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Are we really ONE?
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Ginkgo
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It all depends on what level of existence you are looking at. At the physical plane, we clearly are individuals. But all particles interact, so perhaps we are one physically too, just deluded to believe otherwise? At the soul/essence plane, I think we are - more or less - individuals. At the plane above this, however, I think you can clearly see that we are one consciousness transmitted in various forms. We all get our consciousness from the same source. But we use it differently, and thus, we are both one and several. It all depends on your point of view.
astralsmity
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I think when it comes to most of these polemical discussions whether it be about hyperspace being an autonomous reality or a product of the mind, same for the entities, and so on, we have a tendency to want to gravitate heavily toward one side or another. I think for most of these questions we pose to ourselves related to DMT and our experiences and the interpretation of everyday reality, that the answer is usually in some gray area in the middle of the extremes. It's both easiest and natural to want to take a side, to want to have a yes/no answer to our complex questions, but I think that it's largely due in part to the fact that our questions aren't the simplest in the world, that they shouldn't have just one answer, and most likely won't be answered with an extreme.
Yes. I know we are all one. And I also know to a limited degree how through the mechanism of "reincarnation" the one extends throughout the many..but its extremely hyperdimensional and not easy to language..how do you lanuage something that comes to you in a 5 second download so profound that if it was a shared phenomenon would change the face of humanity?
You cant have many without a source to splice. We are diverse, and through our own diversity we forever forge that link time and time again as we journey full circle back through the cosmic heart of unity.
You cant have many without a source to splice. We are diverse, and through our own diversity we forever forge that link time and time again as we journey full circle back through the cosmic heart of unity.
Bod said:
There is only one way to answer that.... ask yourself who is asking. How are you going to know anything about consciousness or oneness if you don't know who or what is asking the question. Don't be afraid to ask the question, or worry about its answer. The "answer" to the question is inherent within the natural inborn knowledge of the universe.
There are some questions that will forever confuse and lead to more questions. For example, "why am I here?", "what is the point of living?", "what happens after death". You can speculate until the end of time on these questions, but thankfully, the universe has given one question that anyone should be able to discover the inherent knowledge. The question is, who am I? Rather than ask why you're here, you should figure out who you are in the first place to be asking the question.
Bod said:
Hey now Bod,
Last night I was clacking-away on my keyboard, attempting to put into the right words, what is beyond the limited scope of human linguistics and the written word. After two or three long-winded attempts, I gave up and went to sleep (as it was quite late in the evening). After spending some time in deep meditation this morning, I am feeling clear enough to embrace your queries. First of all, YES, we are all ONE. In fact, we are all the same being, cloaked in multiple bodies, which are transitory extensions of the ONE Eternal Self. This cannot be explained, proven logically or reduced to a concrete hypothesis, as it can only be experienced directly. One needs to have a break-through experience to fully comprehend the territory of such an inner awakening. For as the ego is dissolved into the Void, on the Sacred Journey... an understanding is gained of this level of macro-being.
By ONE-NESS, we are polarizing the TWO-NESS (which is the state of duality). On one side of the mirror is individual self and on the other side of the looking glass, unindividuated Self (God). For millenniums it has been inferred that duality is sheer illusion and the ONE is the only true reality. If we abandon BOTH polarities... we arrive into the endless expanse of the VOID. This frequency of indivisible consciousness is like a vacuum, which diffuses our fixation of being the observer, who in turn, is aware of the objects of observation.
This is where Apoc's statement about, "Who am I?" bears significant fruit. For, when the mind's need to differentiate between this and that subsides, it allows for a deeper perception of the issue of identity and the nature of self. The illumined Indian mystic Ramana Maharshi, became fully enlightened through the repeated questioning of, "Who am I?" If we shed our identification with the outer physical body, our mental conditioning and internal psychological predispositions... we emerge with a more Cosmic or Universal Self (so to speak). What we might refer to a Soul-connection to God?
By this very merging with the universal macro-being, our finite sense of micro-self or fixed identity, is temporarily removed from our consciousness and in such an objective place, time and space no longer exist (neither does self and other). If one were to try and correlate a rational hypothesis to such an experience, it would be Einstein's Theory of a Unified Energy Field. That is, the basic substance of which everything is composed of, as pure limitless energy, as that very essence/spirit which gives life, existence and dimension to everything. It has been compared to the building-block of all of creation. Is it not said in the bible, that God created the universe out of the word... which was GOD? This indivisible-ness is also the heart of each extension of said unified field or web of raw being. And still, there remains clear awareness.
Again, YES. For the very definition of "true" is that, which is all that falsehood, is not. If the God is everything and duality is decisively, NOT everything. By a process of direct elimination, we cross into the indivisible territory of the ONE. What I suggest here, is that in the truest sense of the words, duality is illusion and is therefore, the non-realty that shadows the Light of the ONE. Basically, we are trying to describe the polarity of the isolated/ individuated ego-identifications and... the interconnected/ undifferentiated frequency of ONE-NESS. Scared Medicines shatter the fixed reference points we substantiate, automatically, to preserve our learned behavior and accumulated labels of identification. Once stripped-away, the subjective observer is lost in the emptiness of eternity and loses the lines of definition, whereby reality as we know it, has completely disappeared. This has been called ego-death and the label fits well. Unless we cross this barrier, we can never merge with the Absolute and are therefore limited to the relative.
To think... within the parameters of a dualistic polarity if TWO-NESS (separate ego-self) and ONE-NESS (Omnipotent Spiritual-Self), there is nothing more REAL that this unity of pure undifferentiated mind. Now, this is what is referred to in India as The God-head. All else is a mirage of preconceived associations and our personal attachments to our mode of learned-behavior. Releasing these holds on our isolated personal selves, is the Journey of the Wounded Healer (to use Shamanic terminology). Ultimately, one merges and fuses within such a state on non-differentiated, raw awareness and loses all sense of personal self. And yet, there still remains CONSCIOUSNESS.
This is the state of pure Soul awareness. That which is a familiar microcosm, is suddenly expanded beyond the singular self, thus becoming aware of the macrocosm. This is the precursor to what has been called an inter-phase with: Infinity, Eternity or the Void. One could postulate that it is, in fact, an eclipse with ZERO. Zero is that mysterious point of THAT which is neither, ONE-NESS nor TWO-NESS. I must stress that this is not the implication of nothingness, as nothing is the polarity of everything. True? It is THAT which IS and cannot be grasped as an individuated soul and sentient being. This is what the Biblical story about God saying, "I am that I am." is all about. I AM-NESS simply is. Nothing can be spoken about, centered within this highest state of purest being, for it's very transcendent, intangibility defies human definition.
In a cosmic nutshell... the seeker walks the path towards this ONE-NESS. Along the way, the seeker is destroyed (albeit temporarily). Upon being reborn as the God-head, God finds that he/she/we are within everything, beyond everything and cannot see itself from such an absolute point of ZERO-NESS. You will find that you all all beings, the only being and non-being. As words are as useless in pinning-down such a subtle experience... we might just as futilely attempt to hit the stars with the pebbles that we toss at them. In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
Socrates is quoted as saying, "My knowledge comes from an unknowing." Plato's student Aristotle, paraphrased this wisdom (his teacher's teachers insight) as, "The more I know, the more I know how little I do know." The awakened Chinese Sage, Lao Tse, is quoted as saying, "The Tao that can be spoken of, is not the Eternal Tao." It becomes crystal-clear that such things cannot be hypothesized about nor theorized about, only experienced directly. Of course, Lao Tse also said, "Those who speak do not know. Those who know do not speak." So perhaps I should scrap this reply as well? Believe me, I am tempted... but that would be counterproductive. Or would it? Hmmm... :roll:
May your journey lead you toward the Light of ONE-NESS and beyond, into the formlessness and infinite expansion of Universal Mind/ God Consciousness (into the still, Omniscient silence of ZERO-NESS).
Peace, Love & Light... Rising Spirit
Imp
Rising Star
Think about the atoms in a pebble. There are many of them, but from our perspective, they make one pebble. So they are individual, from their level, but whole, from our perspective.Bod said:
I've toyed with the idea that consciousness is an energy which after death is redistributed into other conscious or unconscious things, or other energies ( which will eventually become conscious energy ), and a conscious organism ( i count animals ) has the conscious energy of multiple different previous lives, the combined effort of the dead to make a single organism.