

Grower

 

[Tree_Spiral]

Looks like it.

So if it has DMT what else does it have in its profile?

 

[The Traveler]

You know, a little search cannot hurt and it is probably why you get no reactions. We expect our members to do their homework before asking any questions.

~Phalaris = The Way Of The Future~

Phalaris Grass - Big Medicine propagation

Phalaris/other grass types ID thread

Phalaris Canariensis - Extraction Attempt, First Batch

And these are only a few of the ones that popped up...


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Grower]

Sorry for not doing a research.
I thought it was an easy thing ID this but i now understand ID grasses isn't so easy.
I have studied the ID thread and will go back and look more carefully.

Grower

 

[Grower]

I have looked at the many pictures of Phalaris and i think the grass i have found is correct one.
I have included some new pictures below showing the ligule.
Do you also think i have found a Phalaris?
Would be nice if someone could confirm or deny this.

Grower

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

the ligule membrane does seem prominent, but that flower doesn't look like phalaris to me.
and wild arundinacea is hardly worth extracting anyways (unless you don't mind a veritable cocktail of various alkaloids).

 

[dreamer042]

Photos 1-6 in the first post are hard to tell, it's possible that's p. arundinacea

Photos 7 & 8 in the first post look like phragmites to me.

Photos 9 & 10 in the first post are cattails.

The photos in post #6 look like they could possibly be p. arundinacea but...

wild arundinacea is hardly worth extracting anyways (unless you don't mind a veritable cocktail of various alkaloids)

 

[Grower]

Photos 1-6 in the first post are hard to tell, it's possible that's p. arundinacea

Photos 7 & 8 in the first post look like phragmites to me.

Photos 9 & 10 in the first post are cattails.

The photos in post #6 look like they could possibly be p. arundinacea but...

wild arundinacea is hardly worth extracting anyways (unless you don't mind a veritable cocktail of various alkaloids)

Photos 1-5 in first post is the wild grass that i found that i think is P.Arundinacea.
The photos in post #6 is of the same grass.
This is the wild grass that i might try an experimental extraction on, if someone can confirm its a Phalaris variant.

Photos 6,7 & 8 in the first post is phragmites australis.
This is also said to contain the molecule.
I think the roots or rhizome is the part that one should use if trying an extraction.
I find it little strange that not more info on this one is around.
Maybe because it is not usable or maybe people just haven't tried it.

Photos 9 & 10 in the first post is Acorus calamus L., it might be called cattails where you live.
The roots are full of aromatic oils and smells strongly of it.
The essential oil contains Asarone that can be converted to TMA, read PHIKAL if interested in this.
However i am not sure this procedure is OK to discuss here according to the rules.
It is an interesting plant though.

Grower

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

cattails are genus typha, not even in the same family as calamus (family typhacea as opposed to aracea).

sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that is definitively NOT calamus.

also, looking at that second pic in post #6.
i am still not sure, but it does not look like any phalaris flower i have seen (it is my understanding that arundinacea flower can be fairly variable - but if i were a bettin' man, i would say the odds aren't looking too good).

also i did some digging on phragmites for you

Naphtha pulls on Phragmites australis rhizome (sold by a chinese herb vendor as lu-gen) yielded nothing. Acetone pulls did yield fatty yellow xtals.

TLC analysis results on the yellow xtals were quite ambiguous. It looks as though there may be dmt in there; but if so, it is in very very small amounts, even in the extract. Therefore Phragmites does not look very useful for our particular purposes.

..first hand reports to me: (both in E. Australia)

1 extraction low yeild (0.07%) from rhizomes; 18mg vaped - reasonably pure?+ mild sedative xtra? (subjective effects), seen as yellow oil. Only 1 attempt (due to low yield).
2nd extraction no alkaloids found, suspected misidentification of plant.

I have tried 2 extractions : [ winter ; Victoria , Australia ; brackish water environment . Fresh and dried rizome . STB method ] ... both experiments found negligible alkaloid content ... I am wondering if anybody has achieved positive , or worthwhile results with this species ?

also here is this pdf if you haven't read it already, though i question its veracity

 

[Grower]

That was not good news.
But it was good to know.
I have looked up Calamus and you are right that is not it.
However, when i did some research i found out that it grows here and i even know where it grows.
So i am going to go harvest some when i get time, probably this weekend.
I will take pictures of cause.

Too bad about the Phalaris, but you are unsure you say.
Maybe i can do an extraction test or is it a waste of solvents?

Grower