Bad Acid

[Spira]

endlessness: I took 2C-P twice (10mg and 18mg) before this acid experience and after my ex had her breakdown, and I had an amazing experience both times. Therefore, I don't necessarily think that it was my psychological state that altered the trip. Also, I didn't tell any of my friends about the breakdown my ex had when I gave them the acid, for obvious reasons, yet they still had bad experiences. I've had 20+ hour acid trips myself, so I wouldn't really look too much into the duration. Finally, the count is 4 bad experiences from that batch. But again, like you said, it's all speculation.

 

[endlessness]

Interesting, thanks for the info! Indeed its all speculation but I think its valid that we are questioning about it, right?

So you say you took 2C-P and didnt have a bad experience. But 2C-P was not what your girlfriend took to have bad experience, so in this sense the 'self-suggestion' aspect wouldnt play a role. Also, acid is notorious for greatly increasing any pre-existing problems and making one sensitive for set-and-setting... Im unfamiliar with 2C-P, is it also known for such things like usual psychedelics, or is it more of the typical phenethylamine 'easy going' psychedelic empathogens ?

As for your friends, ok so the self suggestion aspect cannot acount for their bad experiences.. You think they had good set-and-setting for their experiences, and the bad experience was completely unexpected, or was there something that could have helped precipitating the negative aspects?

 

[polytrip]

Spira.. At this point its all speculation, of course..
By the way, for those that claimed there could have been impurities from "bad" lsd synthesis that affected the acid experience, would you please tell me which substances you claim could be present from the synthesis and show any sources for any analysis that showed any of these substances being present in acid in active amounts?

I don't know what the by-products of LSD synthesis could be.

I base my judgement on experience with LSD. I've had a few blotters that, if taken in larger amounts, like more than 4, started to give feelings very reminescent of large amounts of LSA seeds. I remember a blotter that was blue and had a picture of the sun on it. If you took 4 of them, it started to feel very much like a large amount of morning glory seeds, including that sedated dreamy feeling. In smaller amounts you didn't have this. Another blotter i once had, had a picture on it of a purple budha (it was not the only blotter with a picture of a budha on it) It gave effects that where just like what you normally get from LSD, but always had the side effect of feeling cold and sweaty.

My conclusion is that it must be some lysergics or lysergic acid itself, that work in a negative way, synergistically with the lSD.

 

[endlessness]

but how many times did you take it, and how many different people took it, and without sharing the experience with each other, felt the same thing? Can you discount 100% the set and setting and self-suggestion and your own metabolism and the day's weather and time of the day and whatever else? Not trying to discount your conclusion, but I see so often people claiming that blotter X causes trips of Y type, but these people never even consider the self-suggestion and set and setting possibilities, which I think are one of the main things we have to consider, knowing how important this is for psychedelic experiences.

Not that Im claiming for sure there arent different effects, I just dont know and only scientific testing would tell, but I do know from all I've read on lsd and synthesis and talked with people who knew their stuff, that the possible impurities present in LSD synth (like iso-lsd) were inactive or not active in the amounts present, even taking multiple doses. Maybe there is a synergy with some compounds that alone are not active, maybe there are other compounds I never read about, maybe your blue sun blotter was something else, its all possible.... But I think its important to make many questions before coming to conclusions.

 

[antichode]

visually, how was the experience? I always find acid very particular with its effects..... I mean, anything can happen but the way thoughts spiral and reality shifts are unmistakable with acid compared to anything else on the planet.

I personally have lost my marbles and pulled my pants off on one occasion when I was 18. It was acid alright, but I just tarted to panic that things were going far further than I had anticipated. I was losing all my memory's, my thoughts and everything I held inside and the world around me was changing to reflet this. I concluded that I was dying and I freaked.

Took me a number of years to figure out what had actually happened, and many more years to actually be comfortable with the process of shedding my physical and mental self

One question does beg an answer tho....Why on earth did you eat 4 tabs straight off the bat? Even one blotter could be the strongest experience you encounter? Also your ex, what was she doing eating so much at one time? Bummer about her prolonged psychosis, usually things like that will be triggered eventually by something stressful, just as likely to happen when she has 3 kids and a husband as it is to happen with a rough ride of psychedelics unfortunately

 

[69ron]

I’ve got to say that these kinds of threads go nowhere. The reason being, no one ever knows what’s on blotter. You didn’t have your blotter acid tested professionally. It could have anything on it. You just don’t know. It could be one of the known RCs, or something completely new and unknown. The DEA only tests a very small percentage of the acid that circulates. They only get the stuff that’s obtained from busts, and that’s it. I would say that they test less than 1% of the acid that’s out there.

The bottom line: YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS ON BLOTTER PAPER. There is no easy way to tell what’s on it. It might feel like LSD to you and be some new unknown RC. You just don’t know. That’s one reason buying acid is very risky. The acid you buy doesn’t come with a list of ingredients or an analysis of what’s in it. You just don’t know. You have to put your trust in your dealer. And your dealer may not even really know himself.

The purchase of acid is a purchase of uncertainty. If you believe your dealer is selling authentic LSD, you still don’t really know. You can believe it or not. But until you have it professionally tested, YOU DON’T KNOW. End of story. Just because someone you trust says it’s real LSD doesn’t mean it actually is.

 

[clouds]

^ Which means we will never know if we consumed real LSD until it is legal and available to buy in a professional drugstore.

 

[endlessness]

I’ve got to say that these kinds of threads go nowhere. The reason being, no one ever knows what’s on blotter. You didn’t have your blotter acid tested professionally. It could have anything on it. You just don’t know. It could be one of the known RCs, or something completely new and unknown. The DEA only tests a very small percentage of the acid that circulates. They only get the stuff that’s obtained from busts, and that’s it. I would say that they test less than 1% of the acid that’s out there.

The bottom line: YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS ON BLOTTER PAPER. There is no easy way to tell what’s on it. It might feel like LSD to you and be some new unknown RC. You just don’t know. That’s one reason buying acid is very risky. The acid you buy doesn’t come with a list of ingredients or an analysis of what’s in it. You just don’t know. You have to put your trust in your dealer. And your dealer may not even really know himself.

The purchase of acid is a purchase of uncertainty. If you believe your dealer is selling authentic LSD, you still don’t really know. You can believe it or not. But until you have it professionally tested, YOU DON’T KNOW. End of story. Just because someone you trust says it’s real LSD doesn’t mean it actually is.

You are more or less right but there are available acid tests where one can use to 'gauge' their knowledge of whats real acid (and to see if one's stash is right). For example in boom festival in europe there was an erowid crew with chromatography equipment available, testing all substances people wanted to submit to them. All of the acid tested in the festival were real acid and nothing else, and this was from a great number of different samples, both blotters, microdots and if im not mistaken liquid too. This was published in some erowid magazine, forgot which. I dont know how's the acid situation in USA, though, and I doubt these kind of tests are openly done. If i remember correctly, the only substance submited as something else was one red star microdot which some people sold as mescaline (which was obviously not because 300+mg of some substance does not fit in a tiny microdot), which was found to actually be acid.

Trusting random dealers, even if they are well intentioned, is indeed risky business. But there are also connections which are trustable, it just depends on what place you and your acquaintaces are in the whole chain.

That being said, each one has to decide for their own, many things in life have different kinds of risks and its up to each one to see if the risks are worth it and to try to eliminate risks when possible and reasonable

 

[polytrip]

^ Which means we will never know if we consumed real LSD until it is legal and available to buy in a professional drugstore.

Real LSD is very much like LSH. If something is very much like LSH, than you can be almost certain that at least, you have a lysergic.

 

[polytrip]

but how many times did you take it, and how many different people took it, and without sharing the experience with each other, felt the same thing? Can you discount 100% the set and setting and self-suggestion and your own metabolism and the day's weather and time of the day and whatever else? Not trying to discount your conclusion, but I see so often people claiming that blotter X causes trips of Y type, but these people never even consider the self-suggestion and set and setting possibilities, which I think are one of the main things we have to consider, knowing how important this is for psychedelic experiences.

Not that Im claiming for sure there arent different effects, I just dont know and only scientific testing would tell, but I do know from all I've read on lsd and synthesis and talked with people who knew their stuff, that the possible impurities present in LSD synth (like iso-lsd) were inactive or not active in the amounts present, even taking multiple doses. Maybe there is a synergy with some compounds that alone are not active, maybe there are other compounds I never read about, maybe your blue sun blotter was something else, its all possible.... But I think its important to make many questions before coming to conclusions.

I didn't take those low-quality blotters anymore, when i found out they where not so good.
I'm well aware that psychedelic's allow you to imagine all kind of things, including physical side-effects.
Nevertheless, i also had blotters that gave those typical LSH-like effects and at the same time, hardly gave any unpleasant side-effect at all.
They gave very clean, smooth and clear experiences that surpassed the effects of LSH, without any of it's unpleasant effects.
This leads me to conlude that good quality acid exists, or that other substances (like maybe atropine) may be added on some blotters, that greatly smoothen the experience and reduce normal side-effects.

It is not so much the bad experiences i've had that convinced me that there is good as well as bad acid, but the very good experiences i've had.
Auto-suggesting 'no side-effects at all' is much harder, than auto-sugesting side-effects.

 

[Big Inhale]

All this talk of fake acid sux. I can honestly say ive never got fake acid (except once at a phish show it was just reg paper stupidh phish kids) every time its been legit never had doubts about its authenticity and I ve been eating acid going on 15 years. Now there are dryspells every now and then. I just dont understand how its still being made if these precursors are scrutinized so heavily and for so long. Seems like someone has some say so somewhere maybe the gov lets certain amounts of the precursors out just so it doesnt go extinct or theres some very sneaky people out there. Either way keep it coming. We are the drugs Thanks for producing them.

 

[69ron]

^ Which means we will never know if we consumed real LSD until it is legal and available to buy in a professional drugstore.

Real LSD is very much like LSH. If something is very much like LSH, than you can be almost certain that at least, you have a lysergic.

This is one of the best ways to know that it's at least in the class of molecules LSD belongs to. LSH has some effects that it shares only with LSD and it's close lysergamide relatives which are absent from phenethylamines and tryptamines. It has a lot more side effects than LSD, but the general feeling of it and the general mental psychedelic effects are almost identical to LSD. LSH and LSD are nearly identical molecules as you can see in the picture I added.

 

[cellux]

For example in boom festival in europe there was an erowid crew with chromatography equipment available, testing all substances people wanted to submit to them. All of the acid tested in the festival were real acid and nothing else, and this was from a great number of different samples, both blotters, microdots and if im not mistaken liquid too. This was published in some erowid magazine, forgot which.

Erowid in Portugal
At the Boom Festival, 2008

Erowid Conference Vaults : Erowid in Portugal: At the Boom Festival, 2008

Erowid in Portugal: At the Boom Festival, 2008, by J. Hanna & S. Thyssen.

www.erowid.org

What I found especially interesting is this one:

LSD Samples Analysis

Erowid LSD (Acid) Vault: LSD Samples Analysis

'LSD Samples Analysis', by Eduardo Hidalgo

www.erowid.org

The data we have reviewed so far indicates that the vast majority of substances sold as LSD are, in fact, LSD, with no other psychoactive chemicals or adulterating substances. Out of the 134 blotters analyzed by the DEA between 1976 and 1986, only one contained DOB instead of acid. Similarly, out of the 2,189 samples analyzed by the INT between 1997 and 2003, only one did not contain LSD; instead, it contained amphetamine, methampethamine, and temazepam. Out of 2,323 samples, therefore, there was a 0.08% percentage of adulteration or misrepresentation.

A totally different issue is that of the real amounts of lysergic acid contained in black market samples. Looking at the average concentrations obtained in any given period or year, one will see that the most frequent value is fifty µg. The absolute average concentration of all the tests already mentioned (excluding the INT results for powdered and liquid samples) is exactly 53.38 micrograms.

Which makes me wonder whether the fact that I couldn't repeat my one and only LSD breakthrough in any possible way is really attributable to the heavens having closed the gate for me or rather a peculiar coincidence by which I could lay my hands on a rare exotic batch of LSD at my first time - it was a "wizard" blotter and *one half of it* propelled me right into the heart of the universe -, while acquiring only the standard low dose blotters later on (when I tried to repeat my first experience). Hey, that was a long sentence. Sorry, Snoz.

 

[polytrip]

While pictures on blotters may not guarantee quality, within a certain scene they still may represent something like a 'brand'. As well with XTC as with LSD, certain 'brands' may become popular because of known high quality.

In the time i took LSD, within the scene in wich i was taking it, there where two brands that where basically considered to be the best of the best. If others copied these brands, it is likely they would use simmilar doses.
One of those blotters had the picture of a dragon on it, and it was by far the best LSD i've ever had. Everytime i took this dragonblotter it simply gave me the most amazing LSD-experience possible.

The second most popular blotter was with a wizard on it. It was the druid from the french comic 'asterix', mixing a magic brew in a large kettle. This blotter was very strong, though somewhat less pleasant than the dragon. It was a little 'colder'.

These blotters where so strong that after taking 3 of them, the strength wouldn't increase. I don't know where the 'saturation point' of LSD lies exactly, but it's probably somewhere in between 700 and 1000 micrograms, so this blotter must have had something from 233 to 333 micrograms on it.

If you talk about a blotter that's very strong with a wizard on it, i cannot help immediatelt thinking about this one.

 

[cellux]

It was the druid from the french comic 'asterix', mixing a magic brew in a large kettle.

Yep, that's the one.

 

[polytrip]

It was the druid from the french comic 'asterix', mixing a magic brew in a large kettle.

Yep, that's the one.

Well, then you had top quality acid and quite powerfull two.
If the average blotter these days contains only around 60 micrograms, this one is at least 4 to 5 times as strong.

In those days, the druid was legendary for it's strength and quality.

 

[dreamer042]

Remember if your buying unknown quality to

TEST YOUR PILLS/DOSES!

Marquis reagent is readily available and you can test for all sorts of things

Marquis reagent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

MDMA or MDA - purple to black
LSD - Olive black
2,5-Dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine (DOB) - Olive Green - Yellow
Amphetamine or Methamphetamine - orange to brown
DXM - gray to black
4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (2C-B) - orange to green

For a small investment you can give yourself a reasonable idea of what your getting and what kind of quality/purity your looking at.

Be safe people

Peas, Lub, and Respek

 

[corpus callosum]

I agree the blotter art cannot be relied on as a mark of quality or dosage.I recall there being a load of blotters named The Zippy Jesters which were incredibly clean but the strength of these was clearly at 2 concentrations.

The most potent tabs I have tried,and bear in mind this was 1988-1993 were, in descending order:

1.White Lightning-a blank white blotter which was 11mm x 11mm;

2.Green Dragon- 4 tabs to a full picture;

3.The Gorbachev- 4 tabs made a bust of Glasnosts greatest exponent;

4.Clear Windowpane.

 

[Spira]

Remember if your buying unknown quality to

TEST YOUR PILLS/DOSES!

Marquis reagent is readily available and you can test for all sorts of things

Marquis reagent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

MDMA or MDA - purple to black
LSD - Olive black
2,5-Dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine (DOB) - Olive Green - Yellow
Amphetamine or Methamphetamine - orange to brown
DXM - gray to black
4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (2C-B) - orange to green

For a small investment you can give yourself a reasonable idea of what your getting and what kind of quality/purity your looking at.

Be safe people

Peas, Lub, and Respek

I recommend this be stickied.

 

[polytrip]

Maybe blotter art cannot be relied on as a mark of quality. But within a scene, blotter art does count as an indication for quality and strength, meaning that if some popular blotter get's copied, you may often expect at least a simmilar potency. It's just like a brand name. If you buy a watch somewhere that has 'rolex' printed on it, it may be fake just as well.

2.Green Dragon- 4 tabs to a full picture;

That one was definately my favorite. As potent as the druid mentioned earlier, but incredibly clean, warm and friendly. I liked it much more than for instance the famous 'hofman aniversary' blotter with the bike.

In the circles i was hanging around in the nineties, the dragon and the druid where realy legendary. Of all blotters available, they where the most wanted.