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Ayahuasca with pure DMT

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Spira

Spira

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After reading on the forums and a recent thread I started, I learned that P. Viridis is not that powerful. So I was wondering if, along with Caapi and P. Viridis, SWIM could take pure DMT ONLY IF SWIM did not reach desired effects. SWIM does not have it yet, but he would have the DMT in a tincture form (after following q21q21's tek). Would it be better to smoke or ingest? If so, does the dosing change at all? Again, I want to reiterate, this is a hypothetical question -- SWIM is not trying to get as 'high' as possible, but is looking for solutions after learning of the (in)potency of Chacruna.
 
As long as you're gonna have "pure" DMT, if you want my opinion, I would simply smoke it. Also bear in mind that if you don't reach the desired effects after ingesting it, to make sure you've waited at least 2 hours, cause you never know how it can sneak up on you when you ingest it, and likewise after it's kicked in, and you think that things are over, that many people, myself included, have found that it can sneak back up on you when you think all's said and done, more powerful than before. I thought I would like the slow come-up, but to me it can be ominous and unsettling as opposed to that instant rush from smoking where you're up and running before you have time to worry
 
yep, like the above poster said, be careful not ingesting more before enough time has passed to make sure you wont suddenly get the effects of the first dosage just as soon as you ingest the second one.

Also, I dont know where you heard but P. viridis isnt necessarily weak. I have had plenty of viridis ayahuasca that has taken me very very far. I guess it depends on batch, so the best would be to start low when trying a new batch, and raise the dosage in subsequent sessions to find your ideal dosage, instead of redosing in the same session. You can do that, yes, but I think it wont be as effective because maybe also by the time you take the second dmt dosage, some of the MAO is active again. It can work though. Also you can ingest the next dosage of DMT also with harmalas (many typical ayahuasca ceremonies are composed of more than one dosage spread appart around 3 or so hours from each other)

Another possibility is having your loaded genie/bong/machine with some dmt, and if after a couple of hours you didnt reach the desired level, you can smoke some dmt. With the oral MAOI and the small amount of dmt already active in your system, the vaporized trip is likely to be very profound.
 
Thanks for the advice. Since the Caapi acts as an MAOI, would the duration of the effects from smoking increase significantly? Would one get the same effects, if for example, he were to dilute the tincture in water and drink it?
 
gobalswg said:
As long as you're gonna have "pure" DMT, if you want my opinion, I would simply smoke it.
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Notice the quotes on "pure" dmt. I think there is a subtlety here the OP won't get. Technically, you're not supposed to ingest "pure", that is, freebase dmt or it will make you sick. But if you mix the freebase dmt with a small amount of water with vitamin c tabs dissolved in it, and let that sit for an hour, you can take that orally and have a longer lasting trip. I don't know why anyone would smoke dmt unless they only want it to last a short time.
 
yeah the duration might increase, but definitely not as long as an oral trip. Maybe instead of 10 minutes experience with another 5-10 minutes come down, it might be 15-20 mins experience with another 15-20 mins comedown (just an estimate, it depends a lot on how much MAOI is in your system, on your own sensitivity and metabolism, etc)
 
Thank you all. Is there a way to have a long experience that is not ayahuasca? Would that be pharmahuasca?
 
Spira said:
Thank you all. Is there a way to have a long experience that is not ayahuasca? Would that be pharmahuasca?
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yes, pharmahuasca just means you ingest extracted dmt and maoi, minus the stomach upsetting plant matter.
 
Spira said:
How long do the effects last usually?
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varies from person to person. For me a peak of 2-3 hours. Followed by 3 or 4 more hours of great euphoria and milder psychedelic effects. Total time 5-8 hours.
 
endlessness said:
for me its 2-3 hours total, with another hour of very light comedown mental brightness.. Im one of the fast metabolizers...
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have you ever tried using a large amount of harmalas for oral use? I've noticed that if I use a big dose of harmala 20 mins before dmt, then even as little as 20mg dmt is enough to all but incapacitate me for a while (suggesting that is as much dmt as I can take without being KO'd)
 
I didnt notice much difference in duration from 220mg harmine (my usual pharma MAOI dosage) to 300mg harmine+harmaline mix (which I tried twice), but to be honest they were sort of distant from each other in time so I cant establish an absolute conclusion yet that more harmalas definitely doesnt affect the duration significantly for me. When I get back home in september I'll do more experiments and post here.

edit: yeah with ayahuasca I can get duration longer only by redosing, as in typical ceremonies...
 
My ayahuasca trip was a full 8 hours from the time of noticeable effects to completely down (bearing in mind the most intense part was probably around 7.5 hours after the first noticeable effects) but then again it takes me longer to come down from practically everything as compared with my friends. One time after an 11 hour acid trip, I was still going hard, went to sleep, woke up 8 hours later and was tripping just as hard. Now that was kinda bizarre.
 
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