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Boiling down extractions...

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halou

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I am wondering if there is anything conclusive out there regarding the dangers(or lack of) when boiling down dmt extractions ... I often boil my extract solution down, pre defat as there is simply litres of it, for any reasonable sized extraction from acacia bark (anything over 1g dmt yield). But im not sure if i am losing product or not..
 
So you boil it down after extracting. Hmmm., if you're doing an AB extraction, the pH will drop as you lose volume, since you start messing with the ratio of hydrogen ions with water. I'm not sure what this would do any harm. What I'd to to play it sae is test the pH periodically and add a base, keeping it a 4 until the desired volume is aquired.
 
I've been wondering this myself.. sorry i can't really give you any answers but, could you clarify your question? i'm guessing you mean (at least this is what i've been wondering): you're doing an AB extraction, and when you combine the initial three acid simmers you have a heap of water you need to work with, better to reduce this and work with a lower quantity.. the question would be, does the reducing of these combined acid cooks damage / destroy the dmt in there? i think the answer isn't that simple either.. depends on what acid you have used. if you used hydrochloric acid, you will have dmt.hydrochloride. hence you need to know the properties of dmt.hydrochloride (melting / boiling point specifically) to see if your dmt.hcl is maybe being vaporised at the temp you are reducing at.. likewise for the use of vinegar (acetic acid), you'd need to know the dmt.acetate properties to decide if you're causing harm or not to be honest, i'd suspect not.. but you can test, say you have 10 litres of liquid grab 1 litre of it, and extract from it reduce 1 litre of it to say 300mL, and extract from that do the EXACT same thing on each and compare and let us know the results :D what acid are you using?
 
If your using HCl your acid will get stronger and stronger as you boil down and may possibly cause damage? If you are using vinegar your acid gets stronger to a point and then stays the same as you boil it down. This is what I was told anyway but I am no chemist. From experience SWIM can tell you that he always boil down with no problems at all. :D
 
My friends who know these things have never tried boiling down the volume of acid extract, but it makes sense if you can evaporate with out 'boiling' (a fan placed over warmed water will work too). Swim says that 55 Deg C is the most she'll heat the acid-extraction to. Anyone else heard this ..? Someone said that higher temps (>55 deg C) can break appart the dmt molecule, or let it react with other stuff in solution. Swim used to wonder if heating the acid-phase was able to make 5-Me-O-dmt from the alkaloid mix in the filtered, acid extracxt...? Some of the spice from these heated extractions were wickedly potent. Swim always used to put the acid-extraction jug in a bath of hot water (55 Deg C) for 8 - 12 hours, but the last time she tried extracting from MHRB she did it at room temp, using a pH of 1.6 - 2.0, allowing 24 hours between acid-treatments. The yeild was phenomenal, and she now believes that with pulverized MHRB, a strong acid soak (pH 2 or 1.5) at room temp is all it takes. But she's still learning all the tricks...
 
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