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blig-blug's Ayahuasca experience log

Hey blig-blug,

I haven't read the previous posts, sorry if I am missing some things..

So are you eating the mimosa powder? I think that's not a good way of administration, it's maybe less horrible than drinking mimosa tea but It's more taxing on the body and digestion. The fact that it sat for 3 hours and you didn't get dmt effects, that doesn't sounds so good. Did you try tea or extracted dmt?

And yes these side effects can be expected with harmalas, 220 mg freebase is a solid dose. Is it something recurring or the first time?
 
So are you eating the mimosa powder? I think that's not a good way of administration, it's maybe less horrible than drinking mimosa tea but It's more taxing on the body and digestion
No, it's a brew, the grams given are just my way to keep track of the doses. Last time I used 30g mimosa and ended up with 300ml, so 3.25g mimosa in this case actually means 32.5ml of the mimosa brew. I decanted it and filtered it, and still the suspended sludge and tannins are very harsh on my stomach. So I wouldn't consider eating the powder (and I don't mind much the taste of the brew, it's not good but I don't hate it).
The fact that it sat for 3 hours and you didn't get dmt effects, that doesn't sounds so good.
I agree. Last time it took 2.5 hours. As I'm new to ayahuasca (I've been at it for a couple months but starting at very low doses and gradually increasing them), I initially thought the visuals I got from the harmalas were very weak DMT effects, and when I thought the experience was reaching its end, the DMT effects suddenly appeared (when changing position, it probably made the stomach release its contents) and it was unmistakable, not weak at all and very luminous.
Did you try tea or extracted dmt?
I haven't tried extracted DMT yet, but I will once I finish the extraction. I seem to be very sensitive to the stomach side effects of mimosa. My girlfriend drinks from the same brew and has only had nausea at all once, and it wasn't too strong.
And yes these side effects can be expected with harmalas, 220 mg freebase is a solid dose. Is it something recurring or the first time?
I supposed so, but wanted to make sure it was not a sign of a high dose, mainly to discard the hypothesis that the stomach issues could be related to too many harmalas. However these effects as they are now are new. I always felt the cold, but it used to be that I just needed a sweater (and the weather was colder then). Now there is really no way to avoid it. It doesn't bother me that much, I was just surprised that it's getting that strong without changing the dose. About the feelings of fainting, those didn't use to happen until the last three times. It can be somewhat scary at times but again it doesn't bother me that much. What's really bothering me is the gas and the pain and nausea it causes.

I haven't read the previous posts, sorry if I am missing some things..
Don't worry! I appreciate your comment.
 
But in this case it's only the harmalas, not the DMT. I realize it may sound similar in its description to symptoms experienced with psychedelics in general; that's a limitation in my description, I really don't know how to explain it well. But it feels eminently physical. For example, I have felt cold chills many times with LSD, mushrooms, etc, but in this case it's not cold chills, it's feeling consistently very cold. It feels exactly like the intense cold that a fever may cause. The same goes for the "fainting", it's almost identical to when that happens with a high fever. This has never happened to me with psychedelics (effects that sound similar but aren't have).
Gotcha. Yeah, it happened to me with pure harmala alks too.

I was trying it to see if I could trigger digestion, as the previous time the DMT took 2.5 hours to reach the intestines. It didn't help, but it did make the vomit taste less bad, so it may be worth it only for that. I generally never eat anything when tripping.
I ate fresh fruits for that reason, they apparently worked better for me.
 
I'm not sure on what to do next time. Maybe I'll have a slice of bread to see if it triggers digestion
Yeah, mimosa is tricky. I suggest not to eat any bread. You can try, but it's a load on your system for sure.
Maybe try ginger candy, it should help with nausea too.
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The first of them is feeling very cold despite it being 20C and me being under two blankets, one of them made of thick wool. My feet seem to actually get cold to touch.
It's actually from DMT. You get chills when it hits your system. So some of the DMT gets absorbed at least.
Harmalas make you warm. It's a vasodilator.
The second is feeling at times like one is about to pass out. It feels very "physical", not psychological. Similar to when one is very sleep deprived and can't help but fall asleep for a moment, but with fainting instead of falling asleep. Sometimes it feels like I did pass out for a moment, I'm unsure if it actually happens or not.
That one is from harmalas most likely. Ayahuasca called the vine of the dead for a reason.
High doses of harmalas produce this effect and one can even feel like dying. Rue is similar at high doses.
Physiologically, it could be a drop in blood pressure due to vasodilation.

I'd recommend looking into changa too. You are a good candidate, I think.
Mimosa + Rue is not a traditional mix, and it has lots of problems. Acacia + Rue is a better medicine, but it's unsustainable.
You can drink Acacia only to a certain point. Traditional recipes are more time tested and safer.
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It's actually from DMT. You get chills when it hits your system. So some of the DMT gets absorbed at least.
Harmalas make you warm. It's a vasodilator.
Interesting then. Yes, I think some was being absorbed.
High doses of harmalas produce this effect and one can even feel like dying
What surprises me is that it has started appearing as of late. I suppose it's reverse tolerance.
I'd recommend looking into changa too
I will. Do you recommend a pipe or a bong for it? I was thinking a bong to make the smoke smoother, as I don't usually smoke anything. I will also try harmalas or rue with extracted DMT. And I also plan to try using PVPP (used to remove tannins from wine) with the mimosa brew, it seems like it could be more effective than the egg tek.
 
I will. Do you recommend a pipe or a bong for it? I was thinking a bong to make the smoke smoother, as I don't usually smoke anything. I will also try harmalas or rue with extracted DMT. And I also plan to try using PVPP (used to remove tannins from wine) with the mimosa brew, it seems like it could be more effective than the egg tek.
I'm not a smoker myself, so I prefer a bong. You can easily redose with this method too.
You'll skip nausea with changa and hit DMT space more easily. I think it's a good medicine too and it has its uses.
And you can always ingest your harmala extract and smoke DMT/changa on top ;)
All the best ❤️
 
I agree. Last time it took 2.5 hours. As I'm new to ayahuasca (I've been at it for a couple months but starting at very low doses and gradually increasing them), I initially thought the visuals I got from the harmalas were very weak DMT effects, and when I thought the experience was reaching its end, the DMT effects suddenly appeared (when changing position, it probably made the stomach release its contents) and it was unmistakable, not weak at all and very luminous.
I've had something similar where it had been like 5 hours since I took an acacia brew, I don't recall if I had purged but most likely I did, and seeing that there was no effects I thought it was over and went ahead and ate lunch, half way through the effects started coming on strong and had to go lay down and ride the trip. another time I took it with a friend and again it didn't work much and when he took a taxi home, with all the movement it kicked in and he started tripping.

What's really bothering me is the gas and the pain and nausea it causes.
I think that's likely from the mimosa, rue tea tastes bad but other than the potential purge I don't find it heavy on the stomach. I've done 450 mg harmala hcl and the "only" side effect I had was purging and dry heaving for an hour straight, not to mention the permanent depersonalization that I still have until today :b

Do you recommend a pipe or a bong for it?
I too prefer the bong, It can be harsh with a pipe, with changa a bit of the dmt is unavoidably burnt.
 
These issues with aya brew sometimes not working or taking too much time to work are totally common. When I drink aya within a group of friends, there is almost always somebody who do not feel the effects properly.
We have some fruits at disposal to help with digestion, but it does not always help.
I am just lucky that I never have this problem, aya always works reliable for me.
 
These issues with aya brew sometimes not working or taking too much time to work are totally common. When I drink aya within a group of friends, there is almost always somebody who do not feel the effects properly.
We have some fruits at disposal to help with digestion, but it does not always help.
I am just lucky that I never have this problem, aya always works reliable for me.
In my case, I'm sure it has to do with my stomach tolerating poorly some of the stuff in mimosa, particularly the tannins. Maybe TMI, but in the vomit there are always some curds that look like they could be formed by tannins binding to protein. The egg tek seemed to help, but I'm not comfortable with storing a brew that includes leftover egg protein for the long term.
Next time I'll try some fruit, maybe half an apple or so. I'll definitely keep the honey, because it made the vomit burn much less and come out more smoothly.
 
In my case, I'm sure it has to do with my stomach tolerating poorly some of the stuff in mimosa, particularly the tannins. Maybe TMI, but in the vomit there are always some curds that look like they could be formed by tannins binding to protein. The egg tek seemed to help, but I'm not comfortable with storing a brew that includes leftover egg protein for the long term.
Next time I'll try some fruit, maybe half an apple or so. I'll definitely keep the honey, because it made the vomit burn much less and come out more smoothly.
How are you brewing it, exactly? Do you take it together or separately? On its own or with fruit juice?

I use Syrian Rue and Acacia Confusa in my brews. I boil my materials with a tablespoon of food-grade white vinegar per 2 litres, doing 3x3-litre washes, boiling it to all hell.

More importantly, what I found helped the most of all was making sure to filter the brews extremely well through the finest cloth I could find, before then reducing it down. I had a lot more issues when there was improperly filtered gunk in the brew. The remaining sediment from the Confusa seems fine on the stomach, though. Probably an artifact of reduction.

While I brew the Syrian Rue and Confusa separately, but I always mix them together before drinking, then also adding a bigger ratio of pure pear juice to emulate the sugar content in fresh Caapi vine. Taking them separately or having another dose would just make me vomit. Mixing in the pear juice seems to heighten the absorption of it, making vomiting much less probable. Also, not tasting the brew itself seems to help with settling the vomit reflex, as all I can smell and taste is pear juice, basically.

I almost never vomit now, unless I've not followed a careful diet...
 
How are you brewing it, exactly?
I usually do the three boils, combine, and reduce (the method you use). This last batch, I simmered it for some hours and then left it overnight at low heat (just below simmering point) to see if there was any difference in the result. There wasn't, only the sludge seemed to have become better suspended in the liquid. I always acidify before simmering, I used to use vinegar but I have switched to malic acid, as the resulting brew has a less strong flavor and smell that way.
I always do a fridge decant and filter it several times through a coffee filter.
Do you take it together or separately?
I have first the harmalas (a freebase extract) and 20-30 minutes later I drink the mimosa. The harmalas never have failed to exit the stomach, and lately their effect has become faster in its onset and more intense.
On its own or with fruit juice?
Usually on its own, this last time I had a spoonful of honey with the mimosa.

I use Syrian Rue and Acacia Confusa in my brews.
I haven't tried Acacia confusa, it's supposed to have less tannins but you also need more, right? If you have tried Mimosa hostilis, how does it compare? Both in stomach discomfort and in effects.
what I found helped the most of all was making sure to filter the brews extremely well through the finest cloth I could find, before then reducing it down
I agree, once I didn't properly filter and decant and the nausea was quite terrible. I use coffee filters and filter it several times, but amazingly a lot of gunk still seems to get through. Over the weeks I keep decanting the brew more times (usually before taking it), and my only nausea-free experience so far was with the last remains of a batch that I had been decanting for six weeks.
The remaining sediment from the Confusa seems fine on the stomach
Interesting, that's not the case with Mimosa at all. It may be worth a try then.

While I brew the Syrian Rue and Confusa separately, but I always mix them together before drinking, then also adding a bigger ratio of pure pear juice to emulate the sugar content in fresh Caapi vine. Taking them separately or having another dose would just make me vomit. Mixing in the pear juice seems to heighten the absorption of it, making vomiting much less probable. Also, not tasting the brew itself seems to help with settling the vomit reflex, as all I can smell and taste is pear juice, basically.
I will try that, then. When you say taking them separately would make you vomit, is it because of the taste or something else? I have been wondering if maybe the harmalas were causing that apparent slowdown in stomach emptying. Given that they lower blood sugar and have even some modest GLP-1 effects, it doesn't sound unreasonable. Luckily the taste doesn't bother me much, I never get nausea from drinking the brew itself, it comes later. If I drank rue tea it would definitely bother me, it's probably the worst flavor I have ever experienced.

Do you usually drink it on an empty stomach?

This is completely unrelated, but I was reflecting about it, and noticed that there has been an important change over time with how I approach nausea and stomach pain. At the beginning, it brought a lot of anxiety, negative feelings, bad memories from the past. There was a psychological component of the pain that doesn't seem to be present anymore; that may be the reason why now the only pain is the pain caused by gas (no anxiety pain). I have also become much less afraid of vomiting, and I understand much better that there's a voluntary component to it -- up to a point. I'm curious to see how it goes next time I have the flu, I'm getting a good training on many of its symptoms 😆
 
I usually do the three boils, combine, and reduce (the method you use). This last batch, I simmered it for some hours and then left it overnight at low heat (just below simmering point) to see if there was any difference in the result. There wasn't, only the sludge seemed to have become better suspended in the liquid. I always acidify before simmering, I used to use vinegar but I have switched to malic acid, as the resulting brew has a less strong flavor and smell that way.
I always do a fridge decant and filter it several times through a coffee filter.

I never bothered with that ~ I just filter each wash through a double-layered shirt into a separate pot, after waiting for it to cool, then dumping the material back into the brewing pot. It seems far superior to coffee filters, in my experience. You get two filters ~ back of shirt and front. Make sure it doesn't have holes and won't be worn.

I have first the harmalas (a freebase extract) and 20-30 minutes later I drink the mimosa. The harmalas never have failed to exit the stomach, and lately their effect has become faster in its onset and more intense.

I would mix them together ~ the native American shamans always mix the harmalas and DMT together, and they never seem to have lesser trip. Seems to matter more about the amount you're taking in total.

Usually on its own, this last time I had a spoonful of honey with the mimosa.

Then I'd suggest pear juice ~ more neutral flavour, masks the Rue and Confusa really well. Mimosa should be the same thing.

I haven't tried Acacia confusa, it's supposed to have less tannins but you also need more, right? If you have tried Mimosa hostilis, how does it compare? Both in stomach discomfort and in effects.

Haven't tried Mimosa, but I hear they're roughly about the same strength.

I agree, once I didn't properly filter and decant and the nausea was quite terrible. I use coffee filters and filter it several times, but amazingly a lot of gunk still seems to get through. Over the weeks I keep decanting the brew more times (usually before taking it), and my only nausea-free experience so far was with the last remains of a batch that I had been decanting for six weeks.

Oof, yeah, that seems like a long time to wait. A good shirt seems simply less painful. It seemed to work the best for me so far. Never had luck with coffee filters ~ everything takes too long, haha.

Interesting, that's not the case with Mimosa at all. It may be worth a try then.

Might just be a filtering issue, possibly.

I will try that, then. When you say taking them separately would make you vomit, is it because of the taste or something else? I have been wondering if maybe the harmalas were causing that apparent slowdown in stomach emptying. Given that they lower blood sugar and have even some modest GLP-1 effects, it doesn't sound unreasonable. Luckily the taste doesn't bother me much, I never get nausea from drinking the brew itself, it comes later. If I drank rue tea it would definitely bother me, it's probably the worst flavor I have ever experienced.

For me, it's the flavour, the texture, the vomit and nausea reflexes. Pear juice just makes that all go away. It seems to cause it to be absorbed quicker, anyways.

Do you usually drink it on an empty stomach?

Yeah, otherwise it takes forever to absorb and kick in.

This is completely unrelated, but I was reflecting about it, and noticed that there has been an important change over time with how I approach nausea and stomach pain. At the beginning, it brought a lot of anxiety, negative feelings, bad memories from the past. There was a psychological component of the pain that doesn't seem to be present anymore; that may be the reason why now the only pain is the pain caused by gas (no anxiety pain). I have also become much less afraid of vomiting, and I understand much better that there's a voluntary component to it -- up to a point. I'm curious to see how it goes next time I have the flu, I'm getting a good training on many of its symptoms

I ended up noticing something in my journeys ~ the less I resist it, and just flow with it, I have no urge to vomit. Well, except when the entities decide that, nah, you need it this time. I always sense the entities working on me. One time was the personification of Chaliponga shining powerful light onto me, that made me just sporadically vomit. Another time was Mother Ayahuasca working on healing me, but she appeared to be an evil witch casting a spell on me, which I resisted in that crazed state.

Lately, my journeys have become more and more lucid, with less and less need to vomit.
 
Acacia is maybe a bit easier body wise, and it's a nicer journey too. This plant is warm and cheerful in comparison to cold and sharp mimosa.
But you still need an egg-white filtration step. Barks have lots of tannins. Both of them are unsustainable for oral consumption, imo.
You can get a few years of serious work with them for sure, but you are going to part ways at some point.

Mimosa / Acacia tea is easy to prepare:
Powder your material > Cook in 30ml/g water at PH4 for 2–3 hours > filter coarse plant bits with sieve> let it sit overnight and filter again with cotton>
do an egg-white filtration, use coffee filter> reduce to drinking volume > let it sit in a fridge for a few days and filter again with coffee filter> reboil with honey before 1st use

Coffee filters would be superior to t-shirt, but it takes time. You end up with quite digestible tea that way.

I would mix them together ~ the native American shamans always mix the harmalas and DMT together, and they never seem to have lesser trip. Seems to matter more about the amount you're taking in total.
Rue + mimosa / acacia is not traditional, and rue isn't aya. I do add a bit of rue to my mimosa tea to boost harmalas if I would redose.
I drank one dose 20min apart for years with good results. Aya works a bit different.

Lately, my journeys have become more and more lucid, with less and less need to vomit.
I'm glad for you. Still, we are all different physiologically and not everyone gets sure effects from oral brew, like @doubledog mentioned.
When we find our workable recipe, we tend to stick with it for better or worse.
Purge has its place with oral use and I can easily make a brew that gonna work this way even for you ;)

All the best 🙏
 
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I always purge during aya session. I always had a sensitive stomach/body, so I am quite used to it. I would really like to avoid puking sometimes, but I did not find any way how to achieve it.
What I appreciate more is purging from different orifice 😃, not so unpleasant and feels much more as cleansing.
In general, purge itself is not a pleasant experience, but it is a sign of intensity.

Some people claim that it depends mainly on your energetic "purity", but my observation is that it is just a matter of personal sensitivity. But who knows, I am not an expert, I just love how a world shines filled with beauty and life afted aya.
 
Some people claim that it depends mainly on your energetic "purity", but my observation is that it is just a matter of personal sensitivity. But who knows, I am not an expert, I just love how a world shines filled with beauty and life afted aya.
I think given enough caapi, purging is kind of inevitable. I always purge with aya too, and it feels like a part of the process.
It feels like this energetic 'purity' comes with the right environment (deep jungle), a clean diet, and constant work with plants.
It's kind of impossible for modern people to replicate.
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In many traditional settings, vomiting is actually either part of the effect they seek or even the main effect. Even with mushrooms, Maria Sabina said that people came to her so the mushrooms would make them vomit and thus cure them, and if they didn't vomit she would vomit for them.

Also mestizo shamanism, that mixes traditional beliefs and practices with some newer ones, has some peculiar practices for purification that usually include frequent drinking a specific perfume (Agua de Florida) and even mouthwash and a disinfectant. Those are believed to have their own spirit, and used in a similar fashion to mapacho brews. Food for thought!
 
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