Boiling to make 10x caapi leaf?

[somethingsintheway]

I have been doing a lot of research and there isn't a whole lot of information on this, it was kind of by accident that I stumbled on the idea. Some people have stated that it is possible to make a 10x caapi leaf by taking 10g of caapi leaf, boiling it down, and then letting the rest evaporate onto 1g of caapi leaf. This all sounds reasonable, but I get hung up on the details. My first question makes me feel slightly retarded: Am I supposed to boil the 10g of caapi leaf in water? That being said, if it is water I assume it would take quite some time to evaporate after applied to the 1g of caapi. How long should it boil for? 2 hours? 3 hours? Any information on this topic would be awesome. I have used the search function on the nexus as well as searching on google and haven't come to a answer for the questions I asked. Thanks!

 

[۩]

A 3 hour boil in water should be efficient. Or you could do 2 x 1.5 hour washes, combining the teas after filtering and reducing. Just depends on how you want to do it. Have fun!

 

[ayalove]

lol house you were talking about this last night on chat I have some questions of my own though. After you make the tea, Im guessing from 9grams, do you boil it down and then let it soak up into the remaining one gram? If i use a plug in heater to dry it out will it mess with any of the alks?

 

[۩]

Use 10g otherwise you are just making 9x
Yes you boil it down after filtering the leaf material out, and when it gets low, you just add a gram of leaf and it will absorb slowly. Whatever heating/drying method you use, just make sure it doesn't burn! Harmalas are quite stable.

 

[ayalove]

cool! i dont know why I was so baffled.

 

[PrimalWisdom]

This method makes kick-ass caapi leaf for changa. I'll never use a solvent again after doing this.

I just boiled it for 3 x 30 mins, combined pulls and then reduced added to leaf and let dry for a few days. It's a lot smoother than the solvent produced caapi leaf I've made in the past.

Peace
PW

 

[tony]

Use 10g otherwise you are just making 9x

I was wondering about this and I think I see a flaw in it, but I could be misunderstanding something.

Ok so I made 20x leaf, that is to say I boiled 40g and evapped it onto 2g, which gave me about 6g final leaf... this 6g is not 20x though is it? It is about 7x, since 1g of the final leaf would contain roughly 7g's worth of the crude caapi extract?

Am I wrong about this, or do we just label it the way we do for ease?

 

[smokerx]

so I made 20x leaf, that is to say I boiled 40g and evapped it onto 2g, which gave me about 6g final leaf... this 6g is not 20x though is it? It is about 7x, since 1g of the final leaf would contain roughly 7g's worth of the crude caapi extract?

Am I wrong about this, or do we just label it the way we do for ease?

hope I get it right

so 40g evapped to 2g should be 21x

 

[ayalove]

nah it would be 20x

 

[smokerx]

nah it would be 20x

are you sure ? 40g to 2g = 40 + 2 = 42 and 42/2= 21x

if you evap 20g on 1g that = 21x (20+1)

Before I was actually corrected here on nexus I thought the same as you

But I may be wrong can anyone else comment on this ?

 

[tony]

nah it would be 20x

are you sure ? 40g to 2g = 40 + 2 = 42 and 42/2= 21x

Only if the 2g stays 2g, which it doesn't. The final strength is to do with what factor the strength is by weight. So if you can evap 40g onto 2g without having the 2g increase in weight at all then you will have 2g of 21x caapi... but that's not what happens.

40g to 2g will result in about 6g of "21x" caapi leaf... but if it is 6g then by weight it is not 21X, it is less 7x. 1g of your final "21x" leaf will contain roughly 7g worth of caapi alkaloids. I'm almost certain we are mislabeling it. Think about it, if you buy 1g of 15x salvia then you expect that the 1g has 15g worth of extract on it.

6g of final leaf, so 42/6 = 7

I'm not saying you will end up with exactly 6g, that was just my experience, but you will certainly have a similar increase in weight. When you boil up caapi leaves the resulting liquid is not a nice clear, weightless stuff.. it is thick, black heavy stuff.

 

[ayalove]

Lol 1 gram of leaf has been enhanced 20 times. If you enhance a gram with another gram it would be enhanced one time, making it 1x not 2x.

 

[smokerx]

Lol 1 gram of leaf has been enhanced 20 times. If you enhance a gram with another gram it would be enhanced one time, making it 1x not 2x.

If you take 20g of caapi leafs and evap it onto another 1g of caapi leafs you get 21x not 20x

20g + 1g = 21g so its strength of 21g in one gram. therefore 21x (21g) stronger then 1x (1g)

if you evap 1g onto another 1g you get 2g = 2x stronger then 1x

ok ?

 

[ChaoticMethod]

Lol 1 gram of leaf has been enhanced 20 times. If you enhance a gram with another gram it would be enhanced one time, making it 1x not 2x.

No it doesn't.

smokerx got it right.

One gram enhenced with another gram would be 2X, as in "twice the potency" of a regular gram.

 

[smokerx]

Only if the 2g stays 2g, which it doesn't. The final strength is to do with what factor the strength is by weight. So if you can evap 40g onto 2g without having the 2g increase in weight at all then you will have 2g of 21x caapi... but that's not what happens.

40g to 2g will result in about 6g of "21x" caapi leaf... but if it is 6g then by weight it is not 21X, it is less 7x. 1g of your final "21x" leaf will contain roughly 7g worth of caapi alkaloids. I'm almost certain we are mislabeling it. Think about it, if you buy 1g of 15x salvia then you expect that the 1g has 15g worth of extract on it.

6g of final leaf, so 42/6 = 7

I'm not saying you will end up with exactly 6g, that was just my experience, but you will certainly have a similar increase in weight. When you boil up caapi leaves the resulting liquid is not a nice clear, weightless stuff.. it is thick, black heavy stuff.

I understand what you are saying. So basically you have now 7x caapi right ?

Thats why with salvia you probably never get 15x when you buy 15x salvia (that's why I made it my self)

 

[tony]

Lol 1 gram of leaf has been enhanced 20 times. If you enhance a gram with another gram it would be enhanced one time, making it 1x not 2x.

1x is not enhanced at all. 1x is just plain leaf. It's to do with the strength factor. 2x means twice as strong as normal. 20x means 20x as strong.

Ok lets work backwards, if someone gives me 1g of 20x caapi then I would expect that the gram I have has 20g worth of extract on it... That is not the case with caapi made using the numbers in this thread. Using the numbers in this thread (40g onto 2g) results in about 6g of leaf... So if I give someone 1g of that and tell them it has 20x the strength then I am lying, since the 1g only has 7g's worth.

It is 7x caapi. Any other label for it is just misleading yourself.

 

[ayalove]

Lol 1 gram of leaf has been enhanced 20 times. If you enhance a gram with another gram it would be enhanced one time, making it 1x not 2x.

1x is not enhanced at all. 1x is just plain leaf. It's to do with the strength factor. 2x means twice as strong as normal. 20x means 20x as strong.

Ok lets work backwards, if someone gives me 1g of 20x caapi then I would expect that the gram I have has 20g worth of extract on it... That is not the case with caapi made using the numbers in this thread. Using the numbers in this thread (40g onto 2g) results in about 6g of leaf... So if I give someone 1g of that and tell them it has 20x the strength then I am lying, since the 1g only has 7g's worth.

It is 7x caapi. Any other label for it is just misleading yourself.

No it doesn't.

smokerx got it right.

One gram enhenced with another gram would be 2X, as in "twice the potency" of a regular gram.

yeah i thought id mess with you guys a little bit :lol:

 

[Infectedstyle]

Would this method work for other herbs aswell? Like for example Calea Z? I'm excited to make some extracts of those.

 

[behindthelight]

Ok, so I have never heard of Caapi "Leaf". I am just familiar with Caapi Vine. Should I be able to get this caapi leaf at the same places that have caapi vine?

 

[wrists]

thanks for clearing this up for me
I'm gonna go with the 10x and see what that does for my first changa batch.