Caapi instead of Rue for Vapourhuasca?

[Worzel]

I've drank rue tea before vaping DMT a few times with good affect. Although the Rue does have quite a lot of bodyload.

I'm interested in trying Caapi with it instead.

Is there a method for this already (via a vape device not Changa).

Such as alcohol extract of Caapi and then vape the DMT?

 

[Transform]

Yes, dosing the caapi in the same way as you've dosed rue (within the parameters of it being a different plant material) will be just fine for vaporhuasca. The caapi's balance of harmala alkaloids will give the effects profile its own flavour, of course, but the extension and modulation of the vaped DMT will be broadly similar to that of rue.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Isn't more tedious properly making a caapi brew than a rue brew, @Transform ?

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[northape]

I've drank rue tea before vaping DMT a few times with good affect. Although the Rue does have quite a lot of bodyload.

Rue bodyload depends on your seeds and how adapted you are to harmalas. Caapi could easily top some rue strains when it comes to bodyload.
Just for vaporhuasca, extracting harmalas from rue is the next step, imo. Rue and caapi teas are for those who work predominantly with harmalas.
With time, your body adjusts, and you'd have close to no bodyload. However, it could easily take years. Caapi tea is a bit more work to make.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Rue bodyload depends on your seeds and how adapted you are to harmalas. Caapi could easily top some rue strains when it comes to bodyload.
Just for vaporhuasca, extracting harmalas from rue is the next step, imo. Rue and caapi teas are for those who work predominantly with harmalas.
With time, your body adjusts, and you'd have close to no bodyload. However, it could easily take years. Caapi tea is a bit more work to make.

Amen to this. I've worked with rue and harmalas for about 4 or 5 years now, I think, and the more you bond and connect with it, not just take it, the "lighter" it becomes.

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[Worzel]

Rue bodyload depends on your seeds and how adapted you are to harmalas. Caapi could easily top some rue strains when it comes to bodyload.
Just for vaporhuasca, extracting harmalas from rue is the next step, imo. Rue and caapi teas are for those who work predominantly with harmalas.
With time, your body adjusts, and you'd have close to no bodyload. However, it could easily take years. Caapi tea is a bit more work to make.

When you say extract the Harmalas from rue. A lot of people seem to think the spirit is more in the full spectrum brew rather than an isolated extract.

Have you found that to be the case?

 

[Voidmatrix]

I personally honor the spirit of the plant in it's entirety as well as the spirit of specific molecules.

Kind of like nesting dolls in a way.

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[northape]

When you say extract the Harmalas from rue. A lot of people seem to think the spirit is more in the full spectrum brew rather than an isolated extract.

I subscribe to the idea, but you need to come to this conclusion yourself. A lot of people work with dry seeds, when the spirit is stronger in the live plants.
Nothing is wrong with trying to extract harmalas yourself and working with them for a while. You can always come back to making rue teas or experimenting with caapi.
Your intent and attitude play the biggest role in developing relationships with plant spirits. They'll show you themselves what is right for you.

 

[Transform]

I just stick a pinch of rue seeds under my tongue and hold it there for however long. That this wakes up the seeds and brings them to life is evidenced by the rue plants I've grown after planting some of the seeds that survived this process without getting chewed or swallowed.

Thinking about it, I've not tried this in combination with vaporised DMT, but were I to do so I'd be inclined to ensure there weren't any seeds remaining in my mouth, largely to avoid choking.

 

[blig-blug]

In my experience, in Vaporhuasca harmalas usually take the backseat, so to me it would be a waste to use caapi for it. It's much more expensive.
But for example something similar seemed to be worth it to @Tumupasa : Changa-huasca So I'd say experiment and find your preferences.

If the reason is the bodyload, I second the suggestion to extract harmalas, as it will be much lighter in bodyload than caapi.

 

[Ernestine]

I just stick a pinch of rue seeds under my tongue and hold it there for however long. That this wakes up the seeds and brings them to life is evidenced by the rue plants I've grown after planting some of the seeds that survived this process without getting chewed or swallowed.
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Thinking about it, I've not tried this in combination with vaporised DMT, but were I to do so I'd be inclined to ensure there weren't any seeds remaining in my mouth, largely to avoid choking.

If you hold rue seeds in the buccal pouch rather than sublingually, absorption is a little slower and so it offers a kind of natural extended release which is quite helpful for allowing an extended vaping session. Also the seed wad is very secure in the pouch, so there's not much risk of choking. I chew the seeds up. It's very effective and enjoyable. I'm using about two to three pinches, 600mg or so. I don't really notice any body load at that dosage.

 

[Transform]

If you hold rue seeds in the buccal pouch rather than sublingually, absorption is a little slower and so it offers a kind of natural extended release which is quite helpful for allowing an extended vaping session. Also the seed wad is very secure in the pouch, so there's not much risk of choking. I chew the seeds up. It's very effective and enjoyable. I'm using about two to three pinches, 600mg or so. I don't really notice any body load at that dosage.

Yes, exactly this! I start off with a little while of sublingual, both to hasten the inital ramp-up and to soften the seeds a little prior to transferring them to the buccal pouch. It's marginally more comfortable than putting dry seeds straight in contact with my gumline in particular, and direct proximity to the salivary glands also helps.

 

[Tumupasa]

But for example something similar seemed to be worth it to @Tumupasa : Changa-huasca

It has been worth it indeed, though I don't have any experience with raw rue brew, i only extracted harmalas from it, so I couldn't tell if the body load is different. That said I love the body load, it feels much more therapeutic to me and in a way seems to enhance DMT visuals. Nothing better than purging while having intense visual, meaningful and symbolic representations of this liberation!

 

[yatyas314]

I've drank rue tea before vaping DMT a few times with good affect. Although the Rue does have quite a lot of bodyload.

I'm interested in trying Caapi with it instead.

Is there a method for this already (via a vape device not Changa).

Such as alcohol extract of Caapi and then vape the DMT?

I have never made tea, but I do add caapi when I take Maoi for vaporhuasca. I do it sublingually with freebase along with harmaline HCL.