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Can you easily extract DMT back out of a PG/VG solution?

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VibeSurfer

VibeSurfer

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So for the last 6 months or so my smoking method has been to vaporize a solution of 1g of DMT per ml of 50/50 Vegetable glycerine and propylene glycol. I have come to the conclusion that this method doesn't work in the long run, and I want to extract the remaining DMT out of the solution.

Any advice?
 
I’m not sure how you would pull that back out there but what are your thoughts on why that method isn’t good?
 
It's kind of hard to explain. I think the atomizer coils accumulate gunk, and that the vaporizer also slowly ruins the solution in the tank a bit more after each hit. When I first fill up the tank, the liquid is a clear yellow color. After multiple uses it becomes darker and more orange. The smoke gets harsher, all the bad signs are there. It is quite tragic, because the first few hits with everything fresh are fantastic and simple to administer. Oh well.
 
I hadn't heard of those until you mentioned them. Looks interesting. Have you had success with them?
 
Yeah I've experienced the same issue using DMT e-liquids, the cotton wick surrounding the coil-mesh will tend to accumulate a lot of yellow gunk which I believe are plant oils and fats left over from the extraction and will no longer be able to vaporize, ending up with a nasty burnt flavor. Whether or not this problem can be avoided using a cleaner extract dissolved in a less viscous solution of 100% PG i'm unsure but worth a shot, provided you can't extract your freebase out of the e-liquid.

P.S. I know 1g/ml is often recommended but in my experience this sounds stupidly saturated with DMT and I can only imagine ending up with a e-liquid which takes up the physical characteristics of honey that'll for sure clog your cotton-mesh. Sorry I couldn't really help you on extraction advice but thought i'd provide some input at least. Wish you the best of luck anyway!
 
You canalso use the solution as is, maybe add alittle acid, and you may use it orally with harmalas or plugged.. Add a little white distilled vinegar and boof that !
 
VibeSurfer said:
I hadn't heard of those until you mentioned them. Looks interesting. Have you had success with them?
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The rda? Yes and no, I tried it a few times and took baby hits because I was scared and then got frustrated and took two good hits and blacked out which really scared me, so it works I just haven’t found the sweet spot.

A subohm tank with disposable coils is not going to be optimal because spice ejuice is too thick and doesn’t vape clean. With an RDA you make your own coil, about 6 wraps with a good diameter, I did 3mm and when you thread your cotton through you cut it on each side of the coil instead of running it all the way down to the bottom of the rda. You don’t need capillary action to pull juice from the base. Just cotton inside the actual coil to hold juice in the coil so it cuts down on juice waste from being in cotton nowhere near the coil.

The problem I’ve found with ejuice is not with it vaporizing but with the inability to measure your dose with any precision so it can cause problems.
 
Check the miscibility with naphtha of the PG/VG blend. If it does not dissolve, you should be able to pull DMT freebase back out of your e-juice. If it looks partially miscible, add a little water to increase the polarity of the glycol phase. If nothing else, this would be a valuable experiment to carry out so if you give it a try be sure to let us know how it turns out.
 
downwardsfromzero said:
Check the miscibility with naphtha of the PG/VG blend. If it does not dissolve, you should be able to pull DMT freebase back out of your e-juice. If it looks partially miscible, add a little water to increase the polarity of the glycol phase. If nothing else, this would be a valuable experiment to carry out so if you give it a try be sure to let us know how it turns out.
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Thank you! I will give this a shot and report back.
 
Came right out with naphtha. I do find it interesting how little DMT was actually left compared to the volume of PG/VG blend that remained beforehand. When I took the jar out of the freezer, it didn't look like there would even be enough for a breakthrough.

Yet another reason why this method was no bueno in the long run no matter how awesome it was at first.
 
VibeSurfer said:
Came right out with naphtha. I do find it interesting how little DMT was actually left compared to the volume of PG/VG blend that remained beforehand. When I took the jar out of the freezer, it didn't look like there would even be enough for a breakthrough.
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Might be a bit too late for this, but if you can recall, did you just stir the PG/VG/DMT juice into a small amount of naptha, let seperate, and then freeze precip the naptha layer? I wouldn't mind reclaiming some spice from old carts.
 
I haven't done so myself but yes that would work, dropping PG/VG in Naphtha would crash the DMT into the Naptha then that could be freezer and poured off. PG and VG are both very polar and will form a definite layer when combined with Naphtha or Heptane or the like.

I use CBC for mine, that's not the same simple deal when it comes to separation. Separating CBC and DMT would require additional steps and reagents that aren't so here friendly.
 
I used the mintymint tek from reddit, Hamilton devices cart and palm battery. I used only pg, no vg. I gram of very refined spice to 1ml juice and i love it. I am not usually using this method for high dose break through but a deep lungfull gets me to a sweet spot that is quite lovely. The one thing i did differently than mintymint was to heat the pg in a shotglass in a double boiler with the spice until it dissolved fully. I used a syringe to fill the cart. Easy peasy. The spice has to be really cleaned up. Save the yellow spice for a GVG.
 
I came to this forum again (been away for years, I think I was posting about weird jungle spice effects and LCMS analysis way back in 2006) because I also am getting WEIRD effects from DMT vape carts.

Two different vendors, one vendors cart was flawless the entire time. The 2nd vendor, selling them a little cheaper, was perfect at first but then after I let it sit for weeks at room temperature... one hit makes my heart skip beats and even causes chest pain.

It's not the vendors fault it's just wacky mystery DMT compounds again! It's the reason I quit extracting my favorite psychedelic because i just couldn't figure out why. Well it looks like other people are having the same issue.

I have almost a full cart (1g in what appears to be about 1ml not sure if it's a PG VG mix)

Does anyone know if naptha or heptane can pull the GOOD DMT out without pulling in the weird compounds? As with the jungle stuff it seems like even 1mg of the weird shit (or 0.1mg who knows) is enough to destroy the DMT trip. It's a scary trip with dissociative effects, almost causes panic. Always gives me dark colors like my vision goes almost black with dark evil vibes. I told the vendor and no one else complained but it could be that most people use up the cart a lot faster.

I wonder what's happening, chemical reaction with PG? Not diluted enough? The 1st vendor has clearer liquid and was a bit weaker but still was thick enough to where the liquid barely moved.

If I get another cart from vendor #1 I will dump the liquid in a vial and keep it frozen and just pour a little bit at a time into the vape.

But I wonder if the current weird cart I have if I can pull the DMT out while keeping the weird chem in? Might need heptane and recrystallization but back in the jungle spice days even that wasn't good enough because 0.1mg would magically remain. Whatever this new mystery compound is, it feels different to jungle. Feels equally bad or worse, but the heart skipping beats freaks me out... like it is affecting signals to the heart.
 
I know little about DMT and even less about vaping hardware, but I feel I experienced something similar to you. Is it possible DMT concentrates and sticks to/clogs the coils, burning the product? I've also had carts where the oil had to be given a heat bath every time, otherwise it was too viscous.
 
From what we know with DMT freebase requiring essentially 100% PG to dissolve properly, and decreasing solubility as the VG percentage goes up, coupled with freebase DMT's tendency to polymerise in solution, et does look like carts were only ever a short-termist approach. Add to that how commercialisation leads inexorably towards depletion of natural resources and this should serve as a reminder of both why the Nexus exists in its fullness as a project, and why one of our ground rules is to actively discourage purchasing things like the aforementioned products. The fact that they are wasteful adds insult to injury.

Back on the technical side, I suspect that oxygen is fairly soluble in PG/VG, leading to polymerisation and degradation, and some aroma compounds may also contribute towards decomposition - something which I've observed with limonene/orange terpene residues some years back. With the high temperatures of the coil environment, this decomposition will only be hastened. Some maintenance of the device will be essential, so if it isn't rebuildable it'll likely end up in the trash :thumb_dow
 
Interesting. Thanks for the reply. Do you know if it's possible for the DMT to float down after a while and build up somehow? I'd read someone theorizing that's how doses could be so out-of-whack sometimes. Also, what setup do you use?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the PG/VG edible?

Of course you shouldn't be eating a ton of it, but AFAIK it is sometimes used as a food additive, and if you can safely inhale it, swallowing it won't kill you.

Since your solution is so strong, you could take some rue seeds, dose it in drops, mix it with a drink of your choice and have pharmahuasca... kinda.

Another alternative is to vape it in a glas pipe like DMT freebase. That should work fine as well..

Calculating the dosage might be tricky which is why I understand why you want to separate it out of the solution...

That would be options on the top of my head how you could save it, anything else could potentially ruin everything if it goes wrong. Any saved material is a win.

Good luck, and sad to hear that the vape juice solution doesn't work as well as assumed by many.

Thanks for your post.
 
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