It depends 100% on our minds. The highest DMT state I've experienced isn't about visions or anything at all. It just brings me back to reality and opens it to infinity.
It's akin to a bright sky without any boundaries.
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It's akin to a bright sky without any boundaries.
The strongest vine I have encountered was very old fat vine with a lot of bark. Old thick vine with thick bark etc seems like it can be way stronger.
With the issue of over harvesting I can imagine a lot of people are getting younger and younger vine and I assume that can effect potency?
It seems like in reality everyone is having to go farther into the jungle, farther from Iquitos etc to get vine for sale. Maybe I’m wrong and people will say this actually is sustainable but it’s hard to believe to be honest. For these reasons I have refrained from using vine for years and put away the bit that I have left. I hope I’m wrong but it just doesn’t seem worth it to deplete a resource.
With the issue of over harvesting I can imagine a lot of people are getting younger and younger vine and I assume that can effect potency?
It seems like in reality everyone is having to go farther into the jungle, farther from Iquitos etc to get vine for sale. Maybe I’m wrong and people will say this actually is sustainable but it’s hard to believe to be honest. For these reasons I have refrained from using vine for years and put away the bit that I have left. I hope I’m wrong but it just doesn’t seem worth it to deplete a resource.
Hm, I remember having read that it was being grown as a cash crop for export. I will look into it, if it's being over harvested for export I'll have to abstain from it as well. An experience like this makes no sense if it makes the plant disappear.
Afaik it is being grown on farms..but it’s also true that there’s less and less wild vine. The problem is determining who’s actually honest.
My strongest vine was Tigre caapi from Putumayo Colombia. It physiologically changed my sensitivity to harmalas.
In my last ceremony with muricata vine, I realized I'd be better off using rue. Ayahuasca is already endangered, and she showed me where the real magic is.
It's better to leave her for people who truly need her guidance
doubledog
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I use caapi vine grown in farms, not harvested in the jungle.
I am also a big fan of chaliponga. It's wild and crazy and I prefer it like that, after I tried it for the first time, I've never go back to mimosa or chacruna. Never had acacia.
Btw. I have extracted harmala alkaloids from various vine batches and even from various ayahuasca brews, prepared in South America or in Europe. Lot of variability between vines, young caapi is weaker than older, and various brews differ also a lot. No wonder that reaching desired experience is so difficult for some with improper preparation.
I am also a big fan of chaliponga. It's wild and crazy and I prefer it like that, after I tried it for the first time, I've never go back to mimosa or chacruna. Never had acacia.
Btw. I have extracted harmala alkaloids from various vine batches and even from various ayahuasca brews, prepared in South America or in Europe. Lot of variability between vines, young caapi is weaker than older, and various brews differ also a lot. No wonder that reaching desired experience is so difficult for some with improper preparation.
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The good old days when Hawaiian Chacruna was available... I find it hard to imagine that one would stop desiring it as long as it is available.
I haven't been able to have an experience for the past two weeks: I had some visitors for a week and then there was a big wildfire that reached the proximities of the village. Hopefully this week I'll be able to.
I want to report on a change I've observed since my experience with mimosa CWE about one month ago. That experience caused me a lot of stomach pain. Well, it may be coincidence, but since then my appetite has been much less. I tend to eat too much unless I make an effort not to, and I get a compulsion to eat when I'm more stressed. I was already making an effort to eat less, but since that experience the effort is very little. Even with the stress of visitors, the fire, and my final project deadline getting closer, it has still been easy to stay in a caloric deficit. At first I thought it would be an after effect of having strong stomach pain for some hours, but it's been one month and it's still the same.
I want to report on a change I've observed since my experience with mimosa CWE about one month ago. That experience caused me a lot of stomach pain. Well, it may be coincidence, but since then my appetite has been much less. I tend to eat too much unless I make an effort not to, and I get a compulsion to eat when I'm more stressed. I was already making an effort to eat less, but since that experience the effort is very little. Even with the stress of visitors, the fire, and my final project deadline getting closer, it has still been easy to stay in a caloric deficit. At first I thought it would be an after effect of having strong stomach pain for some hours, but it's been one month and it's still the same.
XVIII log update:
Dose: 75g B. muricata (75ml brew) @ T-00:30 + 40mg DMT freebase @ T+00:00 + a total of seven puffs of weak DMT freebase vape juice @ T+01:20. With empty stomach, fasted for 24 hours. At night.
I had a lot of resistance before this experience. For the last three weeks I hadn't had a good occasion for an Aya session, and after some stressful events I was in a negative, anxious mindset. In fact I had decided that very same day that in the end I wasn't going to have it, but after taking a pinch of sublingual harmalas in the afternoon, I was able to open up to the idea again and determined to do it.
I originally wanted to try the Mimosa vodka tincture, but as I'm also experimenting with vine and was at a difficult mental spot, I didn't want to add more new variables to the experience. So I'll try that next time.
I was again surprised by the fact that the vine brew tastes almost good, without the vinegar and with some honey it would taste good. The worst looking brew of them all turns out to be the least disgusting to actually drink.
I had nausea while waiting to take the DMT, and was about to vomit a couple of times. However it subsided, and once I had the DMT and headed upstairs I was feeling good.
Unfortunately, once again DMT caused me a lot of gas: as soon as the distinct light from DMT started to appear, I felt how I was starting to bloat. I changed from laying down into a kind of "child's pose" posture, and it seemed to help. But the bloating stayed there for the whole experience, pushing hard against my stomach and pushing the experience a little bit more into dark areas.
At first, some stunning visuals started to appear, quite colorful, complex, and detailed. There were many ideas flying through my head there, so it's hard to remember specifics, except for an insight that stuck: the state my mind is in is because I "hide" inside of it. As no one else can directly experience it, I don't bother to keep it in a good state. I was raised under a lot of control, surveillance, and criticism, and that led me to care mostly about avoiding external punishment and judgement in my actions, instead of the nature of the actions themselves, or their other outcomes. My mind was always a refuge from that, but that also had the negative long-term effect of a "no consequences" attitude to it that wasn't true. There is nothing that can have bigger consequences than a poorly kept mind, but they're not obvious and not immediate.
At several points, the tryptamine-style visuals disintegrated and I had the feeling of piercing through a veil and seeing very realistic views of some places in this world. I saw a beach with a full moon, some grasslands, and towards the end an African savannah, where some masai-style tribesmen surrounded me (in a non-threatening way). Then it went back into the tryptamine-style visuals and the tribesmen superposed into a single, patterned Warrior archetype. This felt quite exhilarating and had a positive emotional valence.
I had more insights in the form of feelings of inadequacy, guilt, and fear. They were intense and I jumped form one to the other, my mind was dwelling into and indulging in all kinds of fearful fantasies that I usually try to avoid getting into. I saw how my fears about job searches are related to interpreting job interviews as a final evaluation of my character and worth. And also I realized how I feel unworthy of being employed anywhere. During my childhood a lot was demanded from me and nothing was given back in exchange (most of what was given was done pointing out that it was very undeserved on my part), so I always feel like getting a salary is undeserved by me and in-debts me to "my benefactor". My ideas about the nature of salaries are very far away from something like that (much closer to Marx's), so it's very ironic that this is how I feel when it applies to myself.
I could also realize how I'm constantly trying to hide from a non-existent all-seeing eye that will judge me. That makes me put barriers between me and everybody else, including people I like or even love. And a feeling of guilt as something part of who I am: not guilt about something but just guilt for the fact of being, as if me being were some kind of original sin. I also often have a feeling of physical danger/threat, no matter the environment. I realized this is what makes me more scared of the possibility of a breakthrough vaporized dose: I don't feel physically safe. However it's not a problem of setting, but of set.
I wish I would have purged, it would have felt good in this situation, but I didn't have the slightest nausea. Only bloating and a lot of gas.
After the first dose had descended enough, I started vaping some puffs from a very weak DMT e-juice I made (in a sub-ohm atomizer). I was curious of trying this, but I think I should just have had a second 40mg dose instead. The effects from vaping were intense for a short while, but quite chaotic and lacking any wisdom or structure, it was more intensity for intensity's sake. It felt much colder and more abstract than the effects from an oral dose, and way too short. I had a total of 7 puffs (I know this because the mod has a puff counter, I would have no idea otherwise) over an hour or so. It did prolong my aforementioned feelings and reflections, but it went nowhere new.
I was more or less done after three hours from my initial DMT dose (three and a half since drinking the vine), although the effects kept going on stronger than I initially thought. While trying to sleep, the same type of fearful fantasies kept going, and as I fell asleep I had some moments where it again seemed like a strong trip.
I woke up tired but feeling calmer than I was before. I will have another session soon, as I know it will be very good to go deeper. The vine I have is not too strong, so next time I'll have 100g. 75g was much better than 50g, but it still didn't take me as deep as 230mg rue harmalas do.
Dose: 75g B. muricata (75ml brew) @ T-00:30 + 40mg DMT freebase @ T+00:00 + a total of seven puffs of weak DMT freebase vape juice @ T+01:20. With empty stomach, fasted for 24 hours. At night.
I had a lot of resistance before this experience. For the last three weeks I hadn't had a good occasion for an Aya session, and after some stressful events I was in a negative, anxious mindset. In fact I had decided that very same day that in the end I wasn't going to have it, but after taking a pinch of sublingual harmalas in the afternoon, I was able to open up to the idea again and determined to do it.
I originally wanted to try the Mimosa vodka tincture, but as I'm also experimenting with vine and was at a difficult mental spot, I didn't want to add more new variables to the experience. So I'll try that next time.
I was again surprised by the fact that the vine brew tastes almost good, without the vinegar and with some honey it would taste good. The worst looking brew of them all turns out to be the least disgusting to actually drink.
I had nausea while waiting to take the DMT, and was about to vomit a couple of times. However it subsided, and once I had the DMT and headed upstairs I was feeling good.
Unfortunately, once again DMT caused me a lot of gas: as soon as the distinct light from DMT started to appear, I felt how I was starting to bloat. I changed from laying down into a kind of "child's pose" posture, and it seemed to help. But the bloating stayed there for the whole experience, pushing hard against my stomach and pushing the experience a little bit more into dark areas.
At first, some stunning visuals started to appear, quite colorful, complex, and detailed. There were many ideas flying through my head there, so it's hard to remember specifics, except for an insight that stuck: the state my mind is in is because I "hide" inside of it. As no one else can directly experience it, I don't bother to keep it in a good state. I was raised under a lot of control, surveillance, and criticism, and that led me to care mostly about avoiding external punishment and judgement in my actions, instead of the nature of the actions themselves, or their other outcomes. My mind was always a refuge from that, but that also had the negative long-term effect of a "no consequences" attitude to it that wasn't true. There is nothing that can have bigger consequences than a poorly kept mind, but they're not obvious and not immediate.
At several points, the tryptamine-style visuals disintegrated and I had the feeling of piercing through a veil and seeing very realistic views of some places in this world. I saw a beach with a full moon, some grasslands, and towards the end an African savannah, where some masai-style tribesmen surrounded me (in a non-threatening way). Then it went back into the tryptamine-style visuals and the tribesmen superposed into a single, patterned Warrior archetype. This felt quite exhilarating and had a positive emotional valence.
I had more insights in the form of feelings of inadequacy, guilt, and fear. They were intense and I jumped form one to the other, my mind was dwelling into and indulging in all kinds of fearful fantasies that I usually try to avoid getting into. I saw how my fears about job searches are related to interpreting job interviews as a final evaluation of my character and worth. And also I realized how I feel unworthy of being employed anywhere. During my childhood a lot was demanded from me and nothing was given back in exchange (most of what was given was done pointing out that it was very undeserved on my part), so I always feel like getting a salary is undeserved by me and in-debts me to "my benefactor". My ideas about the nature of salaries are very far away from something like that (much closer to Marx's), so it's very ironic that this is how I feel when it applies to myself.
I could also realize how I'm constantly trying to hide from a non-existent all-seeing eye that will judge me. That makes me put barriers between me and everybody else, including people I like or even love. And a feeling of guilt as something part of who I am: not guilt about something but just guilt for the fact of being, as if me being were some kind of original sin. I also often have a feeling of physical danger/threat, no matter the environment. I realized this is what makes me more scared of the possibility of a breakthrough vaporized dose: I don't feel physically safe. However it's not a problem of setting, but of set.
I wish I would have purged, it would have felt good in this situation, but I didn't have the slightest nausea. Only bloating and a lot of gas.
After the first dose had descended enough, I started vaping some puffs from a very weak DMT e-juice I made (in a sub-ohm atomizer). I was curious of trying this, but I think I should just have had a second 40mg dose instead. The effects from vaping were intense for a short while, but quite chaotic and lacking any wisdom or structure, it was more intensity for intensity's sake. It felt much colder and more abstract than the effects from an oral dose, and way too short. I had a total of 7 puffs (I know this because the mod has a puff counter, I would have no idea otherwise) over an hour or so. It did prolong my aforementioned feelings and reflections, but it went nowhere new.
I was more or less done after three hours from my initial DMT dose (three and a half since drinking the vine), although the effects kept going on stronger than I initially thought. While trying to sleep, the same type of fearful fantasies kept going, and as I fell asleep I had some moments where it again seemed like a strong trip.
I woke up tired but feeling calmer than I was before. I will have another session soon, as I know it will be very good to go deeper. The vine I have is not too strong, so next time I'll have 100g. 75g was much better than 50g, but it still didn't take me as deep as 230mg rue harmalas do.
It feels like one more beneficial experience. Your reflections about guilt and self-worth resonated heavily with me.
However, it's not something other or alien, but a deeper part of me. After that insight, I stopped hiding from myself. Occasionally, I would feel like someone was watching me, but then I realized that it was me
When it comes to vaping DMT, I think it's a different medicine. Maybe sub-breakthrough doses could be therapeutic, but higher ones seem to be more about exploration.
To each his own. I prefer to dive deep for a few hours in a medicine space and work on my psyche. I came to this work for healing, so exploration can wait.
Thanks for sharing. All the best on your path
Some years ago, I realized that this all-seeing eye or God watches me through my own eyes. There is no hiding because this presence is always here.
However, it's not something other or alien, but a deeper part of me. After that insight, I stopped hiding from myself. Occasionally, I would feel like someone was watching me, but then I realized that it was me
When it comes to vaping DMT, I think it's a different medicine. Maybe sub-breakthrough doses could be therapeutic, but higher ones seem to be more about exploration.
To each his own. I prefer to dive deep for a few hours in a medicine space and work on my psyche. I came to this work for healing, so exploration can wait.
Thanks for sharing. All the best on your path
Your reportage on your evolving aya sessions is fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing. You seem to be experiencing deep personal insights. I very much enjoyed your discussion around the concept of hiding in one's own mind.
This is an excellent insight. Like most good insights, it's obvious in retrospective, but I had never considered it. I was making the mistake of focusing too much of the causal roots of this "eye" instead of its nature. And its nature is the mind. Thank you for this, I'll be thinking about it.Some years ago, I realized that this all-seeing eye or God watches me through my own eyes. There is no hiding because this presence is always here.
However, it's not something other or alien, but a deeper part of me. After that insight, I stopped hiding from myself. Occasionally, I would feel like someone was watching me, but then I realized that it was me
Thank you Pandora! It's very helpful for me to write it down, going through the memories of the experience helps consolidate the lessons. Somehow I feel self conscious when taking personal notes, and much less when writing them down publicly here.
I forgot to mention another insight: "I am everything that I criticize". It's not the first time I see that, but over time the realization fades, so it's good to refresh it. It fades because I dislike it and wish it weren't true. But it is, and the first thing I need to do about it is to stop disliking this fact.
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Sicho Naut
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Regarding bloating and gas from freebase: there's a good chance that using DMT fumarate would take care of that. I've read several reports of people switching to fumarate and it resolving all gastro-internal issues. Based on my one experience with (low dose) fumarate so far, the same seems to be true for me.
(It seems that for many people, including myself, the salt form has to be fumarate and not say citrate or phosphate by dissolving freebase into lemon juice or coca-cola respectively, which still gives GI issues. I don't know why, but this seems to be true for many.)
(It seems that for many people, including myself, the salt form has to be fumarate and not say citrate or phosphate by dissolving freebase into lemon juice or coca-cola respectively, which still gives GI issues. I don't know why, but this seems to be true for many.)
That's exactly what I was going to ask after reading the first part, as I'm dissolving the freebase in acidic juices.
Very interesting to know that this issue is more widespread. Thanks for this info, as soon as I can get fumaric acid I'll do FASA and give it a try.
Do you have bloating with other psychedelics? I only have a little with LSD. But with DMT it tends to be a lot.
The only thing I've really ever had stomach issues on was freebase DMT or freebase mixed with lemon juice. Fumarate should be much more gentle 
DMT, psilocybin, mescaline etc can all make me bloated and crampy when taken orally. I think there’s reason to believe serotonin itself can cause some gut inflammation as well.
Psyllium Whole Husks, taken the day before a ceremony or in the morning before a night ceremony, works well for me.
It eases any bloating and makes bowel purging easier if it happens.
Just be sure to drink a lot of water after taking it, and never take fiber right before the medicine.
I like this stuff, but there are a lot of labels on the market:
It eases any bloating and makes bowel purging easier if it happens.
Just be sure to drink a lot of water after taking it, and never take fiber right before the medicine.
I like this stuff, but there are a lot of labels on the market:
Sicho Naut
Established member
Sometimes a bit on LSD, but mostly during the come-down, for whatever reason.
Not sure about other psychedelics because for the past 6 years or so I've only been doing DMT in various forms and LSD.
XIX log update:
Dose: 230mg harmala freebase (from Rue) @ T-00:30 + 3ml tincture (equivalent to 1.5g Mimosa) @ T+00:00 + 3ml tincture (same) @ T+01:00. With empty stomach, fasted for 10 hours. Very late at night.
This was an experiment to try the tannin-free Mimosa tincture made following @Transform 's tek. As he had warned of signs of potential convulsant activity, I had a lower dose than I would have otherwise. So this was mainly an experiment to see the effects.
Due to some noise from the neighbors next door getting ready to leave the village the next day, I had to take it very late at night. The effects from the harmala alkaloids proved to me that the muricata doses I've had were low (and thus the material I have is weak): I started feeling as if transported to another world before I even drank the tincture.
The tincture had a very mild flavor, not unpleasant at all. Combined with the fact that it's so little volume of liquid, it was very easy to drink. This is a good plus. I couldn't feel any tannin dryness in my mouth (as it's supposed to be).
When I went upstairs, I found out I had forgotten to prepare some basics (bring there my mp3 player and earphones, a second blanket, a pillow...) and as I was already feeling effects come up, I frantically went downstairs to look for all I needed. It was difficult to find in the state I was in, and when I finally got it all my heart was pounding. I think I'm going to write down a checklist for the next time, because this is not a good way to start an experience, and I tend to be forgetful.
As I laid down, I felt profoundly relaxed. Soon, strong flashes of vibrating light appeared, and over time they developed into phantasmagorical, flickering images. Their style was very much that of Mimosa CEVs as opposed to pure DMT (at least for me): less well defined but somehow more realistic, quickly shifting (in this case they flickered fast and over time a new image started alternating with the old one during the flicker and finally replaced it), and with a feeling of "space" to them. So the tincture must have successfully extracted other actives besides DMT.
The content of the CEVs this time was very unusual for me, and somewhat embarrassing to recall. There were many women, specifically young women, very beautiful and often acting in a very sexually provocative way. Some of them naked. At times it was not sexual but they were looking upwards as if in prayer while crying. Over time, the images started being predominantly in an anime style (and I don't usually watch anime). Despite the high amount of sexual content, the feeling was one of sadness. I don't know why.
After some time, the CEVs started to become more abstract, and I think I would have started to have realistic-type visions if the dose had been higher. I started to have many complex trains of thought that I can't recall well. Part of it is due to it being unusually late, so I was tired and I think at some points I was drifting into a state not far from dreaming. I remembered many good moments of my life and friends I appreciate but haven't seen in a long time. I realized how their image had been slowly fading from my mind: now I could see them again clearly, as they are, a very fresh and vivid image. I'm going to reach out to them soon.
I also saw clearly the reason I misinterpreted @fink 's recent posts: the real problem is not how they were written, but that some posts he made before triggered some very negative associations, and so I was predisposed to misinterpreting it from the beginning. I apologize for that @fink , I was harsh just due to my own misinterpretations and issues.
At many points I could feel different presences, most of them benevolent. Unlike other times, I had no gastric discomfort (very slight bloating, but not uncomfortable) and didn't have muscle tension, I was very relaxed and felt safe and comfortable. So about three and a half hours in, everything started getting more and more dreamy, and eventually I fell asleep. When I woke up (five and a half hours after taking the Mimosa) there were still noticeable effects, although not strong. I went to bed, and when I woke up this morning I was still having tracers, at T+9:00! This is very unusual for me, also considering that the dose was not too high.
So the tincture worked perfectly, and it's exactly what I was looking for: the Mimosa effects without stomach pain. The tek is great and it's going to be my go-to way of preparing Mimosa. So thank you @Transform! As I didn't perceive any worrying effects, I'm going to try a higher dose with harmalas next time. And if it works well, I'll combine it with B. muricata.
Dose: 230mg harmala freebase (from Rue) @ T-00:30 + 3ml tincture (equivalent to 1.5g Mimosa) @ T+00:00 + 3ml tincture (same) @ T+01:00. With empty stomach, fasted for 10 hours. Very late at night.
This was an experiment to try the tannin-free Mimosa tincture made following @Transform 's tek. As he had warned of signs of potential convulsant activity, I had a lower dose than I would have otherwise. So this was mainly an experiment to see the effects.
Due to some noise from the neighbors next door getting ready to leave the village the next day, I had to take it very late at night. The effects from the harmala alkaloids proved to me that the muricata doses I've had were low (and thus the material I have is weak): I started feeling as if transported to another world before I even drank the tincture.
The tincture had a very mild flavor, not unpleasant at all. Combined with the fact that it's so little volume of liquid, it was very easy to drink. This is a good plus. I couldn't feel any tannin dryness in my mouth (as it's supposed to be).
When I went upstairs, I found out I had forgotten to prepare some basics (bring there my mp3 player and earphones, a second blanket, a pillow...) and as I was already feeling effects come up, I frantically went downstairs to look for all I needed. It was difficult to find in the state I was in, and when I finally got it all my heart was pounding. I think I'm going to write down a checklist for the next time, because this is not a good way to start an experience, and I tend to be forgetful.
As I laid down, I felt profoundly relaxed. Soon, strong flashes of vibrating light appeared, and over time they developed into phantasmagorical, flickering images. Their style was very much that of Mimosa CEVs as opposed to pure DMT (at least for me): less well defined but somehow more realistic, quickly shifting (in this case they flickered fast and over time a new image started alternating with the old one during the flicker and finally replaced it), and with a feeling of "space" to them. So the tincture must have successfully extracted other actives besides DMT.
The content of the CEVs this time was very unusual for me, and somewhat embarrassing to recall. There were many women, specifically young women, very beautiful and often acting in a very sexually provocative way. Some of them naked. At times it was not sexual but they were looking upwards as if in prayer while crying. Over time, the images started being predominantly in an anime style (and I don't usually watch anime). Despite the high amount of sexual content, the feeling was one of sadness. I don't know why.
After some time, the CEVs started to become more abstract, and I think I would have started to have realistic-type visions if the dose had been higher. I started to have many complex trains of thought that I can't recall well. Part of it is due to it being unusually late, so I was tired and I think at some points I was drifting into a state not far from dreaming. I remembered many good moments of my life and friends I appreciate but haven't seen in a long time. I realized how their image had been slowly fading from my mind: now I could see them again clearly, as they are, a very fresh and vivid image. I'm going to reach out to them soon.
I also saw clearly the reason I misinterpreted @fink 's recent posts: the real problem is not how they were written, but that some posts he made before triggered some very negative associations, and so I was predisposed to misinterpreting it from the beginning. I apologize for that @fink , I was harsh just due to my own misinterpretations and issues.
At many points I could feel different presences, most of them benevolent. Unlike other times, I had no gastric discomfort (very slight bloating, but not uncomfortable) and didn't have muscle tension, I was very relaxed and felt safe and comfortable. So about three and a half hours in, everything started getting more and more dreamy, and eventually I fell asleep. When I woke up (five and a half hours after taking the Mimosa) there were still noticeable effects, although not strong. I went to bed, and when I woke up this morning I was still having tracers, at T+9:00! This is very unusual for me, also considering that the dose was not too high.
So the tincture worked perfectly, and it's exactly what I was looking for: the Mimosa effects without stomach pain. The tek is great and it's going to be my go-to way of preparing Mimosa. So thank you @Transform! As I didn't perceive any worrying effects, I'm going to try a higher dose with harmalas next time. And if it works well, I'll combine it with B. muricata.