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Stoner420 said:
I don’t know who you are. I don’t know how you were raised were brought up in life, but I’m not an animal abuser if that’s what you’re trying to get at there’s people who yelled at people like myself for growing mushrooms saying oh the more you grow mushrooms the more you grow weed the more you grow this you’re gonna destroy the population to me. There’s so many things in the world that people are going to be against like yourself being against me, owning these two creatures.

At the end of the day, there’s people who own snakes that don’t belong inside of a terrarium there’s people who own cats and dogs who shouldn’t be locked in the house all day. There’s a lot of things that we do every single day of our lives that might not affect human But can affect animals, but that’s just the world we live in for me like I said it was a one time thing I did and if I do it again, it would probably be the same exact way and I’m not saying that what I do is the right thing but it’s also not the wrong thingand I don’t compare myself to a toad. We’re human beings.

And just like they said before, I’m not looking for anybody’s validation or concerns if you don’t like the way, I am doing things that’s OK. I’m not worried about what other people think since you’re not here looking at what I do with them, but I respect the fact that you’re looking out for the little guys, but they are no offense no different than any other pet. You can buy them without a license and you can dispose of them without anyone knowing It’s not a human being. It is an animal and I guess I’m raised and brought up differently than others. If I was a piece of shit, I would probably just not feed him not give a shit milk them until they die

That’s not the case though.
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I didn't want to start a debate on anything. This isn't about the kind of person you are but just about this thread and your action. To put it in a very simple way: intentionally scaring an animal, especially making him believe he's about to die, just to get high on their poison, when there are countless alternatives, is messed up. I understand that you can't see that and i'm sorry for that. This is not a moral judgement per se, it's just that if you see them as inferior beings, it's very likely you won't receive anything good from them. You're free to disregard my posts but this isn't really a matter of opinion. There's nothing else to say beyond this on my part.
 
@CosmicRiver , I understand your point of view and, while I don't fully share it, I can empathize with it. I think it would have been better to pose the question in more abstract terms about what is right and wrong when dealing with other living beings, perhaps even in a different thread. Framing it in more personal terms tends to activate identity and attachment to it, and makes it less productive in general. And here I don't think we're dealing with some outrageous abuse, even though some people could morally object to it. Just my opinion on it, as in the past I've seen by myself that it's easier to get your points through when you avoid activating identity-related parts in others.
 
CosmicRiver said:
I didn't want to start a debate on anything. This isn't about the kind of person you are but just about this thread and your action. To put it in a very simple way: intentionally scaring an animal, especially making him believe he's about to die, just to get high on their poison, when there are countless alternatives, is messed up. I understand that you can't see that and i'm sorry for that. This is not a moral judgement per se, it's just that if you see them as inferior beings, it's very likely you won't receive anything good from them. You're free to disregard my posts but this isn't really a matter of opinion. There's nothing else to say beyond this on my part.
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And the best part about it is we all have the right to say what we want to say opinions or facts everybody has the right to throw their two cents in, but I’m not again worried about what I’m doing since every human being in the world who owns a pet of any breed or style or anything is basically controlling an animals actions by keeping them a hostage and me doing it just one time scaring him, I don’t look at it as a bad thing. He lives long and healthy and doesn’t seem to have any issues but again we’re humans we don’t get to speak to them, so none of us know what animals are going through every day But again everybody has the right to throw their two cents in and trust me I’m not worried about being attacked by a personal level if somebody disagrees with what I do and I respect that you’re throwing your opinions out there
 
I guess in another great way to put it is are you against scientist and chemist using lab rats and monkeys as experiments for scientific use on figuring out cancer and other disease and illnesses? I guess that’s the same way I look at this except I’m not trying to make the animal go to an extreme level of pain and suffering to figure out what they feel like or what goes on with giving say a rat cocaine or giving a monkey so much Advil it finally dies and now we know that oh if we give a human this amount it can kill them because It killed the monkey were if you give this amount of fentanyl to a rat, you know what I mean, If anything I look at it like sooner or later, we’re gonna have to figure out how these things are done and done properly. We can’t just assume to give up right away because oh the poor animal if it can help heal people if it can help cure PTSD and help cure depression and drug abuse I would say yes scaring the toad would be my best option or for other people extracting it from a plant or a bark
 
blig-blug said:
@CosmicRiver , I understand your point of view and, while I don't fully share it, I can empathize with it. I think it would have been better to pose the question in more abstract terms about what is right and wrong when dealing with other living beings, perhaps even in a different thread. Framing it in more personal terms tends to activate identity and attachment to it, and makes it less productive in general. And here I don't think we're dealing with some outrageous abuse, even though some people could morally object to it. Just my opinion on it, as in the past I've seen by myself that it's easier to get your points through when you avoid activating identity-related parts in others.
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I understand blig-blug. When Stoner420 opened the thread and mentioned milking the toad once, i didn't say anything. But when he described how he did it, i imagined a person thinking "How can i milk this toad? Well, i will make him believe he's getting eaten so he gets mad scared and my friend can milk him" so i really struggle to apply any nuance to it.
 
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Stoner420 said:
I guess in another great way to put it is are you against scientist and chemist using lab rats and monkeys as experiments for scientific use on figuring out cancer and other disease and illnesses? I guess that’s the same way I look at this except I’m not trying to make the animal go to an extreme level of pain and suffering to figure out what they feel like or what goes on with giving say a rat cocaine or giving a monkey so much Advil it finally dies and now we know that oh if we give a human this amount it can kill them because It killed the monkey were if you give this amount of fentanyl to a rat, you know what I mean, If anything I look at it like sooner or later, we’re gonna have to figure out how these things are done and done properly. We can’t just assume to give up right away because oh the poor animal if it can help heal people if it can help cure PTSD and help cure depression and drug abuse I would say yes scaring the toad would be my best option or for other people extracting it from a plant or a bark
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I don't think it would be of any use to start this kind of debate. You can read my reply to blig-blug to better understand the reason for my posts.
 
Stoner420 said:
I did try to upload a quick clip, but it doesn’t allow me to upload photos or videos
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This might be a format issue - some things currently aren't supported by the platform, .heic images springing to mind for one thing, although I'd need to check what's on the current list of supported file types (not to mention, finding the list).
 
Transform said:
Certain strains of Phalaris grass show promise, for example.
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As to 5-MeO-DMT, I think that's an understatement. My unnamed P. brachystachys yields about 200 mg/month pure drug from a patch of 2-3 square feet, with near-perfectly consistent alkaloid profile between individuals and quite consistent profile with environment. I don't want to link the supplier here, but I can DM anyone interested. I emphasize that you need the right strain/variety, since the species lines were drawn without regard for chemotaxonomy. P. aquatica 'Tanit' from @Grasshoppers and @neurobloom is probably similar. Phalaris extraction is more work per mg than DMT from MHRB since the concentration in the biomass is lower, but the necessary dose is also lower.

I don't think activities that cause an animal to suffer are necessarily wrong, as long as it's the least suffering possible for an important purpose. In this case plant sources are somewhat available, and broader use will improve that. I guess the greater popularity of the toads is a combination of history (first reported consumption of tryptamines from Phalaris is circa 1990) and mystique, but perhaps that will evolve.

Phalaris for DMT is still a research project. DMT-dominant samples are easily found, but inconsistency in the alkaloid profile presents greater danger due to the greater dose. An extract believed to contain DMT that actually contains 5-MeO-DMT may cause serious (up to fatal) poisoning, while the reverse is just inactive.
 
He’s still getting used to his terrarium so is she unfortunately the big guy bullies her and eats all of her food I gotta start separating them so she doesn’t starve.

But I did buy some bugs yesterday so I can try to get some nice videos of them killing shit 😂😂🐸🐸
 

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aizoaceous said:
As to 5-MeO-DMT, I think that's an understatement. My unnamed P. brachystachys yields about 200 mg/month pure drug from a patch of 2-3 square feet, with near-perfectly consistent alkaloid profile between individuals and quite consistent profile with environment. I don't want to link the supplier here, but I can DM anyone interested. I emphasize that you need the right strain/variety, since the species lines were drawn without regard for chemotaxonomy. P. aquatica 'Tanit' from @Grasshoppers and @neurobloom is probably similar. Phalaris extraction is more work per mg than DMT from MHRB since the concentration in the biomass is lower, but the necessary dose is also lower.

I don't think activities that cause an animal to suffer are necessarily wrong, as long as it's the least suffering possible for an important purpose. In this case plant sources are somewhat available, and broader use will improve that. I guess the greater popularity of the toads is a combination of history (first reported consumption of tryptamines from Phalaris is circa 1990) and mystique, but perhaps that will evolve.

Phalaris for DMT is still a research project. DMT-dominant samples are easily found, but inconsistency in the alkaloid profile presents greater danger due to the greater dose. An extract believed to contain DMT that actually contains 5-MeO-DMT may cause serious (up to fatal) poisoning, while the reverse is just inactive.
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Fabulous! Wouldn't it be poetic to grow some P. brachystachys in the terrarium?!

What do we reckon - would this be a goer?
 
Stoner420 said:
He’s still getting used to his terrarium so is she unfortunately the big guy bullies her and eats all of her food I gotta start separating them so she doesn’t starve.

But I did buy some bugs yesterday so I can try to get some nice videos of them killing shit 😂😂🐸🐸
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I watched the video. Are you brainwashing them for a stronger venom? Face recognition on a toad almost killed me 😂 😍
 
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