I'm sort of confused, wondering what the best tek would be for this, I did a standard STB tek on 50g and got like literally nothing for my yeild and i still dont know why. I want to try to do a 250g extraction aiming to get 2g minimum but hopefully more than that with the 2% yeild. Anyways what tek should I do to best maximize my yeild for this?
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TEK Best Tek for 250g Of Mimosa Hostilis Bark?
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If you weren't able to extract anything from 50g, either your bark is bunk or you did something wrong during the extraction. Wouldn't it be better to make sure that you are extracting it properly before attempting 250g? Extracting larger amounts is more difficult, not easier, as you'll need to be handling a large volume of liquid.
What tek did you follow, what materials did you use, etc. in your initial attempt?
What tek did you follow, what materials did you use, etc. in your initial attempt?
I followed this guide exactly: .
I bought from a reputable source, did everything exactly how I was told and went over it with multiple people and still no clue how this happened like I got yields of maybe 20mg at the most, they were so tiny. I followed that video exactly and used all the materials it said to. As far as I can tell I did everything PERFECTLY and I'm extremely confused how I got these tiny yields. I can explain in detail exactly what I did if you want but its literally just what that video shows.
I skimmed over the video. I noticed he's not waiting at all between adding the lye and doing the pulls because the reaction is "instant" with powdered bark. This is not really true, the lye needs some time to act on the bark. So you should wait at least an hour.
Then, how much lye did you add? He misspeaks and says 50mg instead of 50g.
Finally, how many pulls did you do? How long did you leave the naphtha in? What did you do to get from naphtha to crystals?
Then, how much lye did you add? He misspeaks and says 50mg instead of 50g.
Finally, how many pulls did you do? How long did you leave the naphtha in? What did you do to get from naphtha to crystals?
I did add 50g of lye, I did 3 pulls, I left the naptha in for not long the first time only like 15 mins but since then I did a second extraction 24 hr later after the reaction should have happened, and I left the naptha in for much longer more like 45 min at a time. Getting from naptha to crystals all I did was leave the naptha in a pyrex in a freezer at -22c for 24hr, then i poured off all the naptha and let the dish air dry for like 2 hours before scraping. Still got a small yield after all that, and I've since then done another extraction and so far of 3 I've gotten basically nothing.
It may be that your bark isn't good then. What you did sounds correct.
When pouring off the naphtha, did you keep it and reuse it in the following pulls?
Also, when you say:
When pouring off the naphtha, did you keep it and reuse it in the following pulls?
Also, when you say:
Do you mean per pull? And did you weigh them?
You should be able to describe exactly what you did, using your own words. It would also be useful in troubleshooting your process if you could list all of your ingredients, materials and apparatus in considerable detail. Any one of those things could be at fault.
The video, besides being a bit waffle-y only shows the process up to adding and mixing the naphtha. What did you do once it was time to remove the naphtha from the extraction flask?
It's not really about how long you leave the naphtha in, more about how intimately you mix the two phases - without producing an emulsion. That was mentioned in the last 5 seconds of the video.
Done correctly using high quality bark, you should be able to get about a gram of DMT within three hours or so. Yes, from 50g bark - but your bark might be more average so you're looking at 400-500mg still being a respectable yield.
Definitely this^
Okay, here I will describe exactly what I did. (also I bought from a source which has multiple reports of a 2% yield when extracted properly)
I got my pre ground up bark, added it to my 1000ml erlenmeyer flask. Then I added 500ml of distilled water, then I added another 200ml of distilled water with about 50g of lye in it mixed in slowly bit by bit, it turned black and everything appeared how it should be. I wrapped the top of the flask which was a rubber stopper in like teflon tape you'd get for pipes and mixed it all up until the whole thing appeared the same consistancy. I then added 80g of salt mixed with 100ml of water because I was told it would be a lot faster than the 40g cited in the video, this salt was unlabeled and it may have very well been iodized salt so I planed to do a Re-x later but I assume that this wouldn't cause my low yeild? I did not wait an hour I went and added my naptha right away and then mixed it, I think I mixed it too hard and got emulsions, so I added another 40g of salt and mixed it again, which seemed to make the emulsions clear much faster. I then did my first pull, into a jar of warmed distilled water, and used my turkey baster to sort of spray it into the water (the video I followed the same guy posted a water wash guide which I followed) once the naptha seperated from the water, I tranfered it to another jar, did the same thing again, and then added it straight to my pyrex dish. I then did this again, added more naptha (60ml) mixed it back up, waited for it to sperate, pulled it out, did the same water wash, and put it in the dish. Before the third pull I put the whole flask in a pan of hot water for about 15min, and then repeated the same process, added naptha, mixed it, waited for it to seperate and then put it in the water wash and then into the pyrex. I wrapped the pyrex in saran wrap and put it in a trashbag and then put it in my freezer which at the time was about -14c, I then left it for about 22 hours and pulled it out, poured all the naptha into a jar and kept it, waited an hour with it in the sun, upside down. Once it looked dry, I scraped it and weighed it and it was like 25mg total for my first pull. I was very dissapointed but had some ideas why it was so low so I just did another extraction, I assumed that not waiting an hour after adding the salt for it to react may have been part of it but now it had been almost a full 24 hours since I did that, and also I knew to do a warm water bath in between each pull, as well as mixing up the naptha into the soup like 3, 4 times instead of just 1. I re did the whole process but did a warm water bath for around 15mins and then mixed it up and waited for it to seperate about 3-4 times each, 4 times total each with less naptha this time, more like 40ml this was using the same naptha I did the first time. I also realized my freezer was not set low enough and switched it to -22c before my second pull. Since then I have done the same process again twice, for 4 total extractions and each time I have gotten less and less, for the 3rd I got basically nothing and now for the 4th its currently in the freezer.
Hopefully this is all understandable, I feel as if I've done everything exactly right, there were some minor issues but nothing to cause this level of low yield. I plan to try to ph strip test my soup as well as check the temp of the freezer with a thermometer to rule out those as potential issues even though the freezer should be fine, and I added 50g of lye which should have been more than enough to balance the ph. Anyway if you have any idea what I did wrong please let me know, I can explain anything you want in more detail. thank you very much.
I got my pre ground up bark, added it to my 1000ml erlenmeyer flask. Then I added 500ml of distilled water, then I added another 200ml of distilled water with about 50g of lye in it mixed in slowly bit by bit, it turned black and everything appeared how it should be. I wrapped the top of the flask which was a rubber stopper in like teflon tape you'd get for pipes and mixed it all up until the whole thing appeared the same consistancy. I then added 80g of salt mixed with 100ml of water because I was told it would be a lot faster than the 40g cited in the video, this salt was unlabeled and it may have very well been iodized salt so I planed to do a Re-x later but I assume that this wouldn't cause my low yeild? I did not wait an hour I went and added my naptha right away and then mixed it, I think I mixed it too hard and got emulsions, so I added another 40g of salt and mixed it again, which seemed to make the emulsions clear much faster. I then did my first pull, into a jar of warmed distilled water, and used my turkey baster to sort of spray it into the water (the video I followed the same guy posted a water wash guide which I followed) once the naptha seperated from the water, I tranfered it to another jar, did the same thing again, and then added it straight to my pyrex dish. I then did this again, added more naptha (60ml) mixed it back up, waited for it to sperate, pulled it out, did the same water wash, and put it in the dish. Before the third pull I put the whole flask in a pan of hot water for about 15min, and then repeated the same process, added naptha, mixed it, waited for it to seperate and then put it in the water wash and then into the pyrex. I wrapped the pyrex in saran wrap and put it in a trashbag and then put it in my freezer which at the time was about -14c, I then left it for about 22 hours and pulled it out, poured all the naptha into a jar and kept it, waited an hour with it in the sun, upside down. Once it looked dry, I scraped it and weighed it and it was like 25mg total for my first pull. I was very dissapointed but had some ideas why it was so low so I just did another extraction, I assumed that not waiting an hour after adding the salt for it to react may have been part of it but now it had been almost a full 24 hours since I did that, and also I knew to do a warm water bath in between each pull, as well as mixing up the naptha into the soup like 3, 4 times instead of just 1. I re did the whole process but did a warm water bath for around 15mins and then mixed it up and waited for it to seperate about 3-4 times each, 4 times total each with less naptha this time, more like 40ml this was using the same naptha I did the first time. I also realized my freezer was not set low enough and switched it to -22c before my second pull. Since then I have done the same process again twice, for 4 total extractions and each time I have gotten less and less, for the 3rd I got basically nothing and now for the 4th its currently in the freezer.
Hopefully this is all understandable, I feel as if I've done everything exactly right, there were some minor issues but nothing to cause this level of low yield. I plan to try to ph strip test my soup as well as check the temp of the freezer with a thermometer to rule out those as potential issues even though the freezer should be fine, and I added 50g of lye which should have been more than enough to balance the ph. Anyway if you have any idea what I did wrong please let me know, I can explain anything you want in more detail. thank you very much.
Well, that all seems broadly in line with how we might expect it to be, but there are still a number of nuances to explore.
Did you use plain (distilled) water for the washing water? Recent observations indicate that dissolved CO₂ may adversely affect yields, so adding about half a teaspoon of sodium carbonate to the washing water helps to circumvent this possible cause of yield loss.
If you've been wise enough to keep that washing water (as per the Golden Rule of Extracting), you can chuck that back into the main extraction and have another go.
Beyond this, we might need to be taking an even closer look at exactly which lye and naphtha you've used. Naphtha could contain various additives which inhibit freeze precipitation for example.
One more thing, are you sure it was only 25mg (0.025g) and not 250mg (0.25g)? Or a systematic error in your electronic balance?
Did you use plain (distilled) water for the washing water? Recent observations indicate that dissolved CO₂ may adversely affect yields, so adding about half a teaspoon of sodium carbonate to the washing water helps to circumvent this possible cause of yield loss.
If you've been wise enough to keep that washing water (as per the Golden Rule of Extracting), you can chuck that back into the main extraction and have another go.
Beyond this, we might need to be taking an even closer look at exactly which lye and naphtha you've used. Naphtha could contain various additives which inhibit freeze precipitation for example.
One more thing, are you sure it was only 25mg (0.025g) and not 250mg (0.25g)? Or a systematic error in your electronic balance?
Yes it was literally 25mg I don't understand why it was so tiny. I used distilled water with nothing in it for washing, my bottles almost full so i doubt i could put the wash water in it but I do have the wash water still, and I make sure my wash water was very warm to prevent any loss. For lye I used red devil, and for naptha I used sunnyside. I know a friend who used literally the exact same materials as me pretty much and got a normal yeild. It really does not make any sense to me how I got a 25mg yield.
Sad to say, but it really does sound like your bark's dud. I still have my eye on your wash water, though. You could try adding a dash of lye to that and seeing if it clouds up. If it does, pull with a couple of shots of your already-used naphtha.
One more thing to try beyond this, to check it's not your naphtha failing to freeze-precipitate, pull from the used naphtha with a little diluted white vinegar a couple of times. The resulting combined aqueous pulls can then either be evaporated down to (hopefully) yield DMT acetate, or treated with lye solution to see whether they cloud up at all. If it does, you can either pull with clean naphtha and evaporate (since freeze precip appears not to work), or simply put it in the fridge - sans naphtha - where you should end up with a solid puck of amorphous product atop the alkaline solution.
(Should you happen to produce DMT acetate, there are plenty of ways of proceeding from there.)
If none of those tricks work, it's almost certainly the bark.
Do you mean atop the alkaline solution at the bottom of the NPS layer? I ask because if freeze precip is not working for that specific NPS mix how would this work?
i dont really understand what youre trying to get me to do, Is the bark really a dud? I bought from somewhere thats supposed to be very reputable and i already bought from them again? will my bark hopefully not be a dud again next time? is there any way to tell if my bark is a dud or not?
It is likely that your bark is a dud, what Transform suggested you do could confirm whether it is or not.
Supposing your bark is good, the dmt must be somewhere:
- It could be in the water from the water washes as even distilled water can be acidic due to CO2 absorption from the air, so if you kept the water from the wash, base it with lye to see if there is any cloudiness indicating potential dmt presence. If yes you can pull the dmt from the water with naphtha.
- it could be that the naphtha you got which is a mix of hydrocarbons has components like xylene which would prevent freeze precipitation. If that's the case you can recover the dmt by washing the naphtha with distilled white vinegar, you can evap the vinegar and get dmt acetate. You can also base it again with lye to see if there is cloudiness like above, but then you'd need a more appropriate naphtha to pull and freeze precip
I mean to separate the vinegar pulls, add base and stick it in the fridge, no extra NPS needed. I can edit the description to make this clearer.
Look, it's not stacking up very well for your bark being much good, but there are still a few other possibilities for why the extraction has been unsuccessful. You're quite welcome to think about where your product may have gone, in fact I'd be delighted.
Here's another option for you to consider: if your friend still has any of the bark that worked for them, ask to swap some for an equal amount of your own bark. Then you can try again using all the same materials as before, except with bark that you know to be decent.
Similarly, your friend could extract with their own method, which apparently works, but using the bark which has been disappointing for you so far.
The results of these two extractions would highlight whether it was the bark, or some part of your materials or methods that was at fault.
That's what I initially thought you meant but didn't know it was possible. That sounds like a useful idea for NPS free extractions
Yes, but it only works on pre-purified DMT, usually from pulling with NPS, so …
Good to know, where I'm from naphtha quality is usually bad and there's unkown NPS available called tinner in reference to paint thinner, it smells strong and evaporates slowly, I like to think it's xylene or toluene but I have no idea. Previously I tried using it and then backsalting with vinegar, evaping and mixing with soda carb and pulling with ethanol into changa, which never dried I believe due to soda carb contamination. This trick might be helpful if I try this route again.