Caapi and chacruna cook separately?

[ManuV]

Hi, where I bought the medicine, they gave me a link to this forum.
I bought 100g of yellow Caapi, 100g of black Caapi, and 100g of Chacruna.
This would be a starter for me, just one person. I've done some research and read that it's better to cook them separately. Do you agree, or is it not relevant?
I have to say this would be the second time I'm going to try it. The first time I did it with a shaman and three people, and it was fascinating.
What would you recommend, to make everything together or separately?
Is there a link here that shows the most effective way to cook it?
Anyway, I've looked at several options to see what you think.
Cooking the Caapi
50/100g and 1 or 2 liters of water with a little lemon juice
Cook over low heat for 4 hours, strain, and repeat the process 1 or 2 more times. Then, reduce the remaining liquid to 50/100 ml.
Cooking Chacruna
10/20g and 1 or 1.5 liters of water, simmer for 2 hours, strain the liquid, and repeat the process 1 more time, reduce the liquid to 30/50 ml.
After that, mix both liquids.
What do you think?
Thank you very much in advance.

 

[Transform]

Hi, welcome - try looking here: DMT-Nexus Wiki

 

[ManuV]

Hello! thanks for responding
I can't find anything about cooking ayahuasca.

 

[ManuV]

How do you see the proportions I wrote above? Are they correct? Thank you very much!

 

[Varallo]

How do you see the proportions I wrote above? Are they correct? Thank you very much!

May be read some of the stickies in this sub forum

 

[ManuV]

Don't think I haven't been reading, the thing is I don't speak English and I'm using the translator all the time, I apologize.
I have doubts because, on the one hand, I have seen that the quantity per person is approximately 100g caapi 85g chacruna, but on the other hand, I have seen that the chacruna is quite low, then I have read here a relationship of 1.1 for each, wow, I am confused.

 

[Varallo]

Okay, let me help you out a bit. The 1:1 ratio, that is a good starting point. You can cook them together or separately. In the end, it doesn’t really make a huge difference. The dose you have now is a fairly standard dose, so a 100 grams of caapi with 100 grams of chacruna. But it could also be 50 grams and 50 grams could be enough. You just don’t know at this point.

That’s why I would recommend buying a slightly larger amount next time, and make a larger batch, preferably cooking each ingredient separately. That way, you can get a feel for each of them. It gives you a much better sense of what’s doing what, and what kind of dose you’re actually working with.

Right now, you don’t know how strong your caapi is so, in this case, I’d say just brew them together and see how it goes. ( the amount of water you use is not as important just end up with an drinkable amount) Try drinking a quarter and maybe go up to half and see how far it takes you. Try to feel it out and see where you land.

I’m linking a thread below that I’d really recommend translating it gives a really solid overview.

Best of luck to you.

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[ManuV]

I really appreciate your response. I have 100g of black caapi, 100g of yellow caapi, and 200g of chacruna, all crushed, not powdered, in separate bags.
Thanks again.
)))

 

[Animistic]

Do you know where your chacruna is sourced from? If Hawaii, it's known to be much stronger than Peruvian.

 

[ManuV]

Hello, I asked where I bought it, I'm waiting for a reply, they told me 100g of caapi and 85g of chacruna, I've already started the diet, I'll be on it for 5 days, on the fifth day I'll cook it and the next day I'll eat it, I think it's a good plan

 

[Animistic]

If he's suggesting 85g of chacruna and is familiar with the material then it's almost certainly not Hawaiian. 85g of some chacruna with a decent dose of vine would be quite potentially traumatic tbh.

 

[ManuV]

Do you mean you would cook with less chacruna?

 

[Animistic]

I wouldn't cook less chacruna, especially since the source mentioned 85g. If you wanted you could cook 100g down to 100ml, that way 1ml = 1g chacruna. If you're feeling very cautious you could try 15-20ml of this liquid and then if not feeling it by an hour drink another 60-80ml. That's how I would test material I was completely unfamiliar with. If your source is experienced with the material though then go with their advice.

 

[ManuV]

Okay, thanks, I understand what you're saying.
By the way, I've read quite a bit about diet. Some say it's not relevant, others say it is. I say, 5/7 days without alcohol or other drugs, and 3 days beforehand, zero red meat, cheese, sausage, avocados, and highly processed foods. Would that be okay? Would that be enough?

 

[Animistic]

Diet is more relevant post brew I find. My nervous system feels more sensitive and open, which is great but can also be negatively affected by heavy foods. Only once I had cannabis tincture 3-4 days after 2 nights of drinking and I woke up in the middle of the night with full blown egyptian visuals. Was quite something, didn't really feel negative at all but didn't have much meaning either.

I usually eat clean for a day before and 3-4 days afterwards. A lot of the diet restrictions come from the amazon when people are training to be a healer in that system, or based on some idea of MAOI interaction, neither is really relevant for aya since harmalas are rimas.

 

[Varallo]

The real question is why you’d choose to eat processed foods at all, when there’s no real need to. You can live just fine without them. It’s a bit ironic. All these strict diets floating around are, in my view, mostly rituals pushed by self-made gurus to add more noise to an already confused space.

The only part that really matters is medication and drug use. That’s where real interactions with ayahuasca can happen. Beyond that, the rest is mostly irrelevant. It’s generally best not to eat too much beforehand as allot of times it will come out anyway.

If I had to give advice, I’d just say: eat healthy, eat fresh, and limit your meat intake. Not just because it’s better for you, but because it’s better for the world. If we all stopped eating meat, the climate crisis would look very different. That’s a much stronger reason to change your diet than anything related to ayahuasca, remember the plant doesn’t care what you eat.

 

[ManuV]

In my case, I have taken ayahuasca once, the person who guided us recommended us not to eat red meat, avocados, ripe bananas, no alcohol or other drugs, for a week, I had my purge I would say 4 hours after having taken it, only once, yes, after that I did go to the bathroom several times, all liquid, I was left very dry hahaha, but that was at the end

 

[Animistic]

I agree Varallo, over time I think it is natural for ones body to just prefer clean foods after some experiences with various psychedelics, especially teas ime perhaps because they make ones digestive system more sensitive.

Though for me clean eating still involves eating meat. Not just for my own health but for the health of the ecosystems around me. It's all about how it's raised and what the consciousness is behind it, there are ways to eat meat ethically imo but that's for another topic I guess.

 

[ManuV]

The real question is why you’d choose to eat processed foods at all, when there’s no real need to. You can live just fine without them. It’s a bit ironic. All these strict diets floating around are, in my view, mostly rituals pushed by self-made gurus to add more noise to an already confused space.

The only part that really matters is medication and drug use. That’s where real interactions with ayahuasca can happen. Beyond that, the rest is mostly irrelevant. It’s generally best not to eat too much beforehand as allot of times it will come out anyway.

If I had to give advice, I’d just say: eat healthy, eat fresh, and limit your meat intake. Not just because it’s better for you, but because it’s better for the world. If we all stopped eating meat, the climate crisis would look very different. That’s a much stronger reason to change your diet than anything related to ayahuasca, remember the plant doesn’t care what you eat.

Well, this gives rise to another debate. Basically, sometimes due to time, work, and other "etc," you end up eating processed foods.

 

[Ruffles]

How are you going to filter it?

I much prefer my fluids without sediments. Reddish yellow crystal clear is highly recommended for less purging. Burping is inevitable.