"Bufo" [Incilius alvarius care tips requested]

[GTRm8]

When are you going to milk it again? That was my question. There's nothing wrong with milking a cow, goat, or frog.


I don't know what the problem is, but okay. I'm new here, and I'm a farmer who feeds people with quality grass fed diary products and fruits, I know what the work is and don't have this trendy, pseudo-human hypocritical worldview. I'm a realist, not a rotten-brain delusional hippie. And I love animals. And they love me too.

if you could explain... what's the problem with milking? lol

 

[northape]

When are you going to milk it again? That was my question. There's nothing wrong with milking a cow, goat, or frog.

I don't know what the problem is, but okay. I'm new here, and I'm a farmer who feeds people with quality diary products and fruits, I know what the work is and don't have this trendy, pseudo-human hypocritical worldview. I'm a realist, not a rotten-brain delusional hippie. And I love animals. And they love me too.

if you could explain... what's the problem with milking? lol

First, do not take it personally. It is in no way an attempt to insult you or undermine your input. I even liked your posts to show my appreciation and respect.

The issue would be the wording and lack of context. Just posting one question that goes against the trend of conversation is kind of bad sense. I will give you a crude example:
There is a man on the bridge trying to jump, and we finally convinced him to live. Then comes a passerby who asks, "So how is the water today?"

You may disagree, but it felt that way for me. Just give more context. There are real, living people behind the screen. Btw, you're most welcome here

All the best

 

[GTRm8]

First, do not take it personally. It is in no way an attempt to insult you or undermine your input. I even liked your posts to show my appreciation and respect.

The issue would be the wording and lack of context. Just posting one question that goes against the trend of conversation is kind of bad sense. I will give you a crude example:
There is a man on the bridge trying to jump, and we finally convinced him to live. Then comes a passerby who asks, "So how is the water today?"

You may disagree, but it felt that way for me. Just give more context. There are real, living people behind the screen. Btw, you're most welcome here

All the best

No problem, cheers

 

[Transform]

It may be worth noting how big of a difference there is a between domesticated livestock and a wild creature which is at risk of becoming endangered in its natural habitat due to 'drug' interest - much of it originating from "rotten-brain delusional hippie" types - as there also is between lactation to provide for young versus a defensive secretion against predators.

 

[CosmicRiver]

I also had a second pair of hands all I really did honestly have my friend lightly touch his glands, and I would stick my face in front of the glass and make it seem like I was gonna eat him which gave him the natural instinct of shooting it out himself instead of us squeezing really hard like other people do.

Please read this again and imagine being the toad. Would you do this to someone you love?
I'm not saying you have to throw away what you already got, but it would be way better both for them and for you if you made a resolution not to do that anymore.

 

[Stoner420]

It may be worth noting how big of a difference there is a between domesticated livestock and a wild creature which is at risk of becoming endangered in its natural habitat due to 'drug' interest - much of it originating from "rotten-brain delusional hippie" - as there also is between lactation to provide for young versus a defensive secretion against predators.

Yeah, for sure I also I guess look at it from a perspective of how many people own wild animals like zoos, and things of that nature where most animals do not belong in certain areas of the world, but are there for entertainment purposes.

My whole idea was just to have only two of them and if they breed that’s awesome but definitely not one of those hippie weirdos that wanna collect 1000 toes and have a whole area dedicated to just milking them every day to me. That’s just people that are trying to be your typical drug dealers.

But in my defense, I don’t think me owning two toads will ruin the ecosystem for them or make them go extinct, but you’re right those who do catch them in the wild and just abuse capturing them yes that could ruin a lot.

But for me, I’m all the way in New Jersey, so I have no access to even grabbing them myself unless I went to like Mexico or Arizona.


But I can send you guys a link where I usually keep my 24 seven camera sometimes live streaming them right now. They’re just a little pissed off and they’re new terrarium because they don’t like moving to new locations.

 

[Stoner420]

Please read this again and imagine being the toad. Would you do this to someone you love?
I'm not saying you have to throw away what you already got, but it would be way better both for them and for you if you made a resolution not to do that anymore.

I’m gonna be completely honest and real no I don’t feel like what I did was torture. In fact we didn’t even squeeze him so I don’t believe what we did was forcing it out of him.

For example, if you had to jerk off to have an ejaculation that would be you forcing yourself to do your business now just imagine staring at something and getting excited and just going and doing your business. That’s the same thing I did with the toad. We basically just looked at him through the glass and he thought I was gonna eat him so he naturally ejected it for me.

And then I fed the shit out of him and made sure that he would not be touched for a very long time like that.

It’s no different than people who experiment with plants experiment with all types of lifeforms sooner or later we have to learn how things are done, and unfortunately, these toads do produce a beautiful medicine and I know that a lot of you guys are against the whole milking process but if you had to deal with what I dealt with in my life Scaring a toad is the least of my worries.

I suffer with Tourette’s syndrome as well as a brain tumor at age 3 that ruined my whole life I go through so many life-changing events due to it so for me collecting this medicine is just natural. It’s not like I’m trying to torture the animal, but I get what you’re saying, but I’m not that oversensitive with it. That’s just my honest opinion for myself

Now others might look at it as it’s a bad thing, but it isn’t to me and yes, I’m already invested so far into it. There’s no giving up now and like I said I have not yet milked him since two years ago so again it’s only one time deal so far

 

[GTRm8]

But in my defense, I don’t think me owning two toads will ruin the ecosystem for them or make them go extinct, but you’re right those who do catch them in the wild and just abuse capturing them yes that could ruin a lot.

This. That's what I wanted to explain. Didn't want to derail or brake any rules it or something. Just common sense.
Sorry if I did.

But I can send you guys a link where I usually keep my 24 seven camera sometimes live streaming them right now. They’re just a little pissed off and they’re new terrarium because they don’t like moving to new locations.

That would be cool mate, I'd be happy to see that!

 

[northape]

But in my defense, I don’t think me owning two toads will ruin the ecosystem for them or make them go extinct, but you’re right those who do catch them in the wild and just abuse capturing them yes that could ruin a lot.

Like I said to you before, you already have them, so move from there. Create a good life for your toads and see how you can work with them holistically.

I suffer with Tourette’s syndrome as well as a brain tumor at age 3 that ruined my whole life I go through so many life-changing events due to it so for me collecting this medicine is just natural. It’s not like I’m trying to torture the animal, but I get what you’re saying, but I’m not that oversensitive with it. That’s just my honest opinion for myself

So who can get it? Your life led you to toads, just make the best of this situation. If you see them as part of your family circle and life, just go with it.

But I can send you guys a link where I usually keep my 24 seven camera sometimes live streaming them right now. They’re just a little pissed off and they’re new terrarium because they don’t like moving to new locations.

And that would be against the rules and very unnecessary. You do not need to convince anyone but yourself.

 

[Stoner420]

Like I said to you before, you already have them, so move from there. Create a good life for your toads and see how you can work with them holistically.

So who can get it? Your life led you to toads, just make the best of this situation. If you see them as part of your family circle and life, just go with it.

And that would be against the rules and very unnecessary. You do not need to convince anyone but yourself.

I can’t send the link to the live stream of them in their terrarium? Not like videos of anything just them chilling.

 

[Stoner420]

Like I said to you before, you already have them, so move from there. Create a good life for your toads and see how you can work with them holistically.

So who can get it? Your life led you to toads, just make the best of this situation. If you see them as part of your family circle and life, just go with it.

And that would be against the rules and very unnecessary. You do not need to convince anyone but yourself.

And trust me, I don’t listen to other people since listening to others get you nowhere wearing life, but I’m really joined the community to learn more and more about psychedelics and also how people use it themselves and what for and also just other ways of learning.

The last thing I would do is listen to no offense random people on the Internet, including yourselves, even though you guys have great intentions and everything again I just wanted more info not looking for validation from any of you or anybody

And yes, they get taken care of a lot. I feed those fat bastards all the time.

 

[CosmicRiver]

We basically just looked at him through the glass and he thought I was gonna eat him so he naturally ejected it for me.

And then I fed the shit out of him and made sure that he would not be touched for a very long time like that.

It’s no different than people who experiment with plants experiment with all types of lifeforms sooner or later we have to learn how things are done, and unfortunately, these toads do produce a beautiful medicine and I know that a lot of you guys are against the whole milking process but if you had to deal with what I dealt with in my life Scaring a toad is the least of my worries.

I suffer with Tourette’s syndrome as well as a brain tumor at age 3 that ruined my whole life I go through so many life-changing events due to it so for me collecting this medicine is just natural. It’s not like I’m trying to torture the animal, but I get what you’re saying, but I’m not that oversensitive with it. That’s just my honest opinion for myself

Now others might look at it as it’s a bad thing, but it isn’t to me and yes, I’m already invested so far into it. There’s no giving up now and like I said I have not yet milked him since two years ago so again it’s only one time deal so far

How do you think it feels like to get eaten? Your suffering doesn't make you entitled to literally feed off the fear of another being. It really looks like you see these animals as objects to get exploited. You do care fore them in a way but your compassion ends where your self-interest starts. The fact that you say that scaring a toad is the least of your worries and that worrying about it would mean being OVERsensitive shows that you lack compassion and see them as something to exploit. I doubt you will get anything good from their poison if this is the ground on which you stand.

 

[northape]

I can’t send the link to the live stream of them in their terrarium? Not like videos of anything just them chilling.

You should wait for answer from the mods, but I think we can get your location that way...

 

[Transform]

Now, what would really be interesting, on top of maybe a little toad diary - because, honestly, I would find the creatures fascinating and wonderful irl - would be an account of the role which your experiences with toad venom have played in your personal healing journey. If you were willing to say something about that in its own thread, we'd be most grateful.

Yes, that sounds rather contradictory of me, doesn't it? The world is a messy place!

I can’t send the link to the live stream of them in their terrarium? Not like videos of anything just them chilling.

Pre-recorded videos would likely be fine, but the livestream carries too great a risk of being traced, unless you have some fairly ninja-level security and obfuscation techniques at your disposal.

 

[Stoner420]

How do you think it feels like to get eaten? Your suffering doesn't make you entitled to literally feed off the fear of another being. It really looks like you see thes animals as objects to get exploited. You do care fore them in a way but your compassion ends where your self-interest starts. The fact that you say that scaring a toad is the least of your worries and that worrying about it would mean being OVERsensitive shows that you lack compassion and see them as something to exploit. I doubt you will get anything good from their venom if this is the ground on which you stand.

I don’t know who you are. I don’t know how you were raised were brought up in life, but I’m not an animal abuser if that’s what you’re trying to get at there’s people who yelled at people like myself for growing mushrooms saying oh the more you grow mushrooms the more you grow weed the more you grow this you’re gonna destroy the population to me. There’s so many things in the world that people are going to be against like yourself being against me, owning these two creatures.

At the end of the day, there’s people who own snakes that don’t belong inside of a terrarium there’s people who own cats and dogs who shouldn’t be locked in the house all day. There’s a lot of things that we do every single day of our lives that might not affect human But can affect animals, but that’s just the world we live in for me like I said it was a one time thing I did and if I do it again, it would probably be the same exact way and I’m not saying that what I do is the right thing but it’s also not the wrong thingand I don’t compare myself to a toad. We’re human beings.

And just like they said before, I’m not looking for anybody’s validation or concerns if you don’t like the way, I am doing things that’s OK. I’m not worried about what other people think since you’re not here looking at what I do with them, but I respect the fact that you’re looking out for the little guys, but they are no offense no different than any other pet. You can buy them without a license and you can dispose of them without anyone knowing It’s not a human being. It is an animal and I guess I’m raised and brought up differently than others. If I was a piece of shit, I would probably just not feed him not give a shit milk them until they die

That’s not the case though.

 

[Stoner420]

You should wait for answer from the mods, but I think we can get your location that way...

Yeah, it’s up to you guys. I don’t care. It’s just a typical twitch live stream. I do every now and then I just keep it on all day for people to watch them be roaming around eating bugs all day. Most of the time they’re either making a mess of the place or sitting in water all day.

 

[Stoner420]

Now, what would really be interesting, on top of maybe a little toad diary - because, honestly, I would find the creatures fascinating and wonderful irl - would be an account of the role which your experiences with toad venom have played in your personal healing journey. If you were willing to say something about that in its own thread, we'd be most grateful.

Yes, that sounds rather contradictory of me, doesn't it? The world is a messy place!

Pre-recorded videos would likely be fine, but the livestream carries too great a risk of being traced, unless you have some fairly ninja-level security and obfuscation techniques at your disposal.

Yeah, I’m not the type of person to worry about being traced. It’s not like anything. I’m doing is illegal on the live stream. It’s just two toads

Also, I’m pretty sure people already know where I live in the world I’m not worried about , in fact at this point owning any sort of social media people have your address also people can easily find out where you live just by your first last name even your email so yeah I’m aware of being traced. Probably already have been traced 1 billion times I’m not worried about anybody.

 

[blig-blug]

a typical twitch live stream

I believe if there's no link between your account and username to your real identity, you could share it. Otherwise no. But I'm not a mod.

Yeah, I’m not the type of person to worry about being traced

However, the rules don't allow to share information that can be used to identify you.

 

[Transform]

Yeah, I’m not the type of person to worry about being traced. It’s not like anything. I’m doing is illegal on the live stream. It’s just two toads

Also, I’m pretty sure people already know where I live in the world I’m not worried about , in fact at this point owning any sort of social media people have your address also people can easily find out where you live just by your first last name even your email so yeah I’m aware of being traced. Probably already have been traced 1 billion times I’m not worried about anybody.

Given the nature of the forum we're using here, linking direct to your toads in a doxxable way could easily become way more problematic than you're currently imagining. But thanks for the offer all the same.

 

[Stoner420]

Given the nature of the forum we're using here, linking direct to your toads in a doxxable way could easily become way more problematic than you're currently imagining. But thanks for the offer all the same.

Yeah, I won’t share it if you guys don’t if anybody I guess wants to link they could privately message me if that’s the case because it is a public live stream so it’s not like it’s hidden from anybody, but if anybody does want the link, I guess they can just personally DM me I’m not against showing my twitch channel since that is a public thing, but I won’t post it in this group at all