Cautious seeker from the uk

[blackcatvagabond]

Hello Nexus, I'm glad to be here, I've been waiting all week to sign up. And now I'm here I feel this anxiety about making my "grand introduction", so to speak. I guess I should say a little about myself.
I live in the UK, I'm in my 20s (still feel like a kid), i work an unfulfilling job while trying to minimize my impact on the world. i guess i fit somewhere between a hippy and a nihilist. i like animals and playing music. but personality is all a meaningless construct anyway so let's get to the good stuff.

I broke through on DMT for the first time last week. I swapped it with a friend, for some mushrooms I'd grown. Now I'd tried getting high on DMT a few times in the past but I think our method was wrong. My buddy had an idea to put it in his volcano vaporiser, turned up to the max. We sprinkled it on top of some herbs.

The experience was everything I thought it was going to be. More than everything...Terence Mckenna came close to describing it but it's just too bizarre to be captured with words. I'd met entities on mushrooms before, but the things I met on DMT spoke ENGLISH! And they were so excited to meet me! The idea that there's more out there-- that I can return to that place-- it thrills me so much. It's all I've thought about since then.

I've been reading, and researching, and buying supplies all week and I came across the nexus. You seem like my kind of people. Hyperspace is a scary place and I'm glad to have found a community of open minded veteran voyagers.. My buddy who I did it with got slapped...trapped in the multiverse forever. When he came back he looked EXHAUSTED (and awestruck).

Anyway, today, I did an extraction on some MHRB. I'm no chemist but I think I did it right.. I guess I'll find out in the morning. I'll take some pictures to show you guys.
Peace

 

[BlackPanDA]

Welcome
This has to be the greatest community of people ive come across, diverse people that have tons and tons of knowledge and experience.

The entities experienced on dmt can come in all sorts and sizes and usually talk straight to your brain telepathically ime. Its a wonderful tool to open your mind and reconnect to LIFE.

thanks for the intro post, what type of music do you play if you dont mind me asking?

 

[Spaced Out 2]

Welcome to the nexus friend

Thanks for sharing a bit about yourself in your intro and as you'll learn there's no reason to have anxiety here as we appreciate the introductions.

Good to have another shroomer on board and in the community. Yes the dmt experience is so hard to put into words and flat out strange as hell. No amount of descriptions can come close to preparing you for a full blown breakthrough experience.

Welcome again, safe and happy journeys :thumb_up:


Peace
SO2

 

[blackcatvagabond]

Welcome
This has to be the greatest community of people ive come across, diverse people that have tons and tons of knowledge and experience.

The entities experienced on dmt can come in all sorts and sizes and usually talk straight to your brain telepathically ime. Its a wonderful tool to open your mind and reconnect to LIFE.

thanks for the intro post, what type of music do you play if you dont mind me asking?

The communications felt telepathic to me. I would describe their voices as being like a chord played, where a human voice is a single note.

I play in a stoner rock/doom band and I'm going on the road this summer with my folk/punk/blues act. But we don't have any music recorded that I can show you.

I'm going back to my lab to see if I have some crystals, later. Does it matter if I leave it in the freezer for a long time? Because at this point it's been in there about 19 hours.

Thanks for the welcome, folks.

Here's an album that put me into a state of holy rapture after eating some cubensis

 

[blackcatvagabond]

Here's what I saw when I opened my freezer.
As the (bartoline low-odour white spirit) evaporated, the white formations disappeared.

 

[blackcatvagabond]

and here's some pictures of the (barely visible) residue left on the dishes. Nothing in the coffee filter. is that DMT? Is it worth trying to scrape up those little bits? Can an expert figure out from these pics what I did wrong because I am baffled.

 

[blackcatvagabond]

update: now that it's all evaporated, some crystals appear to have formed. is this dmt...? am i posting this in the right place ...?

 

[BlackPanDA]

that does look like some good fluffy xtals in the first few pics, it melts at a little above room temp so may need to re dissolve in a small amount of warm solvent then pour onto a flat glass dish to get all the melted stuff.

ive found it quite helpful to use heptane to redissolve everything and the fats and oils will kind of fall out and clump together into a goo, while the dmt will dissolve into the heptane which you can pour out on a flat dish and let it evap., keep both though if this is the case, both are very active.

it looks right to me, but maybe its just melted a bit? did it melt into the coffee filter at room temp? ive had this happen to me once..

 

[Jaffster]

Welcome! There's a good few of us on here from the UK

The first lot of images look awesome, a really good pull.

The second batch of pictures; is it sticky to the touch? Is it like a film of clear sticky goo? If it is then it's entirely up to you (depending how fussy you are as to the purity of your DMT) but you can do (from experience) one of two things, either do as BlackPanda says and re-x or you can simply scrape over it with a razer blade lightly to disturb the top layer, leave it for an hour and it will have dried out and you'll be able to scrape it off like any other DMT. I've found that this stuff smokes just as well as any other DMT extraction 8)

 

[Spaced Out 2]

Looks like your xtals redissolved as the dish warmed up. After taking from the freezer the idea is to carefully pour off the solvent as quickly as possible and flip dish on its side next to a fan to evaporate any remaining solvent. Then when all the solvent is gone then you are left with fluff like what's in your first pics.

 

[blackcatvagabond]

OK, so I was totally freaked out when my crystals disappeared. I scraped up the recrystallized material with the tip of a knife (i'm using flat dishes next time), it looked white and fluffy. As it dried it turned a little yellow I guess due to oxidisation.
I figured you guys were right. I put the dish in a warm place after i siphoned off the bartoline and i guess i melted them all. could this have affected my yield? lots of that snowy stuff I had in the first pics was kind of floating around in the bartoline instead of being stuck to the bottom of the dish, is that normal? I feel like I'd lose a lot of it if I poured it off but I guess that's what the coffee filter is for, huh?

Anyway, let's get to the fun stuff.
After seeing your posts and getting a little reassurance from my (also inexperienced) friends that I'd done everything properly and I was careful so this stuff -must- be DMT, I weighed out a .045 (the amount I broke through on last time) into the volcano and got comfy. I was scared...like proper anxious butterflies in my stomach. Drugs never frightened me before I did DMT. But I couldn't be sure this was DMT. I could be about to poison myself. I chanted a mantra, from the album I linked above

aum tryambakam yajamage sugandhim pushtivardhanam
urva rukamiva banhanaan mrityor mukshiyam amritat

it's a prayer to Shiva asking him to take me to the mountains of meditation and deliver me from spiritual death. or something. the bag filled with thick white vapour. it stank..not like the DMT from before. guess I didn't dry it enough, or there were impurities in it.

On the first inhalation I knew I had succeeded. The room sharpened and behind me I felt the power of the DMT flash begin to build, like a great sonic engine gathering revs. I shut my eyes and prepared to lift off. After three hits I was nearly gone but it takes four to empty the bag. With a great effort I inhaled the fourth hit. I don't remember exhaling.

For a week I'd tried to remember the experience, the place I was in, but it was over so fast and so much happened I'd forgot how beautiful it was. And I was STUNNED. Here I was again. And it was the same place! And so I flew through these impossible corridors as impossible machinery was presented before me. Nothing made sense but I was at peace. And there were entities, great powerful beings like faces painted on balloons--not like the elves. I could feel their attention and their intentionality as they too swam through the corridors, i could feel them regarding me with indifference, busy with their work. I had been here before, in the first breakthrough, but I'd forgotten about it. I get the sense it's like an enormous office complex. I saw the same colour light again and had the same transcendent feeling of bliss and love. It was nice. Very affirming.

Anyway the elves took me down and I had the same experience of "falling back into the room" that I had the first time. It was very strange. I was very high indeed. But SO happy I had succeeded and again, with a great effort, I managed to rip myself up off the bed and start babbling to my friends.

The room had changed. I could still hear the elves telepathically communicating with me, though faint. And there was language on the walls, three different styles of lettering that I can remember (although I can't really remember it). I saw my friend Y as a benevolent buddha, the objects on his desk formed a futuristic, arabic-looking cityscape that surrounded him and became him. I turned to my left and my friend S was there--I saw him as an alien animal, something between a horse and a panther- but I couldn't remember his name. I asked what his name was, out loud, and he stayed silent. The elves answered me, spoke THROUGH me and I said it out loud. "ALEM" and as I said it, the words appeared in alien glyphs above his head, and glitched into english letters. it was the strangest thing. So now my buddy's got a cool nickname.

EDIT: i found the "DMT Vaping guide" and it says I'm doing really big doses. Is that right? Is the volcano simply ineffecient, am i vaping it at the wrong temp? What temperature does DMT vaporize at anyway? And surely dosage varies based on purity of product, anyway? Is that a negligible difference?

 

[Spaced Out 2]

I know nothing about the solvent you used as I use naphtha. Yes I use flat dishes as well, as it seems easier to scrape up the end product. That clear to yellowish goo is perfectly fine to smoke as long as you're sure there's no solvent left in it.
I like to pour off the bulk of the solvent and then what little is left that might look milky still or have little floaters in it gets transferred to a smaller dish to just evap off and the bulk gets reused. I never use filters just because I'm afraid some of my stuff might get mixed up in it.

Never used a volcano so don't know how they work, for freebase I just use my GVG, and for my changa it's a regular bowl, or a bong. In the GVG I usually go with 25-30mg and that will usually do the trick.

Nice trip report by the way. Sounds like it was DMT to me. It's hard to remember the details of a breakthrough trip, I can remember sub breakthroughs a bit better. Immediately after you could always try to write everything down before you lose it, may help recall things that you may have forgotten about.


Peace

 

[blackcatvagabond]

I've seen a bunch of people on here say that the Bartoline stuff is clean but to me it looks like there's a residue. I can't get a good enough photo. And it takes FOREVER to evap. I'm thinking I'll try Ronsonol next...Maybe it won't taste so bad. I have the same reservations as you about filters...like the ones I have are made of paper and I feel like that's a lot of surface area for crystals to cling to. Thanks for the advice.

Since I posted last, I vaped the other hit. I don't remember much at all but I spoke out loud for like two minutes while I was there, my buddy recorded it. It's just gibberish really. Baby talk. In the dream I was having fun...feeling the color of my voice. I'm not sure if it was glossolalia. I was doing it on purpose but I was definitely not deciding what came out. Still there's something remarkable about vocalizing on DMT. Using your body as a vessel for sound. . it's trippy. Anyone ever blown their hit out through a didgeridoo? I feel like I want to try it. Let them know I'm coming This stuff has felt really good to me every time I've had it, weird yes but always quite gentle and euphoric and blissful. I've had some pretty difficult/scary experiences with salvia, mesc shrooms and lsd and i feel like i can handle my shit pretty good.

I made a bit more DMT. the first batch was fluffy white crystals, much cleaner looking than the last. I vaped a small amount yesterday to test it (.021) and I had a calm, dreamy experience. . . I don't think I broke through. It was more like going to sleep. Very blissful but with none of the craziness of the earlier trips. I have another pyrex in the freezer as I type this, and I finished the 100g bark I bought. I want to make enough to last me and my closest for a good time, so I guess I better order some more bark. And that Ronsonol stuff.

When I came to last night I came to a realization. I smoke pot basically all the time, when I'm not working. If I'm awake I'm stoned. I've read reports that mj makes the DMT experience less discernible. Now I love weed I think it makes me calmer and kinder and it's a been a big part of my life for the longest time, but :? would ya look at that I woke up this morning and didn't get high and I'm gonna be stone sober for a week before I try DMT again.

peace

 

[JisforJohnathan]

i had this exact same thing happen a few times. for me i was slightly heating my mix before i separated my solvent and when i put it in a dish and put cellophane over it i threw it in the freezer and it looked great till i took it out. it melted just like yours and after a while xstals appeared similarly in the center of my dish but just a tiny amount in comparison to what it was before. it was a couple times more before i realized the solvent was warm and steaming and causing a few drops of condensation on the top of the plastic. when i opened my freezer once i saw the water drop in and the next dry same thing happened. i make sure my solvent and containers are all cold before. not sure if thats even how it works to be honest lol but since i started doing that and cooling my naphtha down before freezing, i haven't had a problem with the melting xstals.

 

[upwaysidedown]

I've seen a bunch of people on here say that the Bartoline stuff is clean but to me it looks like there's a residue. I can't get a good enough photo. And it takes FOREVER to evap. I'm thinking I'll try Ronsonol next...Maybe it won't taste so bad. I have the same reservations as you about filters...like the ones I have are made of paper and I feel like that's a lot of surface area for crystals to cling to. Thanks for the advice.

Bartoline is good (well where I am, who knows if the stuff where you are is the same), I've tested it for residue and used it very successfully. If you are worried about your batch then test some by pouring a little onto a nice shiny clean surface and wait for it to evap, then check the surface for residue.

My recommendations are: pour off as much as you can on exiting the freezer, but you never seem to get it all. Then cover it again whilst it warms to room temperature (to avoid condensation forming on it when it is cold - probably not a problem if you are in an arid climate) and let it evap whilst flat (because that which is left will dissolve some and I would hate it to lose any by it dripping off).

For it seeming less afterwards, well you have slow formed crystals afterwards compared to fluffy fast formed ones in the freezer - it probably looks less but it may not necessarily be so.

Anyway, sounds like you are getting a rythm going with your pulls, and yes each successive pull does seem to start to pull some other stuff from the plants esp when the DMT is lower in concentration, you can always clean the later ones as they get too dark for your liking, or be happy with the extra elements!

Also on dosage - I had been vaping 40mg in a desktop vape - yes this is a lot and I would clear it in 2, it sent me to the back of beyond where I could not remember being human, I've cut it down to 35mg and I can remember me when I am there which is great especially as it was really annoying to meet God and be allowed to ask a question, only to find you couldn't remember anything of relevance to this reality. It does seem to be more than your GVG user has, but I'm also bagging it - and I think that is where it gets lossy rather than a straight hit, but for me it avoids a lot of fiddlyness for which I am willing to sacrifice some spice.

Also - nice trip reports. DMT does seem to make you want to clear your mind of all other influences. I have dropped alcohol consumption to near none, cutting down caffeine and sugar is next on my hit list.

 

[Intezam]

Not sure, but we just looked up bartoline white spirit and it's heavy hydrodesulphurized naphtha with a lots of aromatics CAS-No.: 64742-82-1 -- maybe better switch to a moar light naphtha (CAS-No.: 64742-89-8 )

 

[upwaysidedown]

Not sure, but we just looked up bartoline white spirit and it's heavy hydrodesulphurized naphtha with a lots of aromatics CAS-No.: 64742-82-1 (basicly: kerosene) maybe switch to a moar light naphtha (CAS-No.: 64742-89-8 )

Its the premium low odour one you want to look at which is somewhat different, that one is the cheap dirty one. http://www.bartoline.co.uk/Datasheet_View.aspx?articleid=50 would appreciate your feedback as I know little about the suitability of specific hydrocarbons, but it does seem to have no residue.

Extractions seem to work well with it, but yes it takes a while to evap.

 

[Intezam]

Again, not sure, we are not an expert here but their "premium" odorless kerosene (EC No.: 919-857-5 = CAS No.: 647 42-48-9 ), is maybe better, anyways, this is what benzyme said. But maybe this one is okay if it has only 2% aromatics? It was still listed as heavy naphtha tho.....:lol:

 

[Jaffster]

The whole terminology in the UK is confusing.

To keep things simple, if you want a clean, light naptha then just purchase Ronsonol lighter fluid, it's great stuff, costs roughly £3 a bottle if you buy them individually, but you can buy packs of 24 for £40 if you shop around, I guess that just depends on how often you'll be extracting spice.

It's available on Amazon & eBay etc etc.

 

[woody]

I'd add that Bull Brand lighter fluid is good to use too, evaps clean. Usually find it for about £1 a tin in discount shops.