Ayahuasca dosage with chacruna and chaliponga?

[Existender]

I would be very appreciative for some advice on dosage. I have some of Maya's shredded white caapi and some chaliponga. I haven't had chaliponga before.

I also have a 50g brew of Maya's chacruna without ayahuasca in the freezer leftover from the last drink of 50g caapi with 50g chacruna. That brew was a weak one. I purged hard after quite some wait but there was little if any light. So little that the visions could have been from my mind's eye or from the caapi, although they did take on DMT forms however faint. Maybe there wasn't enough DMT in the chacruna brew to get threshold effects or maybe the caapi was weak or not enough. I don't know which.

I would like to try out the chaliponga. I am also wondering about adding the leftover chacruna brew. I would like to have visions and do not want another drink without visions, but also don't think I want an overly strong drink involving ego death or thinking I'm dying or dead.

Should I add the leftover chacruna brew to my planned ayahuasca and chaliponga brew or not? I'm not sure how much stronger that will make the experience. I'm wondering if it would be better to use only chaliponga to build a clear relationship with that plant alone first before mixing her with chacruna. But on the other hand quality of experience is most imortant. Also I'd quite like to use up the chacruna because it has been in the freezer for many months now. I can't decide! In either case what dose of chaliponga and caapi would you recommend? Thanks. Sorry if I'm overthinking here. I don't have many opportunities for drinking ayahuasca, so I'd like to get this as right as possible.

 

[Existender]

Could anybody advise me please? I was thinking 50g caapi, with 5g chaliponga, plus the 50g chacruna brew from my visionless last attempt.

Does this sound ok for what I'm looking for? Or will it be too strong if it turns out the 50g chacruna is actually potent if it was actually the caapi that was weak last time? Or too weak if the 50g chacruna is weak as suspected so there is only 5g chaliponga for light? This is what I have available: 100g white caapi reducing now, 25g chaliponga reducing too, the 50g chacruna brew in the freezer that is suspected to be weak. I'm planning on journeying tonight and have fasted since eating rice at midday (flavoured with turmeric, star anise, cardamon, olive oil and salt). No breakfast.

 

[Existender]

The new caapi brew is a different batch from the same supplier, not the same batch as the stuff from my last experience.

 

[gammagore]

Try this, brew up say 100gram of the vine, 50gr of the chacruna and like 5gr chali. All separate.

Take half of the caapi brew with the chacruna, see how that goes, if you arent where you want to be then sip on some more caapi and some of the chali, see where that takes you. Chali does seem to have that looping effect, so go easy on it when working with these plants for the first time, baby steps

Depending on the quality and brewing method the plant, strength can vary.

Safe journey's.

 

[Existender]

That's a really good idea, thanks. I postponed last night and I've been fasting today ready for tonight instead.

How long do you think I should I wait before topping up, I mean how long until it will be evident that it's a weak brew?

If topping up by sipping once fully inhibited, how long does it take until the topup effects are apparent? So one knows when to stop sipping.

 

[picatris]

That's a really good idea, thanks. I postponed last night and I've been fasting today ready for tonight instead.

How long do you think I should I wait before topping up, I mean how long until it will be evident that it's a weak brew?

If topping up by sipping once fully inhibited, how long does it take until the topup effects are apparent? So one knows when to stop sipping.

gammagore's suggestion is a solid one, although I myself would be tripping balls on 100 g of good white caapi alone!
All my chaliponga have been very strong and 4 grams are generally enough.

You should be tripping strongly after 1 and half hours. That's how much I would wait before topping up if nothing happens. Also I would start with the chaliponga as it is probably more reliable than chacruna

 

[Existender]

Thanks for the advice. No joy unfortunately. I drank 50g caapi first, and I could tell there was no way I would be able to drink any more because the taste is so vomit-inducing. After 5 minutes of getting ready to drink more awful tasting stuff I started drinking the chacruna. Only managed to drink half before I knew I would throw up after just one more sip. So, I drank half the chaliponga, which tasted less bad especially with my fingers over my nose. The chaliponga made me feel ill and sad. Not a nice feeling, a strange uncomfortable body load. I purged after what felt like up to half an hour, which felt horrible when not in a visionary state. I then drank the rest of the chaliponga, and purged about half an hour or more afterwards. Had the slightest visions that were just a little more than mind's eye at the peak. I have to admit it was disappointing and did not feel spiritual.

I wonder if the stuff tastes better if properly filtered. And I don't understand why it keeps failing... I am brewing according to instructions, on the lowest simmer possible, without ever boiling, using a couple of spoons of vinegar per wash.

If I ever do try again, I'm going to have to reduce it down to just a couple of shot glasses or however small an amount is possible so drinking it isn't such a mission. This time round I drank half a pint of caapi, half a pint of chacruna and half a pint of chaliponga.

I've had mimosa hostilis with syrian rue before and it's worked well. But still no joy with ayahuasca. I'm not sure it's worth trying again, because it really feels like self-flagellation. I didn't learn anything, I just wallowed in sorrow about problems that I was already aware of. Maybe I've learnt all I can already from my first expoeriences, I don't know.