Ayahuasca first time alone during night time in a Forest.

[greenmoss]

Hi all,

I plan on taking Ayahuasca alone in a small forest during night time.

Of course, there's a high chance it could turn out be like the video below but a 100 times worse...

Anyway, I don't know much about the plants, but from what I read, I would take Mimosa tenuiflora or Acacia Confusa with Syrian Rue.


Also, after I wrote about the plants I looked at the music video I had in the background and it showed loads of ants, it instantly reminded me of this

So I guess, maybe that would more than likely happen?


But it is OK? As in, I'm really a looser crack head and wanting a 'rush' from drugs, so if I really want the drug effects, then I have to take the Ayahuasca and get my ass kicked. Also of course the dosage would not be super high, but I would take whatever the average is.

 

[universecannon]

I definitely would never recommend taking it alone at night in the forest for your first time. Not to mention aya tends to be much more physically incapacitating/nauseating than other psychedelics.

 

[greenmoss]

I definitely would never recommend taking it alone at night in the forest for your first time. Not to mention aya tends to be much more physically incapacitating/nauseating than other psychedelics.

Well, the whole point of it is to really get over myself, and well have a 'bad trip'.
I went there to the small forest, and it was scary in a way just looking at a big spider, and well I guess it will clearly when I take aya there, there would be millions of spiders,ants going all over my body attacking me,etc... And that's it, I just have to do it.

 

[TGO]

Ayahuasca is so much more than "just a drug" man... Be careful.

Most people recommend a sitter for your first time (or all times for that matter) and since you said you don't know much about these plants, why not do a little research...? If you take enough you will be plastered to the ground, hardly able to move. Take some blankets/pillows/whatever to make yourself as comfortable as possible. That is key. Good luck and be safe.

 

[pitubo]

If I understand you correctly, you are proposing to self-administer a mind altering substance that you are not familiar with, dosing an amount that you are not sure of, in an environment that stirs up fears with you.

That sounds not entirely prudent to me.

I would advise you to not rush the experience. Have some patience and learn what is right for you by building up the dose over the course of a few tries. Shulgin described his protocol where he started from almost certainly sub-threshold amounts and then working up to a ++++ experience.

Consider having a trip sitter with you, especially when it is the first time and you want to do this in a place that harbors potential threats to your well-being.

In any case, be sure to bring a very warm blanket. A warm blanket is standard for me even when doing pharma in a heated room.

 

[greenmoss]

Hey,

Thanks for the replies, yes of course its more than a drug, the most powerful thing.

I am taking it and going to have a bad trip. I know I will have a 'bad experience', but it is needed. And people say that its not really a bad experience, more like to learn about it.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Ayahuasca will deliver that purge you want, if that is what you are referring to in terms of negative onset. Really do think through what may happen, or whether you really do know what you are dealing with. Especially for the first time can be daunting. Being alone in a forest at night with most entheogens can be something entirely different than what you previous feel to be completely right before-hand. Directly facing many aspects of yourself can be confusing and disorienting without another good friend/guardian around, and as already said, the experience can be easier to navigate when one is completely comfortable and prepared.

If you are wanting to improve yourself, then this is certainly one way of going about it. I have some experience being alone at night in forests with entheogens and it's a process, I'll say that. The purpose of most entheogens is to alter the psyche and reset some avenues of yourself you may have missed before. At least that's one way of looking at psychedelics. Some of which produce visions nobody particularly enjoys seeing. Formulating some integration is important as it could be one of the most inspiring/powerful events in your life. Seriously take into consideration the possibilities presented here. In the end, it's how you feel. Choose wisely.

Of course, there's a high chance it could turn out be like the video below but a 100 times worse...

If this is where the idea came from I'd err on the side of caution. Somewhere in your mind, you now have a memory of watching videos on bad trips in forests at night. :?

 

[DeltaSpice]

I think you should be careful of what you wish for.
Why do you think it will be bad?

I have vaped at night in the woods. It was raining :/

 

[universecannon]

Hey,

Thanks for the replies, yes of course its more than a drug, the most powerful thing.

I am taking it and going to have a bad trip. I know I will have a 'bad experience', but it is needed. And people say that its not really a bad experience, more like to learn about it.

Sure you can learn a lot from rough experiences, but there can be trainwreck trips that are more like a step backwards rather than forwards. Aiming for a rough experience is just a bad idea all around in my opinion, and not at all necessary because they can come regardless. You want the set/setting to be as optimal as you can. In my opinion taking ayahuasca alone at night in the woods for your first time, without being familiar with dosage and aiming for a bad trip, is dangerous and unnecessary.

You can have just as educational an experience in your own bed.

You came here asking a forum of people who have a lot of experience for advice, I really hope you take it my friend

If I understand you correctly, you are proposing to self-administer a mind altering substance that you are not familiar with, dosing an amount that you are not sure of, in an environment that stirs up fears with you.

That sounds not entirely prudent to me.

I would advise you to not rush the experience. Have some patience and learn what is right for you by building up the dose over the course of a few tries. Shulgin described his protocol where he started from almost certainly sub-threshold amounts and then working up to a ++++ experience.

Consider having a trip sitter with you, especially when it is the first time and you want to do this in a place that harbors potential threats to your well-being.

In any case, be sure to bring a very warm blanket. A warm blanket is standard for me even when doing pharma in a heated room.

^

 

[travsha]

Ayahuasca is actually the name of a vine which you are not including in your brew (you are using rue instead), so I dont know if the name is very fitting....

That being said - doing this alone in the woods at night for your first time with the intention of having a bad trip sounds like a horrible and dangerous idea. There is a real danger of hurting yourself - emotionally, mentally, and even physically if you go wild or get lost in the woods at night. A house would be safer or at least bring a sitter along. This is not a good way to fix yourself unless you take proper precautions - if you are not being responsible and safe then more likely you will just make yourself worse.

Ayahuasca is not a magic pill that fixes all your problems. When used responsibly and respectfully it can be a tool to help you fix yourself, but when used unresponsively it can actually be harmful in a number of ways (mostly psychological and emotional).

Please be careful and take the time to create a safe and supportive setting for yourself. Also - this plant mixture is not like other psychedelics. Work your way up slowly and be careful and respectful.

If you really want a healing experience by yourself in the woods I would recommend a large dose of San Pedro during the day. Just as healing in my experience, but less difficult to work with and easier to do on your own safely. If you are set on Ayahuasca then do it at home or get a sitter you trust.

 

[Strigiform]

I am taking it and going to have a bad trip. I know I will have a 'bad experience', but it is needed. And people say [who?] that its not really a bad experience, more like to learn about it.

Needed? Could you explain what you mean?

What you're proposing to do is obviously dangerous; you are running the risk of injuring yourself, being traumatized by the experience, or dying in the woods. Why do you want to do that?

 

[FLeP]

One of the things I love about DMT is that because green moss badly wants a harsh, soul rending experience it will probably give him a huge dose of love and light. What he/she probably really actually needs.

Greenmoss, please be careful. DMT will almost never give you what you want or expect from it. It is one of the greatest mysteries known to man and should be treated with respect. Keep your dose reasonable and some healing will come your way. IMHO it is best to make this healing as available to you as possible. This means taking your dose somewhere predictable and comfortable to you. You may undergo a very demanding experience so there is no need to add additional discomfort. DMT and the harmalas will put you far enough from civilization all on their own.

 

[3rdI]

good lord theres some ridiculousness around here at the moment.

this is a stupid idea, you have no idea what you are doing or what you are dealing with and if you proceed this could end very very badly and could reflect poorly on yourself and the entire community. If you dont care about yourself please have some consideration for the community, we dont need more stories in the media with headlines of "X takes killer hallucinogenin the woods and is impaled on a tree"

you can quite easily get destroyed by Aya/Pharma/Ana at home with less physical risk.

If you want to have a strong, "bad trip" please do it in as safe a manor as possible.

do you realise what can happen after a "bad trip" on this stuff? its not always going to leave you fresh and rosey the next day, its probably not going to sort out your problems but it could very well leave you in a worse position than you are in at the moment.

people who get the best from these substances build a relationship with them and work through their problems. You can get just as much, if not more, from being craddled in the arms of existance as you can from it repeatedly stamping on your head.

please pay attention to people who know what there talking about.

 

[DoingKermit]

I am so glad there is this forum, as you really need to think about what you are doing. I just want to reiterate what others are saying for your own safety.... do not jump into this without doing a LOT of research. DMT in general can pull you apart in the most terrifying way possible. It definitely can give you what you are looking for in terms of healing, but you are approaching it in a very rushed and reckless manner IMO. Be patient and take time to learn a bit more about it, as the rewards will be much greater and risk of hurting yourself reduced.

Good luck.

 

[Wolfnippletip]

Yeah, well I did LSD at Church Camp, and this doesn't seem like near as good an idea. Here's hoping it backfires on you and you find Benevolent Wood Faeries who feed you honeyed crumpets and mead.

 

[steppa]

greenmoss,

better refrain from this. Really.

Gather some experience in a safe environment. Reflect those experiences. Then think this through again.

If you then still think you need to do it...it would still be dumb, but at least you'd have a slight idea of what this will do to you and you'd be able to prepare yourself better.

Better safe than sorry. :thumb_up:

 

[greenmoss]

Hey all,

Thanks all for the great replies.

What about this?:
I take it in small amounts first in a tent.

But the main plan is to inject it, taking so much that I would take more than the Shamans in South America. Not too much to reach anything. But taking so much of it that I will never want to go near drugs again. I got to do this, it will be super fun before hand. After it not so good.

I know this will indeed scar me for life, but its I guess I just have to try it. No disrespect to the plant, as indeed I will be injecting 'DMT', not actual aya.

 

[steppa]

Honestly...

if you want the experience to be helpful in any way, and I really mean helpful by helping clearing things up instead of scarring yourself to death and with the possibility of ending up traumatized for life you should at least consider what folks on here try to tell you.

Many are experienced psychonauts who, in opposite to you, KNOW what they are talking about. You don't know what you are talking about because you didn't experience it.

Man...please, do not do overly stupid stuff.

 

[pitubo]

Hi greenmoss,

This time I will not be so diplomatic. But sincere nevertheless.

Injecting dmt is unsafe, especially when not using highly purified dmt (there are no teks here on how to do that, nor do you or I or anyone here have the materials for it) and sterile equipment and procedures.

Injecting dmt alone without supervision in a tent in the forest is highly dangerous. How would you ensure sterile operation? What if the dmt takes full on action while the needle is still stuck in a vein and you lose practical awareness and start rolling and trashing frantically?

Doing the above and administrating amounts "more than Shamans in South America" is epic stupidity. It scores 10 out of 10 on the scale of Moron.

What you are proposing is against all the rules of the forum, too. But I am much more concerned with your well-being than mere rules (the rules are there for our well-being above all btw.)

 

[pitubo]

BTW, are you just trolling? That would explain a lot.