CaOh basification of liquid works fine 300mg per 500ml

[Poekus]

Today I received my new PH meter to test wether basification of liquid could be done with CaOH without ending up with clumbs of CaOH in the solution.

The starting point was 500ml of water. In this 500 ml 300mg of CaOH was dissolved. I let the CAOH settle and then filtered the solution through a coffeefilter. The solution was then free of sediment. After this I measured with the digital meter and it was a little above PH 12. To verify the meter I used strips and these also confirmed PH 12.

Then I did another test because when I'm going to do this with cactus tea I can't basify the water before boiling. So I took another 400ml neutral water and added this to the 500ml clear PH 12 water solution. Stirred this to make shure it was all mixed. Then did the PH meter test and the strip test (of course a fresh strip) and still the solution was PH12 after 15 minutes or so.

These tests make me confident enough to do a liquid A/B extraction on cactus with Lime as a base.

I will start with 200g dried boil this down to 200-300 ml of tea and than add about 200-300ml filtered CaOH water. Then proceed with the following steps as usual.

Edit excuse me for putting it in the DMT thread I thought it was a general A/B thread.

 

[acolon_5]

Moved to cacti for ya!

 

[mew]

super glad to have this confirmed, thanks man!

 

[Observant]

I dont think Liquid AB will work well... FB Mesc is pretty water soluble , no?

 

[Poekus]

Mescaline freebase is highly soluble in the non-polar but virtually insoluble in the aqueous phase. There are a lot of a/b mescaline teks out there which use lye and cactus tea. The mescaline freebase will be pulled out of the basified water and dissolve in a non-polar solvent such as d-limonene.

Today I did my first test with cactus tea. It's a little more difficult than with my water experiment because of its snottery and the PH of cactus tea is quite low (around 5).
I had 200ml of concentrated cactus tea and added 200ml clear saturated CaOH water. It came to PH 10.8. Probably I'll add some more CaOH water but it should work with PH 10.8 as well as mescaline is supposed to become freebase around 10.

 

[Recycled_Solvent]

So you made a thread "proving" calcium hydroxide is basic in solution?

Also don't you mean 300 grams?

 

[Poekus]

It's not really to prove anything, just to share for those who are interested. I read in alot of threads that CAOH didn't work well to basify liquids and wanted to test this out. Actually only 300 mg was used for the desired PH. I did several extractions this method with no loss in yield compared to STB with the same cactus material. Emulsions are harder on the liquid extraction but it's less messy than the cactus dough with STB. I made a thread in Eco friendly teks where I describe it more detail.

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

nice, while it is easy to find that a saturated solution of CaOh does not exceed 12.3 parts hydrogen, it is interesting to learn about the minimal amount needed to get to this pH.

a bit more than half a gram per liter eh?

 

[Poekus]

Probably less than half a gram as the 300mg wasn't totally dissolved after stirring it for about an hour on a stir plate. The unsolved Ca0H which was filtered out, could have easily been 100mg.

 

[Apoc]

I find this hard to believe. Why have we been told all this time then, that calcium hydroxide only works when hydrated, but not saturated, as in a solution? According to most sources I have sited, calcium hydroxide only has a ph of about 11.

However, I hope that what you say is true because I would much rather use CaOH than lye or sodium carbonate. I really really hope it's true. This could put an end to disgusting lye treated harmala and mimosa extractions. Thank you so much if this is true. But again, why have we been told otherwise for so long?

 

[Poekus]

Hi Apoc, I don´t lie, i also have the tendency to not take everything for granted what I read. That´s why I tried it out in the first place. Try google ´saturated CaOH in water Ph´on google and you´ll find a lot of legit sources (check out the reef forums) which tell you the Ph is above 12. If you still doubt it, you could easily try it yourself with some Ph strips-meter, some water, a coffeefilter and a little CaOH. It wouldn´t cost you a lot (about a dollar for all materials). After all seeing is believing :d !
I don´t know the Ph needed for Mimosa but if it´s the same as for cacti this should work equally well.

 

[Apoc]

I'm sure you don't lie, I just can't believe it.

WHOA WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!! I actually misread your first post. I read it and assumed you used 300 GRAMS of CaOH in 500ml of water. But you actually said 300 MILLI-FREAKING-GRAMS of CaOH in a solution of 500ml of water produced a ph of 12?!?!?!?!?!!!!! Really??? 300mg of CaOH? That's like a few sprinkles. Are you sure it was 300mg and not 300g?

I think dmt freebases at around 10, and the harmalas below 10. If what you say is true, then why isn't everyone using tiny pinches of CaOH instead of 1:1 ration of mimosa and lye!?

 

[Poekus]

Really??? 300mg of CaOH? That's like a few sprinkles. Are you sure it was 300mg and not 300g?

Yep only 300mg. Weighed on a microscale

 

[Apoc]

Really??? 300mg of CaOH? That's like a few sprinkles. Are you sure it was 300mg and not 300g?

Yep only 300mg. Weighed on a microscale

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well sir, you have blown my mind. But now then someone needs to explain why everyone isn't doing this for dmt and harmala extractions. If what you say is true, this should be a tremendous breakthrough.

Do you get the same resuts from putting like a gram of lye in 500ml of water?

 

[Poekus]

Do you get the same resuts from putting like a gram of lye in 500ml of water?

I only used lye for my drain so far .My start for the mescaline extraction was a concentrated tea to which I added a volume of basified water. The initial tea had PH5 but adding the solution brought it over 11. I don't know if it works for a thick sludge. That's something you should try out if you don't make a concentrated liquid fist.

 

[heavenlypursuit]

Sorry dude, but I'll almost guarantee you minimal yields if any with that amount of base. Have you performed the rest of the extraction yet? I don't see that amount of CaOH breaking down the sludge, resulting in a solvent layer that takes forever to separate when trying to retrieve the freebase mescaline, then a salting stage that will take forever for the layers to separate as well. When all is said and done, you will end up with small amount of full spectrum alkaloids that will literally turn to nothing once you start cleaning it up. Not trying to be a pessimist, but if CaOH could have definitively replaced NaOH or KOH in A/B extractions, it would have been the standard a long time ago. That being said, I really hope you prove me wrong and post some pics of your successful extraction with 300 mg's of calcium hydroxide.

 

[Poekus]

It was no sludge, it was concentrated tea with added basified water (very slightly slimey). The yield was on par with the STB I performed with the same cactus. The ingested material was equally active (cleaned hcl). Layer seperation was a bit of a problem but easily solved with hot water bath and washing machine vibrations. The salting stage had no emulsion problems to speak of. I don't feel the urge to prove you wrong with pics, I know you are out of actually trying it, and that's what counts from my perspective.
It's not that I have stocks in a CaOH production facility or something...

 

[Serenity]

It was no sludge, it was concentrated tea with added basified water (very slightly slimey). The yield was on par with the STB I performed with the same cactus. The ingested material was equally active (cleaned hcl). Layer seperation was a bit of a problem but easily solved with hot water bath and washing machine vibrations. The salting stage had no emulsion problems to speak of. I don't feel the urge to prove you wrong with pics, I know you are out of actually trying it, and that's what counts from my perspective.
It's not that I have stocks in a CaOH production facility or something...

Nice.

Poekus, thank you. Apoc shared your knowledge with me and I'm grateful to find more details. I intend to attempt this with Caapi tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes