Attempting MHRB Cake Method

[Mimosa_Man]

I'm leaning heavily towards attempting this tek

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/The_MHRB_CAKE_METHOD#The_Cake_Method

and I wonder If anyone has tried it and has anything more to add? All responses are welcome and I am looking forward to success :d

 

[Mimosa_Man]

I forgot to add I have heavily searched the forums and posts and can find nothing besides the method itself no other mention of this method has been made anywhere that I can find.

 

[3rdI]

ive not used the cake method and it seems that The Trav isnt keen on it as its a large scale extraction, so I guess I will leave it there.

I can however recommend cybs salt/max ion teks, they're reliable and easy.

if you search the term "cake method" then theres a couple of pages of results

 

[Mimosa_Man]

Oh wow, I swear those didn't show up before I posted this topic, if they had I'd never have even started it. Is 500g MHRB powder "large scale" though because that's the amount I was going to do? I like the tek because you get more bang for your buck as they seem to say, I never intended to sell anything I extract. I'm extracting for myself and a small group of psychonauts here in my home town I'm not even seeking reimbursements for extracting, a couple times a week my friends and I get together and take turns trying to break through and learn about the spirit world. Anyway I'm not sure how to close the topic. If you know how let me know and I'll drop it.

 

[3rdI]

you could get 10g+ from 500g of good bark which is quite a lot for 1 person but if its a split between a few people I guess its less.

topic will be fine I think, if the mods don't like it they will do as they see fit.

good luck with your extraction:thumb_up:

 

[Mimosa_Man]

From what I gathered I thought the tek said it might get upwards of 30g from 500g. And yeah it's split pretty evenly between me and 6 other people.

 

[3rdI]

From what I gathered I thought the tek said it might get upwards of 30g from 500g

that's a 6% yield, I don't see that happening. I would avoid the cake tek.

 

[Mimosa_Man]

That may be a good idea, I was thinking I might try a few 50g practice runs on a few different Teks to see what works best for me.

 

[3rdI]

That may be a good idea, I was thinking I might try a few 50g practice runs on a few different Teks to see what works best for me.

do this:thumb_up:

 

[Entheogenerator]

That may be a good idea, I was thinking I might try a few 50g practice runs on a few different Teks to see what works best for me.

Definitely do this. And I feel like it would be pretty well known here on The Nexus if anyone had ever managed a 6% yield, because nobody would ever use any other tek again! :lol:

I might also recommend one of cyb's teks for someone looking for max yield from a relatively simple process.

 

[Mimosa_Man]

I might also recommend one of cyb's teks for someone looking for max yield from a relatively simple process.

Yeah cyb's teks are both on the to do list. since i decided to pretty much try all the teks and experiment on my own combining teks and whatnot i added a little more mhrb to my small stockpile, i also plan to add some acrb as well as some chacruna and various other plants. i plan to document the teks and variations i apply and hopefully post it all in one big thread to save some people some time when researching teks.

 

[magic9]

I dont understand this part...

It was found that with 99%+, regardless of the type of alcohol ( meoh, etoh, and ipa ) that one "soak" brought out over 90 % of the alkaloids. The alcohol should be made heavily basic (koh, NaOH, but weaker bases could work) to a high ph of atleast 12+ . This makes the process efficient enough to do one "soak" and leave it at that, even further cutting the amount of labour involved!

so do you BASE the ISO/bark mixture THEN evap the ISO? makes no sense...

 

[Mimosa_Man]

Yes according to the tek you basify the alcohol at the beginning before heating it and before adding MHRB

EDIT** I had to read the tek like ten-twenty times to get it all down it's a bit confusing at first but it's really reall simple when you get down to it. I'll write it out as I understand it :
1. Basify alcohol
2. Heat to near boiling temp
3. Add MHRB cover and stir frequently for 2 hours
4. Strain MHRB save plant matter for further use or throw it away your choice
5. Return liquid to pot and heat to near boiling temp again stirring constantly with a fan blowing over the pan
6. If extracting immediately add naptha until naptha turns clear
7. Seperate naptha
8. If deffating- add to 2x naptha solution of highly acidic water
9 seperate naptha and save for evap or discard
10 add fresh naptha original amount use le to pull from MHRB to the acidic dmt containing water
11 add base to acid water to transfer dmt back to naptha
12 seperate and freeze precip

Hope this was helpful

 

[magic9]

nevermind i get it. poorly placed sentence explaining the tek.. I dont understand why this tek isnt done even on small extractions.. it seems fast and simple with all teh benefits of store-able dmt.

Although it doesnt sound nearly as fun and precise as jorkests D-limo/FASI method .


EDIT: store-able DMT in unrefined form i guess isnt as nice as refined DMT-Fumarate which stores for a long time.

 

[Mimosa_Man]

It's in this paragraph at the end of the tek

"There are two ways to proceed with this operation. 1. The alcohol is made basic at the start of the operation. This yeilds a freebase cake. If performing a traditional nps defat, then you may want to go with option 2. Acidify the alcohol from the very start. This yeilds a salted cake ready for an NPS defat. Basification of the alcohol at the start seems to be the best way to go. The yeilds and results mentioned above , the "steep" that pulls 90% + was with basic alcohol. An acidic phase was not tested quantitively (sp)? It should be just as effective however the steep time may need to be somewhat increased."

 

[magic9]

oooh ya i havnt finished reading

 

[Mimosa_Man]

oooh ya i havnt finished reading

Facepalm

 

[magic9]

have you already started this process?

 

[Mimosa_Man]

No I'm still gathering necessary supplies and continuing research. I want everything to go as perfectly as possible. I'd say I should be ready for my first extraction attempt in 2-3 weeks.

 

[magic9]

hm ive never done this tek but it does sound doable... BUT i would recommend maybe just a basic STB instead. for instance:

i just combine 1200mL of water + 100g powdered bark + 40g of lye, set in a hot water bath making sure the jar of solution is heated for 30mins or more. THen pull with naphtha 4 times @ 150mL each.


This has given me 1.5%-2.2% yields and its super simple.