Ayahuasca and Parkinson's Disease

[Harlequin]

Someone near me has developed Parkinson's Disease, and having read:

Banisteriopsis caapi, a Forgotten Potential Therapy for Parkinson's Disease?

Banisteriopsis caapi, a Forgotten Potential Therapy for Parkinson's Disease? - PMC

Banisteriopsis caapi, a liana indigenous to the Amazon basin with metagnomigenic properties and possible anti‐depressant effects is one of the natural sources of harmala alkaloids. A summary of early trials with extracts of Banisteriopsis caapi and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I was wondering if anyone here knew of any cases about people getting relief from PD symptoms with the use of Aya, Rue, or perhaps some other Teacher Plant or other resource, not found in regular western medicine?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Nydex]

I personally don't know about Aya's effectiveness in alleviating PD's symptoms, but I have seen plenty a video on the internet of people (and dogs!) getting tremendous symptom relief by ingesting full-spectrum CBD oil. Perhaps it's worth exploring this pathway with the person's doctor and giving it a try.

Prayers that they get better, or at least not get worse.

 

[Varallo]

I’m really sorry to hear about your friend, it’s understandable to look beyond conventional options for relief.

That said, I read the paper its an historical review on harmalas and Parkinson’s, It talks about some early 20th-century trials using harmine which showed brief motor improvements in some PD patients. However, from what I read, the effects were inconsistent, short-lived, and sometimes even worsened tremors. Based upon these findings I would say that harmalas don’t have any significant effects on the symptoms, there is no data on progression. So the short answer would be that harmalas are not useful decreasing the symptoms. Next to this there is no evidence that any other non western medicine has any effect whatsoever. The race for a cure or treatment of symptoms has been going on for decades and most claims from gurus and natural medicine experts have been proven false many times over.

Wishing you and your friend strength, much love.

 

[Harlequin]

Thanks for all the inputs. I wasn't expecting nothing miraculous from this post, although I'm well sure some members are very experient, and who knows what they might know, or share?

Nydex: the patient is an older person, and although the person has been trying things she wouldn't usually, for some reason beyond my comprehension, the awesome Cannabis Teacher, sometimes is not very well accepted by some people, from social programming and preconcepts, I believe, despite all the potential, and the piling researches. That would have been the first kind of medication I'd like to see this person try as well.
I've been trying to get this person to try some CBD, or perhaps some other cannabis product. I believe doctors are more skeptical and pragmatistic than regular patients, for they've already studied the whole thing. These patients, with time, become more and more closed to trying new therapies that could help (perhaps not cure, but to help out is already a big something). To cure it would be difficult, I know, but just to up the quality of life a little bit, and bring more comfort to this person would be a big victory

Varallo: I'm not talking just harmine over here, I would really like to try both, some Rue, and some Caupuri (for THH), as well as some Cannabis medicine, if the patient would accept, for there's nothing to lose by trying that, OFC, taking any possible interactions in account.

-> Besides these, there's another Ally, whose been asking to help. Don't ask me why, but the San Pedro spirit wants to try to heal this person. Does anyone sees any reason not to try something very light at first, just to see how the movements come out?

Thanks you all so much.

 

[Nydex]

Indeed, sometimes getting through with these ideas can be difficult. In any case, I really hope if you manage to get them to ingest some CBD that it helps improve their QoL.

 

[Harlequin]

Thanks a lot Nydex. I totally agree.
Lets plant the seed, and hope for it to germinate, in the patient's mind.
Thank you very much.

 

[premeditated]

Someone near me has developed Parkinson's Disease, and having read:

Banisteriopsis caapi, a Forgotten Potential Therapy for Parkinson's Disease?

Banisteriopsis caapi, a Forgotten Potential Therapy for Parkinson's Disease? - PMC

Banisteriopsis caapi, a liana indigenous to the Amazon basin with metagnomigenic properties and possible anti‐depressant effects is one of the natural sources of harmala alkaloids. A summary of early trials with extracts of Banisteriopsis caapi and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I was wondering if anyone here knew of any cases about people getting relief from PD symptoms with the use of Aya, Rue, or perhaps some other Teacher Plant or other resource, not found in regular western medicine?

Thanks in advance.

Acupuncture?

 

[Harlequin]

Very interesting hint, pre! Now you got me thinking about a more holistical treatment.
I think It would be very fine, if the patient would agree to try things it wouldn't usually, like some acupunture, perhaps also some kind of massages, some Pilates and/or hydrotherapy, with a nutritionist and doctor supervisions OFC, and perhaps some plant medicine along with it.
Even western techs are interesting to know about, although I'm mostly looking for the non orthodox treatments, for I believe most common treatments were already tried, like anti-PD meds, Levodopa, and the like. Most Doctors also seem very limited in their knowledge, in this particular region, which doesn't helps out, also for often they're negatively biased, and tend to overlook treatments, and to try to get the patients conform with the issue, which is a very bad influence, from my point of view.
Don't get me wrong, for me its easy and simple to look for another doctor, but many people get stuck in their own capacity to conform themselves with bad things.
There might be some psychological vectors as well to address, indeed.
Very cool, thanks.

 

[shroombee]

Some of the more effective practices are Rock Steady Boxing, zone 4 cardio for 30 minutes a few times a week, and brisk walking. Get a treadmill and hook a safety harness to the ceiling if falling is a concern. Also, try microdosing psilocybin. It alleviates symptoms in some people, and some believe that it can reduce the buildup of tolerance to Carbidopa/Levodopa. Look into DOPA-Macuna rather than Carbidopa/Levodopa, or at least keep the CL dose low and augment with Macuna. Keto has shown some promise among those who believe Parkinson’s is a metabolic disease. Search for a doctor who is open to alternative therapies. Most western-trained doctors will only want to prescribe pharmaceuticals - that’s all they know.

 

[premeditated]

Very interesting hint, pre! Now you got me thinking about a more holistical treatment.
I think It would be very fine, if the patient would agree to try things it wouldn't usually, like some acupunture, perhaps also some kind of massages, some Pilates and/or hydrotherapy, with a nutritionist and doctor supervisions OFC, and perhaps some plant medicine along with it.
Even western techs are interesting to know about, although I'm mostly looking for the non orthodox treatments, for I believe most common treatments were already tried, like anti-PD meds, Levodopa, and the like. Most Doctors also seem very limited in their knowledge, in this particular region, which doesn't helps out, also for often they're negatively biased, and tend to overlook treatments, and to try to get the patients conform with the issue, which is a very bad influence, from my point of view.
Don't get me wrong, for me its easy and simple to look for another doctor, but many people get stuck in their own capacity to conform themselves with bad things.
There might be some psychological vectors as well to address, indeed.
Very cool, thanks.

With all due respect I'm not comparing injuries or diseases. I broke both my legs in a car wreck and live with excruciating sciatica nerve pain. Abused drugs in my 20s causing me to shake noticeably along with major anxiety. Acupuncture twice a week for 3 months improved my symptoms drastically.

 

[Harlequin]

Some of the more effective practices are Rock Steady Boxing, zone 4 cardio for 30 minutes a few times a week, and brisk walking. Get a treadmill and hook a safety harness to the ceiling if falling is a concern. Also, try microdosing psilocybin. It alleviates symptoms in some people, and some believe that it can reduce the buildup of tolerance to Carbidopa/Levodopa. Look into DOPA-Macuna rather than Carbidopa/Levodopa, or at least keep the CL dose low and augment with Macuna. Keto has shown some promise among those who believe Parkinson’s is a metabolic disease. Search for a doctor who is open to alternative therapies. Most western-trained doctors will only want to prescribe pharmaceuticals - that’s all they know.

Thats exactly my complaint about most doctors and their formation in the west. Its all pharmacotherapy, almost exclusively.
Patient is on Levodopa, but you mentioned Mucuna, is it Mucuna pruriens? Because if yes, than I think I may have some beans over here already.
What do you mean by Keto? A ketogenic diet?
Thank you so much, shroombee!

 

[Harlequin]

With all due respect I'm not comparing injuries or diseases. I broke both my legs in a car wreck and live with excruciating sciatica nerve pain. Abused drugs in my 20s causing me to shake noticeably along with major anxiety. Acupuncture twice a week for 3 months improved my symptoms drastically.

Wow, your acupunturist must be someone with extraordinary hability, I've already had many sessions myself, and indeed, they managed to relief my pains, although it didn't really adderss the root of the issue, I realize it is powerful against pains and perhaps even inflamation.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure I've already been on the hands of good acupunturists, but I don't think these practitioners are at the same level as yours, and that would be probably hard to find over here. Although I am a very skeptical Ayahuasquero (LOL, if thats possible?), I understand the power of acupunture, but perhaps not as well as you do with your experience. I would like to get some of that benefit for myself if possible, too. I'll be on the lookout, antennas up, for extraordinary acupunturists.

The last one I've been to, had a very heavy atmosphere in the clinic, very well located, it was a pain clinic, with a handful of doctors doing acupunture, ketamine, and consultations, it took me a while to understand why everytime I get in the waiting room, I feel like all those patients were angry, and indeed they were. A few more sessions, the patients start to talk in the waiting room, and I found, like with me, the doctors left patients unattended, without prescriptions for continuous use medications, so no wonder why those people were angry, at a certain point, I knew it was going to happen to me, I remember when I went there for the last time, and the doctor (who doesn't likes to get questions, he demands blind faith), started to talk about "my karma", in order to justify his poor practices, I had to never return. There were some other contras too.
Is it just me, or is there some kind of a standard "via crucis" for most people in the (ever) developing countries? Or is it everywhere?

 

[premeditated]

That's a tough contradiction of an atmosphere. I really feel for mental health employees bc they are expected to be groovy at all times...while patients are damn near at Rock bottom vibing super low. They should always have separate facilities for meds. It's inevitable for the energy to be thrown off when ppl are mentally struggling. Sorry for your experience...that's why when I'm in a high vibrational time in my life I'm shining ️ 25/8. For starters I know the light could be dimmed with one bad decision. Secondly when you are gifted the ability to be empathetic it's duty to try and raise the vibration in every situation that we can. Great acupuncture paired with deep intentional meditation can do the unspoken. Truly blessed to have had that experience.

 

[Harlequin]

Hello fellows, I just wanted to bring in a tiny little Flash of Light for those who may struggle with PD or who happen to know or care for someone in that situation.
Having planted the seed of the idea (about trying a Cannabis based medication) in the mind of the patient, all with much care, for its a sensitive substrate. The patient is very sensitive to all drugs and substances. Therefore, I've aimed, for 10% of the smallest therapeutical dose, for someone with a somewhat smaller weigh than the patient, for a strong experience would most likely scare the patient away, so this is to be in the microdosage range, not to be felt, just like a homeopathy, just something for the system to begin to assimilate a new remedy, to take down only the first domino of a long dominos line.
The patient was struggling with the walking, before getting to the restaurant, it was a hotter day, and that is a trigger for dizzyness and poor walking. I noticed that in this scenery, the patient seems to become internally agitated and it therefore exacerbates the losing of control of movements. So, we calm down in a very usual manner, breathe, and go, I think I had to take the patient by the arm a little while, with a little cost, we get inside the restaurant.
Fast forward - I offer the patient a tiny bit of my medicated food, just that tiny little microdose, expecting nothing yet.
Patient eats it, and barely feels any different taste. We go on with our lunch, and like one hour later or so, when we go out, its even hotter, the sun is further up, but guess what?
Someone is walking, cane up!!! Patient who was struggling to walk before the lunch, managed to walk all the way to the car, without using the crutch at all, and that was on a microdose first experience, although the patients chemistry certainly has a lot to do with it (at least I believe so).
The patient had a different day, noticeably more active, made more exercise naturally, but we havent yet made a proper debriefing.
For the little I saw, I am well convinced there is a great potential for Parkinson's Disease patients, with the right approach, and the right actives, and a lot of patience and care, it is possible to bring these persons a new level of quality of life, and that will have positive consequences in their physical and mental health.
I want to thank everyone who posted in here for the great vibes!
Take good care of your PD fellow patients, there is much Hope, for it Works. And the medicine is actually very powerful, these people are often very sensitive, we need to take that in consideration. Its very easy to scare them away with too high of a dosage, specially for the ones who are afraid of 'tripping', which is common among the elderly.

 

[shroombee]

Thats exactly my complaint about most doctors and their formation in the west. Its all pharmacotherapy, almost exclusively.
Patient is on Levodopa, but you mentioned Mucuna, is it Mucuna pruriens? Because if yes, than I think I may have some beans over here already.
What do you mean by Keto? A ketogenic diet?
Thank you so much, shroombee!

Yes, to both of your questions: Mucuna pruriens and ketogenic diet. I’m not sure if there’s a distinction between Mucuna pruriens and Dopa Mucuna. I’d consider a standardized extract rather than beans, as the extract can directly replace some of the dosage C/L. There’s a Facebook group “Parkinson’s Alternative Healing” that you might want to check out. Having worked with someone with Parkinson's disease (PD) for the past few years, the most important principle is to stay positive and keep trying new things. What works for one person doesn’t work for someone else, and vice versa. And practices that didn’t work in the past might work in the future, and vice versa.

 

[Harlequin]

Thanks, Shroombee, for sharing your experience.
Geez, I've been avoiding FB for a while, not sure if I can remember my pass! Would you have any PDFs, or other links on the subject?
I need to research more on the Keto diet, although, I figure its not something that can be properly done without the help of a professional nutritionist. I got to read a bit on the Mucuna pruriens beans, it sounds interesting, I only got a handful, but it sure is interesting, we'll be looking one thing at a time, so as to know what really brings benfits.

Just a tiny update:
After only a few sessions of homeopathic dosage, the patient has reported a remarked increase in "good" activeness, we increased it to twice a week instead of just once, and the patient which was very skeptic at first, wants to try it in a regular fashion way.
I couldn't be happier for the patient's wish, which we'll try our best to make happen.



Har

 

[Jamie01]

Salvinorin A I believe is now thought to bind to the D2 receptor eith stinger affinity than it has for kappa. There has been some speculation about use for Parkinson’s but I think it’s early in that research.