Best visuals on HBWR crude extract

[beatenwarrior]

To this day I have never had as intense visuals as I have had on HBWR. The only thing that has been better was keeping eyes open while standing up through a break through dmt dose which I have posted about.

But beyond that I've done over 400 micro grams of LSD and the visuals didn't even touch what I saw on the HBWR. *Edit - I take that back, It's not that they haven't been as good, just not as intense. The visuals were very different from LSD visuals so it's hard to make an accurate comparison. I'd prefer LSD visuals over these, but these were just more intense, harder to look at.

Basically I took a massive dose. I crushed up 25 seeds, covered with Acetone, and extracted 3 times. Then let and scrapped up the black residue.

Next I mixed in four drops or pure peppermint oil and swallowed it all.

I cannot recommend this to anyone because I will never, ever, repeat this experience. Why? Because my bronchial constriction was so intense I was convinced I was going to die for the first two hours. Even after that, it remained difficult to breathe. Coupled with intensely painful nausea it was one of the most painful experiences in my life. But oh my gosh the experience goes beyond words.

I took so much from it. I spent hours experiencing my consciousness as it tore apart and blast across the universe into a sea of small atomic type particles. Then it would always come back together, as if it just knew how too without needing to know.

During the waking moments the euphoria was greater than mdma. It's so difficult to describe. But I'd never felt anything close to that kind of euphoria on any acid trip. And Oh my gosh, the visuals!! I saw fireworks exploding everywhere looked. My skin was glowing translucent white like the luminosity was on max. The tracers lasted minutes. Everything was beautiful and almost too bright to even look look at.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else has ever taken a dose this high and had an experience like this? I wish lsd could do these effects. Or I could make it so breathing was easier. I think I'm onto something amazing with this extraction and dose size.

 

[frobot]

You can refine the black goo to get rid of the constriction, but this seems like it gets rid of some of the magic.
I feel pretty certain that these magical experiences are from a mixture of compounds in morning glories and HBWR, and when you isolate LSA it just isn't the same.

My uncles friend has been working on a way to do as little to the seed as possible while still eliminating the things that cause nausea and constriction. It's not easy though :|

 

[door#6]

really? ive never done hbwr. i've never thought of lsa as being that strong, i've always read trips being described as "light" and really managable. i wasn't even interested in trying actually.

 

[beatenwarrior]

really? ive never done hbwr. i've never thought of lsa as being that strong, i've always read trips being described as "light" and really managable. i wasn't even interested in trying actually.

I doubt the trips you read were from a 25 seed extract. Most ppl eat 5-9. And most wouldn't extract it as thorally as did. I'm pretty sure got all alkaloids out of those damn seeds.

 

[frobot]

I've read many trip reports and they are usually in two categories - light, dreamy, sedating experiences that are more of a head space than visual, and the occasional highly psychedelic visual experience.
It could have something to do with the peppermint oil. Although I think it's impossible that LSH is formed, and I never notice a difference with or without it personally.
With varying seed potency, varying extraction techniques, and each person being different it is hard to tell what separates the two.

beatenwarrior, did you feel sleepy/dreamy or sedated? have you tried taking the seeds without the peppermint oil?

 

[beatenwarrior]

You can refine the black goo to get rid of the constriction, but this seems like it gets rid of some of the magic.
I feel pretty certain that these magical experiences are from a mixture of compounds in morning glories and HBWR, and when you isolate LSA it just isn't the same.

My uncles friend has been working on a way to do as little to the seed as possible while still eliminating the things that cause nausea and constriction. It's not easy though :|

I totally agree. I've refined it in the past. LSA alone did nothing for me. I also tried 500 morning glories and felt nothing. But this 25 seed crude extract of wood rose holds the magic. I wasn't expecting the results I got. My girlfriend did them with me. She had just as an intense experience

 

[beatenwarrior]

I've read many trip reports and they are usually in two categories - light, dreamy, sedating experiences that are more of a head space than visual, and the occasional highly psychedelic visual experience.
It could have something to do with the peppermint oil. Although I think it's impossible that LSH is formed, and I never notice a difference with or without it personally.
With varying seed potency, varying extraction techniques, and each person being different it is hard to tell what separates the two.

beatenwarrior, did you feel sleepy/dreamy or sedated? have you tried taking the seeds without the peppermint oil?

It came in waves. At first I was very sedated and dreamy. That was after I managed to calm myself and my girlfriend down enough to try sleeping off the nausea. After an hour of what felt like travelling through different dimensions we had some shared telephony type experience but this is common for us on psychedelics in general. After this I was wide awake but was not aware of being human. I had complete ego death and the visuals were remarkable. It lasted hours, I went to bed far before it was over.

And yes, but not in this specific extraction. I tried it without pep oil in more refined extractions but never felt anything. Nor did I take as high a dose though.

 

[door#6]

So if you peel the fuzzy stuff off the outside you don't get sick right? I've heard of folks putting morning glory seeds in a tea bag and soaking them overnight. just water. supposedly that gets rid of sickness causing stuff... I know that's a different kind of seed but something about both of them causes headaches and nausea I hear. Not interested in getting sick all day.

Hmmmm.... I'm thinking about hbwr now... wonder if there is a good extract that gives you only LSA?

 

[frobot]

A cold water extraction helps with the nausea but at a dose of 25 HBWR it would definitely still be there.
There are methods of getting very near pure LSA and even 30 seeds gives no nausea or constriction at all. But they are very inefficient. It seems like you end up with not even half of what you started with.
This might be the difference though. Maybe the known extraction methods are just not efficient enough and the amazing visual experiences only come with huge amounts of LSA.

It's likely either inefficiency or that LSA only plays a partial role in the experience.
If you isolate a good amount of pure LSA from a large amount of seeds and get the full on vivid visuals then it was probably an efficiency problem.
If not, then a different method of extraction could be tried that keeps as much of the seed contents while still getting rid of enough of the bad stuff to not cause nausea. If this gives the full on experience then it was probably because a range of alkaloids are needed for the experience.

 

[beatenwarrior]

So if you peel the fuzzy stuff off the outside you don't get sick right? I've heard of folks putting morning glory seeds in a tea bag and soaking them overnight. just water. supposedly that gets rid of sickness causing stuff... I know that's a different kind of seed but something about both of them causes headaches and nausea I hear. Not interested in getting sick all day.

Hmmmm.... I'm thinking about hbwr now... wonder if there is a good extract that gives you only LSA?

Crush the seeds, shell and all. Then cover with Acetone. Shake for fifteen minutes, filter. Repeat times three with new Acetone each time. Then combine Acetone pulls, and evap on a dish.

I can't personally recommend morning glory as they did nothing for me. Nor can I recommend extractions for pure lsa. Pure lsa also did nothing for me. There is something about the blend of compounds in hbwr that make it so psychedelic. I don't know how else to explain it.

 

[door#6]

were you sick on and off the whole trip or just the first hour or so?

 

[beatenwarrior]

were you sick on and off the whole trip or just the first hour or so?

I was incredibly sick for the first 2 hours after it started coming on. Beyond that I maintained a steady sickness the entire time. After maybe 4-5 hours the sickness completely subsided. But my girlfriend was only sick for the first hour then she was fine. So I guess it depends on the person.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

LSA itself is vasoconstricting. 25 HBWR seeds seems unnecessary, IMO. 10 seeds is sufficient enough for a entheogenic experience, especially when mixed with cannabis. The benefits of cannabis reduces some negative ergine effects and reinforces / enhances the effects altogether.

Also, peppermint oil has not been concluded to enhance the experience due to lack of evidence of the actual composition taking place. Plus, LSH is known to be very unstable. So, unless they were fresh seeds, the actuality of any conversion seems doubtful. It certainly can enhance the taste of extracts.

Thanks for sharing! Take care, be well.

 

[beatenwarrior]

LSA itself is vasoconstricting. 25 HBWR seeds seems unnecessary, IMO. 10 seeds is sufficient enough for a entheogenic experience, especially when mixed with cannabis. The benefits of cannabis reduces some negative ergine effects and reinforces / enhances the effects altogether.

Also, peppermint oil has not been concluded to enhance the experience due to lack of evidence of the actual composition taking place. Plus, LSH is known to be very unstable. So, unless they were fresh seeds, the actuality of any conversion seems doubtful. It certainly can enhance the taste of extracts.

Thanks for sharing! Take care, be well.

I highly disagree. 25 seeds were not unnecessary and it was quite arrogant for you to jump so readily to that conclusion. I have never heard of an experience as mind expanding or visually articulate as the one I shared off a ten seed dose. For the level of intensity this experience brought 25 seed was quite necessary.

I do not appreciate those types of replies because it totally undercuts my experience and DE values the clear lesson here that hbwr are indeed very visual at high doses.

Furthermore adding cannabis to the mix alters the experience because then you're getting a mixed effect via two different substances combined. In my opinion this removes a lot of value from the realization that hbwr are psychedelic in their own right.

 

[frobot]

LSA itself is vasoconstricting

I've heard both ways on this. If it could be confirmed that LSA in isolation still causes constriction then that would give huge weight to the idea that extractions that don't get heavy visuals were just inefficient because most people report no constriction after an a/b extraction.

As for LSH, there's a lot more than just stability going against it.
Acetaldehyde boils at just 20c, and even if you have oil that contains it, it would have to be tiny amounts because it is toxic.
Extremely small amounts of something so volatile means it would probably be useless even if a conversion could happen just by mixing.

 

[Koornut]

LSA itself is vasoconstricting. 25 HBWR seeds seems unnecessary, IMO. 10 seeds is sufficient enough for a entheogenic experience, especially when mixed with cannabis. The benefits of cannabis reduces some negative ergine effects and reinforces / enhances the effects altogether.

Also, peppermint oil has not been concluded to enhance the experience due to lack of evidence of the actual composition taking place. Plus, LSH is known to be very unstable. So, unless they were fresh seeds, the actuality of any conversion seems doubtful. It certainly can enhance the taste of extracts.

Thanks for sharing! Take care, be well.

I highly disagree. 25 seeds were not unnecessary and it was quite arrogant for you to jump so readily to that conclusion. I have never heard of an experience as mind expanding or visually articulate as the one I shared off a ten seed dose. For the level of intensity this experience brought 25 seed was quite necessary.

I do not appreciate those types of replies because it totally undercuts my experience and DE values the clear lesson here that hbwr are indeed very visual at high doses.

Furthermore adding cannabis to the mix alters the experience because then you're getting a mixed effect via two different substances combined. In my opinion this removes a lot of value from the realization that hbwr are psychedelic in their own right.

From what I understand, cannabis used in conjunction with HBWR helps to dull/soften/distract from/quench some of the more uncomfortable gastro-intestinal side effects at higher doses of HBWR (8+ seeds).

 

[Cognitive Heart]

I highly disagree. 25 seeds were not unnecessary and it was quite arrogant for you to jump so readily to that conclusion. I have never heard of an experience as mind expanding or visually articulate as the one I shared off a ten seed dose. For the level of intensity this experience brought 25 seed was quite necessary.
I do not appreciate those types of replies because it totally undercuts my experience and DE values the clear lesson here that hbwr are indeed very visual at high doses.
Furthermore adding cannabis to the mix alters the experience because then you're getting a mixed effect via two different substances combined. In my opinion this removes a lot of value from the realization that hbwr are psychedelic in their own right.

I was only sharing my opinion from experience on the matter. It doesn't make it one solid truth. And moreover, for harm reduction purposes. Ergo, "I cannot recommend this to anyone because I will never, ever, repeat this experience." I know that everyone is different with these kind of things and serves valuable lessons. It would be clear that a high dosage would be very visual, I don't doubt that. And no, adding cannabis isn't necessary, I only speak from experience.

If one does not want added constructive postings / criticism, so be it. It serves no reason to assume my actions were to 'devalue' your thread. Apologies if it was projected as such.