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B. Cappi bark to gram conversion for dosage

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TheFly

TheFly

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I had to ask as i can't find the specific question so I'll ask If TheFly has an ounce of caapi whole vine how much of a does would that be? With the assumtion that doses will very by vine to vine but should i figure 1oz of vine = 28g dose? And if im brewing it evape an considerable dosage and should i add more if this is true?
 
a ounce? 28g is not that much..for a full dose i will drink 50-100g.

I would brew all 28g and drink it for a light caapi only experience.
 
Well recommended dosage aside i was trying to question the actual doesage from a 1oz vine. For example would an ounce of vine be equal to a 28g dose or should i expect to add more vine to brew to get a 28g dose?
 
For the sake of simplicity figure 1 gram equals 1 liquid ml after reducing. And no, 28ml is still not really enough to work with.
 
Agave said:
For the sake of simplicity figure 1 gram equals 1 liquid ml after reducing.
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That depends how far you reduce. If you reduce a brew of 50 g down to 50 mL of liquid, then sure... but if you only reduce it down to 200 mL, that figure is way off.


Regarding TheFly's question... I'm not sure I understand. An ounce is an ounce is an ounce. And one ounce is 28 grams (approximately; the precise figure is 28.3495...). So yes, by definition an ounce of vine is a 28 gram "dose"; as others have mentioned, that is below the usual range for caapi dosage. I get the impression that you're trying to ask something else, but I couldn't tease out what that might be.
 
I understand this is hard to take in as my question manifested not to long ago on a whim. My question is this: If I put in 28g of whole vine, heat, simmer, filter, reduce, drink; Is this the 28g dose that is usually referred to in recipes?

My main confusion is that if were technically not using the whole vine after all the that is filtered out so i figure you getting about 50-75% of alkaloids(is that correct, alkaloids?) after all the filters and reduces.

So maybe I'm asking in SWIM's experience whats the percentage of alkaloids from 1oz of vine?
 
I guess I didn't word that real clearly. What I'm saying is that the 1g to 1ml conversion is a simple measurement rule to follow. If I have 100g of vine, I'm going to try to reduce it down to 100 ml of drinkable liquid.

When we speak of grams, it only applies to dry vine material.
 
TheFly said:
I understand this is hard to take in as my question manifested not to long ago on a whim. My question is this: If I put in 28g of whole vine, heat, simmer, filter, reduce, drink; Is this the 28g dose that is usually referred to in recipes?

My main confusion is that if were technically not using the whole vine after all the that is filtered out so i figure you getting about 50-75% of alkaloids(is that correct, alkaloids?) after all the filters and reduces.

So maybe I'm asking in SWIM's experience whats the percentage of alkaloids from 1oz of vine?
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If you don't have "whole vine" it does not matter. 1 gram of material = 1 gram dose, the alkaloid content is distributed relatively evenly throughout the vine, so you are not getting less alkaloids by buying chopped/shredded/powdered vine (and the alkaloid content varies from vine to vine, even amongst vines of the same "subspecies". So, yes, 28g (or an oz) is a 28g dose. However, as people have been saying, 28g is not much to work with...you should start off around ~50g for decent MAO inhibition. Hope that helps, 😉
 
Whole vine, shredded, whatever. It doesn't matter. A gram is a gram.

A 28 gram brew is a brew made from 28 grams of plant material. The implicit assumption of course is that your brewing technique is sufficient to extract the majority of the harmalas. If your technique is insufficient and only pulls say half of the harmalas, then it goes without saying that you would have to use more material to achieve the same potency as a properly prepared brew.

Is that closer to answering your question?
 
i think you're wondering if the weight of the vine you start with is the dose you use, even after processing it? yes it is. the weights people use for plant brews/extracts is the weight of the material from the start. once you boil and extract all the goodies from the vine, and throw away the vine, the after theoretically has "1 ounce of goodies" in it, so that water reduction could be considered 1 ounce worth of vine.

if he boils down 100g of vine into a liter of wwater amd ends up with 50ml of water, that water is still considered to contain 100g worth of vine (assuming all went well and done properly)
 
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