Ayahuasca without brewing

[The Unknowing]

Hi all,

Last night I decided to have some ACRB Ayahuasca with Peganum Harmala WITHOUT brewing for 5+ hours.

I took 3g of Syrian Rue seeds, powderized in a coffee grinder. Mixed this into a small amount of orange juice and gulped it down, followed by another gulp more of just orange juice.
I waited for 15-20 minutes before I felt the rue kick in, then added 5 grams of ACRB (pre-powdered) to a full glass of OJ and drank it. There wasn't really a foul taste at all, in fact, it was kind of like eating incense quite nice.

After an hour and a bit I felt the brew wasn't going to be strong enough, so I drank 4g more ACRB for a total of 9g and waited.

Turned out to be one of the greatest, most loving moments of my life! Very Euphoric.

*As for the nausea, it wasn't noticeably worse than drinking a standard brew and adding egg-whites to remove the tannin. The nausea was present around an hour after having a dose of the ACRB and subsided over 10-30 minutes.
I believe that splitting up the ACRB doses into two definitely reduced nausea and that this method suggests brewing is not necessary.

That is all,
Peace

 

[shanedudddy2]

braver than me, rue tastes foul to me.
Up on my top 3 disgusting substances list
in no particular order
1) Rue
2) Concentrated San Pedro brew.
3) Calea tea

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

So does ACRB have any known toxins? - things that wouldn't come out in a regular brew with water - things that would stay with the bark that would be ingested by simply eating it? Seems unlikely, but I've read somewhere that eating the bark itself is not good for you. I know the tannins can cause issues in the digestive system, and I'm sure wood particles aren't the easiest to digest (but would it just be like insoluble fiber?) - but what else?

I'm all for full spectrum where it's healthy to do so.

No additional nausea is definitely a good start though. Thanks for the report.

 

[The Unknowing]

So does ACRB have any known toxins? - things that wouldn't come out in a regular brew with water - things that would stay with the bark that would be ingested by simply eating it? Seems unlikely, but I've read somewhere that eating the bark itself is not good for you. I know the tannins can cause issues in the digestive system, and I'm sure wood particles aren't the easiest to digest (but would it just be like insoluble fiber?) - but what else?

I'm all for full spectrum where it's healthy to do so.

No additional nausea is definitely a good start though. Thanks for the report.

I doubt there's anything to worry about. It's just tree skin People these days eat worse stuff than plants...(processed stuff)- but I'm not here to lecture you, and I'm no tree expert.

 

[Bancopuma]

Very interesting thanks for sharing! Acacia confusa has a long history of use in traditional medicine, in Taiwan at least, and I believe it is used internally for stomach upsets. So I don't think it should pose much of a risk at the required doses. A very different plant, but iboga is ingested in the form of root bark and has a long history of use, your body can't digest it but not much of an issue as you usually purge anyway, while absorbing the active alkaloids.

On the rue front, rue tea and powdered rue seeds mixed and gulped down with OJ are two different kettles of fish..

 

[The Unknowing]

On the rue front, rue tea and powdered rue seeds mixed and gulped down with OJ are two different kettles of fish..

Why is that? I've been taking some Chinese medicine that tastes just as bad as rue so I had no problem pouring it down my throat. Is it because of the nausea? Because I experienced none from it.

 

[spinCycle]

I like this idea simply because I tend to puke rather rapidly after drinking the brew and so far have had trouble keeping it down long enough to absorb all of the goods.

I've had good luck washing down dried cactus powder in a similar fashion though, so I am intrigued by this idea. :thumb_up:

 

[The Unknowing]

I like this idea simply because I tend to puke rather rapidly after drinking the brew and so far have had trouble keeping it down long enough to absorb all of the goods.

I've had good luck washing down dried cactus powder in a similar fashion though, so I am intrigued by this idea. :thumb_up:

I strongly recommend giving it a go! Drinking warm ayahuasca brew is nasty.

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

I find loading up a pipe of Datura seeds and heavily mouthsmoking it like pipe tobacco deadens the mouth, throat and sense of smell and taste enough that it's not trouble at all drinking even a foul brew.

DON'T inhale though... two puffs in the throat and mouth is enough to deaden the feeling in a comfortable way and loosen one up a little, but not anything else. Pulling that crap into your lungs could be really unpleasant however.

 

[Orion]

That's a novel way to get your daily fibre :thumb_up:

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

I doubt there's anything to worry about. It's just tree skin People these days eat worse stuff than plants...(processed stuff)- but I'm not here to lecture you, and I'm no tree expert.

Ha, well I wouldn't be surprised if some sorts of trees have compounds in the bark that are toxic to humans. Some plants and trees have a wide variety of things within them that it would not be wise to ingest.

That being said though, I doubt whether ACRB has anything like this just like you. Just wanted to see if there was anything I was missing. (like results from bark analyzed for what it contains) Like with rue seeds - there are compounds which are considered toxic, and these are avoided by extracting the harmalas.

Cause you're right, there's a lot of junk and toxins in our own grocery stores - so can't be too careful.

 

[Bancopuma]

So I tried this, and have to say I'm impressed, I got more than I was expecting. I had a positive mindset going into the experience and didn't have any particular expectations, and I was in a cosy, familiar environment. I ingested some full spectrum Syrian rue extract with a little pinch of caapi extract for good measure (in an approximate 3:1 ratio) on an empty stomach. 40 mins later when I could feel the MAOI's beginning to do their thing I ingested 5g of Acacia confusa root bark powder in orange juice. This was interesting to me as my only other experience with confusa was drinking a brew of 5g worth, after taking a dose of 98% pure harmaline. This experience was definitely stronger, with the same dose of confusa used.

It wasn't too much hassle drinking down the powder in the juice, got a bit powdery towards the end. Next time I would try blending it. But it was a lot easier to stomach than drinking a brew in some respects. It didn't take long before I started to feel it. At first I felt a little woozy and a little nauseous, I wasn't quite comfortable but this was to be expected. Some time later I threw up a bit. Then sometime after this I was started to notice mild psychedelic effects manifesting, and I purged, and it was a very deep ayahuasca style purge which was welcomed. It was kinda funny in that the purge tasted of orange juice, so wasn't that bad! Quite different to purging ayahuasca, flavour wise. It got a bit powdery towards the end of the purge but no biggie.

After a very laid back and stress free purge, the experience shifted gears, and I felt very tranquil and at peace, with a subtle grounded euphoria. Colours were saturated and brilliantly vivid. It was interesting looking at things, I could perceive everything with this incredible and refreshing clarity. It's weird as I/we take it as a given that things look 'clear' when we're sober. Yet when I'm in this trance, facilitated by my having ingested endogenous brain compounds, it's like the air is sucked from the space and I can see everything in this high definition sparkling clarity. The afterglow was felt as this subtle but present warm inner glow, felt wholesome and nourishing, I could feel this in my stomach too.

I get the impression if the dosage of confusa had been any higher things would have got deeper and more immersive quickly. But I'm impressed at the level of effects I got from just 5g of confusa ingested as is, and the experience was actually more powerful than when I brewed with the same amount (although the brew was drunk in two halves, the other around an hour after the first and didn't seem to have much effect). This plant is definitely a potent source of DMT, and I get the feeling the NMT is a really interesting addition to the mix.

 

[Legarto Rey]

Older post, but fascinating to those "minimalist" travelers. I'd encourage review of posts by, Hjortron(recreational anahuasca,powdered rue + powdered ACRB, MHRB, Chali) has good info on dosing AND Sabnock who seems to have developed a super approach to extracted rue with finned(egg white cleansed) ACRB tea. A couple of great points advocated by Sabnock include use of Lemon Balm as an adjunct for easing purge and GI distress AND a more extended interval betwixt ingestion of the "force" and the "light"(90min v 15-30min). Subjective experience and pharmocologic rationale support this 90min interval allowing more complete upper GI and hepatic(liver) RIMA effect prior to introducing the "light" carrier. This approach seems to allow more complete inhibition facilitating an enhanced and more TITRATABLE "light" dosing.

For fans of the more Western anahuasca approach to medicine work, these simple suggestions offer promise. I must concur with Sabnock's proclamation, "Lemon Balm is the bomb"! Also, a more patient approach to RIMA(rue or cappi) ingestion with a more leisurely interval 'twixt force/light DOES seem to reduce extreme purging, facilitate the light effect and allow a more predictable experience, physically and metaphysically. Be safe!