Changa Healing

[ghostman]

Well, with your current belief systems, you are most certainly in for a surprise...


Good luck.

Trust me, I'm no athiest. The "spirit world" exists to an extent, but it is only an extension of our perception. To say that there are "spirits" or "souls" is to live in a world of duality. The shamans believe in "spirits", but shamans are far from enlightened. They are very competitive and even attack each other. There is a sense of elitism. No one is seperate from one another, there is only one energy, and one God, and we are it. There is only one energy.

It's all very well to speculate and theorize. When you come face to face with an alien intelligence that is undeniably and infinitely ancient, or god, or the oneness, it's difficult to make sense of. So we just accept.

You are correct to say that we are one energy, one god, oneness. It's just quite shocking when you are actually presented with this. Whether this is external or an internal projection, well, therein lies the conundrum.

 

[Folding Worm•]

Well, with your current belief systems, you are most certainly in for a surprise...


Good luck.

Trust me, I'm no athiest. The "spirit world" exists to an extent, but it is only an extension of our perception. To say that there are "spirits" or "souls" is to live in a world of duality. The shamans believe in "spirits", but shamans are far from enlightened. They are very competitive and even attack each other. There is a sense of elitism. No one is seperate from one another, there is only one energy, and one God, and we are it. There is only one energy.

If I had to give you any advice right now it would be:

1. Expect nothing, especially enlightenment.
2. Lay off the drugs.
3. If you can't do #2, then explore the possibilities at your own risk.

 

[gibran2]

From the studies I have been personally conducting, I believe that when we are in these profound altered states such as DMT, it only shows us a reflection of ourselves.. Nothing outside of our self. In my personal opinion there is no spirit world except for the one that we project from within ourselves. There is only energy, and we are all this one energy. I do believe that used in the right context, and with the right timing, these molecules/plants have a lot to teach us in regards to how we are currently living.. That being said, I think that if SWIM were to smoke a breakthrough dose, he more than likely would see something ugly.. because the state he is in would be reflected.

Some believe that what they experience is a reflection of self, and indeed this may be the case for some. But my personal experience has been very different.

The things I often see are clearly not a product of my mind. There is an immaterial realm that lies beyond this world and beyond our comprehension, and I believe that this is what we experience during a DMT breakthrough. The reality is self-evident. I did not have these beliefs prior to DMT use.

Although mindset can influence a DMT journey, it definitely doesn’t control it. As part of the healing, you will be shown what you need to see.

 

[PureMan]

salvia is merciful, whereas DMT is not.

I felt absolutely no mercy from salvia. It definitely could have been my perception at the time, but it felt as though during the trip "they" were trying to fix the mess I had made by smoking the salvia and getting to that bizarre state. I remember almost every aspect of that journey. From my experience, I would almost say that I would prefer to be literally raped, than to be raped by salvia again.

 

[PureMan]

From the studies I have been personally conducting, I believe that when we are in these profound altered states such as DMT, it only shows us a reflection of ourselves.. Nothing outside of our self. In my personal opinion there is no spirit world except for the one that we project from within ourselves. There is only energy, and we are all this one energy. I do believe that used in the right context, and with the right timing, these molecules/plants have a lot to teach us in regards to how we are currently living.. That being said, I think that if SWIM were to smoke a breakthrough dose, he more than likely would see something ugly.. because the state he is in would be reflected.

Some believe that what they experience is a reflection of self, and indeed this may be the case for some. But my personal experience has been very different.

The things I often see are clearly not a product of my mind. There is an immaterial realm that lies beyond this world and beyond our comprehension, and I believe that this is what we experience during a DMT breakthrough. The reality is self-evident. I did not have these beliefs prior to DMT use.

Although mindset can influence a DMT journey, it definitely doesn’t control it. As part of the healing, you will be shown what you need to see.

I know I haven't broken through yet, but I have in fact been doing my research on the subject. Have you heard of Martin W. Ball phd? He wrote a book that I just recently read called "Being Human" and it has completely changed the way I perceive things. He works with DMT, 5-meo, and salvia. Basically, and very basically, he talks about how no one is seperate from one another. From his experiences, as well as many others such as James Oroc, people have found that when a person smokes a breakthrough dose of 5-meo, it takes you past the realm of nn-dmt, and brings you to the pure experience of "god" as some people call it. We all have this energy within us, so why would anyone be seperate from one another if we all come from the same energy source? It makes sense to me. When a person smokes DMT you are only amplifying mental processes and energies.. It isn't so much that you are seeing "spirits" as much as you are seeing hidden aspects of yourself. This is what the shamans did not know.. hence the competition and jealousy between each other. They are living in a world of duality.. but in truth all is ONE. www.entheological-paradigm.net

 

[gibran2]

I know I haven't broken through yet, but I have in fact been doing my research on the subject. Have you heard of Martin W. Ball phd? He wrote a book that I just recently read called "Being Human" and it has completely changed the way I perceive things. He works with DMT, 5-meo, and salvia. Basically, and very basically, he talks about how no one is seperate from one another. From his experiences, as well as many others such as James Oroc, people have found that when a person smokes a breakthrough dose of 5-meo, it takes you past the realm of nn-dmt, and brings you to the pure experience of "god" as some people call it. We all have this energy within us, so why would anyone be seperate from one another if we all come from the same energy source? It makes sense to me. When a person smokes DMT you are only amplifying mental processes and energies.. It isn't so much that you are seeing "spirits" as much as you are seeing hidden aspects of yourself. This is what the shamans did not know.. hence the competition and jealousy between each other. They are living in a world of duality.. but in truth all is ONE. www.entheological-paradigm.net

I used to listen to Martin Ball on Entheogenic Evolution. Some of what he has to say makes sense, some not so much. We each experience DMT, and life for that matter, uniquely. (He stated that he never saw entities on DMT, and therefore claimed that they were fictions created by the mind.)

As far as 5-meo-DMT taking you “past the realm” of n,n-DMT, I can’t say from personal experience, but entheogens each show us aspects of a greater reality from a particular point of view, don’t they?

I suppose that if you view everything as one (and this seems to be a reasonable view), then entities encountered during a breakthrough are extensions of self. But you could say the same about your everyday life – all people and all things are extensions of self, or more precisely, extensions of the “one” self.

Would you use DMT if you believed that the entities were mind-independent intelligent beings inhabiting an immaterial realm?

 

[PureMan]

I know I haven't broken through yet, but I have in fact been doing my research on the subject. Have you heard of Martin W. Ball phd? He wrote a book that I just recently read called "Being Human" and it has completely changed the way I perceive things. He works with DMT, 5-meo, and salvia. Basically, and very basically, he talks about how no one is seperate from one another. From his experiences, as well as many others such as James Oroc, people have found that when a person smokes a breakthrough dose of 5-meo, it takes you past the realm of nn-dmt, and brings you to the pure experience of "god" as some people call it. We all have this energy within us, so why would anyone be seperate from one another if we all come from the same energy source? It makes sense to me. When a person smokes DMT you are only amplifying mental processes and energies.. It isn't so much that you are seeing "spirits" as much as you are seeing hidden aspects of yourself. This is what the shamans did not know.. hence the competition and jealousy between each other. They are living in a world of duality.. but in truth all is ONE. www.entheological-paradigm.net

I used to listen to Martin Ball on Entheogenic Evolution. Some of what he has to say makes sense, some not so much. We each experience DMT, and life for that matter, uniquely. (He stated that he never saw entities on DMT, and therefore claimed that they were fictions created by the mind.)

As far as 5-meo-DMT taking you “past the realm” of n,n-DMT, I can’t say from personal experience, but entheogens each show us aspects of a greater reality from a particular point of view, don’t they?

I suppose that if you view everything as one (and this seems to be a reasonable view), then entities encountered during a breakthrough are extensions of self. But you could say the same about your everyday life – all people and all things are extensions of self, or more precisely, extensions of the “one” self.

Would you use DMT if you believed that the entities were mind-independent intelligent beings inhabiting an immaterial realm?

Hmm.. Maybe he didn't see "entities" because he already was aware of them being a reflection, and then moved to the next step past that. Not sure.. That is a good point though. I did hear him talk about how McKenna saw "self transforming machine elves" because he didn't recognize that he was looking in a funhouse mirror.. and in a sense, giving a new mythology to DMT because of it. Who would have wanted to try DMT if all they heard was that it "could" open them up to their own authentic energies?.. Self transforming machine elves just makes people want to try it.. and in a sense, maybe that is what Terence had in mind.. lol who knows really. Terence doesn't go so much into the authenticity aspect of the experience.

In my opinion, Martin makes more logical sense than Terence.. but Terence still has a place in my heart. His stoned ape theory may not be far off.

I think that it may very well be possibly that we are all the same being experiencing itself subjectively, as the great comedian Bill Hicks said.. and if this is true than yes, another person or even another object for that matter is an extension of self. I don't know from experience yet though if this is true, but it does make sense to me.

If the DMT "beings" are actually entities seperate from me with minds of their own I would be very shocked.. delighted.. but shocked.... but at the same time, everyones first breakthrough experience makes them realize that they don't really know... so I guess I will have to find out for myself.

 

[gibran2]

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If the DMT "beings" are actually entities seperate from me with minds of their own I would be very shocked.. delighted.. but shocked.... but at the same time, everyones first breakthrough experience makes them realize that they don't really know... so I guess I will have to find out for myself.

Prepare to be shocked and delighted.

 

[PureMan]

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If the DMT "beings" are actually entities seperate from me with minds of their own I would be very shocked.. delighted.. but shocked.... but at the same time, everyones first breakthrough experience makes them realize that they don't really know... so I guess I will have to find out for myself.

Prepare to be shocked and delighted.

ok so I have to ask you then.. Have you ever gone past the realm of entities?.. and if you haven't, how do you know that their own sentience isn't only a product of mind?

 

[gibran2]

ok so I have to ask you then.. Have you ever gone past the realm of entities?.. and if you haven't, how do you know that their own sentience isn't only a product of mind?

These are questions you’ll have to answer for yourself.

I can tell you what I’ve experienced, but your experiences will be uniquely yours. There are realms with entities, and realms without. I don’t see how one is “past” the other.

I have experienced things that are clearly beyond the creative capacity of the mind. So either:

a) The experiences I’ve had are not purely a product of the mind.

-or-

b) The “mind” is something beyond our capacity to understand.

We’ve talked about salvia earlier, and although salvia is powerful, I’ve never felt that the realms I’ve visited while using salvia are literally real. Maybe a “translation” of a deeper reality, maybe a depiction of the subconscious. But not literally real.

DMT is different. The experiences I’ve had (and again, as is true for all of us, my experiences are uniquely mine) are self-evidently real. I don’t believe that the mind is capable of creating a whole, rich, detailed logically consistent reality that is unlike anything I’ve ever seen or experienced in this reality.

If you experience it, then you’ll know.

 

[PureMan]

ok so I have to ask you then.. Have you ever gone past the realm of entities?.. and if you haven't, how do you know that their own sentience isn't only a product of mind?

These are questions you’ll have to answer for yourself.

I can tell you what I’ve experienced, but your experiences will be uniquely yours. There are realms with entities, and realms without. I don’t see how one is “past” the other.

I have experienced things that are clearly beyond the creative capacity of the mind. So either:

a) The experiences I’ve had are not purely a product of the mind.

-or-

b) The “mind” is something beyond our capacity to understand.

We’ve talked about salvia earlier, and although salvia is powerful, I’ve never felt that the realms I’ve visited while using salvia are literally real. Maybe a “translation” of a deeper reality, maybe a depiction of the subconscious. But not literally real.

DMT is different. The experiences I’ve had (and again, as is true for all of us, my experiences are uniquely mine) are self-evidently real. I don’t believe that the mind is capable of creating a whole, rich, detailed logically consistent reality that is unlike anything I’ve ever seen or experienced in this reality.

If you experience it, then you’ll know.

I know that I have not experienced the DMT realm yet, but I do think it is possible that the mind is beyond our capacity to comprehend. Quantum physics shows that our observance on an object brings this object into physical "being".. but as soon as we look away it is everywhere else. Our minds are far more powerful than any of us truly understand.

The fact that these worlds are beyond our limited comprehension shows that what our mind perceives on a normal basis is only skimming the surface to what is actually happening.

True.. these beings might have a mind of their own, but who is to say that this is not only a part of you? Alice in Wonderland comes to mind.. All of these characters are sentient, but are only aspects of Alice's own subconscious mind.

 

[ragabr]

Gibran2 has mentioned several times, it depends on which "you" one wishes to refer to. If we mean the primate body/ego typing at this moment, then no possible way do the entities reduce to aspects of that. Hyperspace can reach into our normal lives once we have sufficiently engaged it. The entities communicate levels of coherent information far beyond anything that this monkey has had exposure to.

I think that perhaps some individuals have a neurological disposition that prevents them from accessing the entities. It's clear that some individuals on the Nexus, much more experienced than SWIM with the spice, have a completely different reaction.

Edit: I'd like to apologize for continuing the derail of this thread.

 

[PureMan]

Well, I guess the only way I can find out for myself is personal experience.. and since I haven't undergone the initiation yet, I don't really have a lot of room to talk. I do appreciate your views though!

 

[88]

Cloud - I admire your honesty, and the humility with which you are approaching this - and I believe these are qualities that will serve you well in your journeys, despite all the bad you perceive in yourself and that you are afraid of being confronted with. Your caution too speaks of maturity, and clearly there is an openness in your search. But it does appear you feel the need to do this. Folding Worm advises you think carefully before going down this path - and I would second that. It is indeed the red pill. There is no going back. It will alter your perception and awareness. But if this is what you seek, then it is the path you must take.

I have found extraordinary joy, love and healing through changa. But I have also had to face my demons, my shortcomings, and darkness. There have been times when I've thoght, 'never again - I can't do this', but I have been compelled to continue.

My life has been changed by the experience, although there is still much that needs to be addressed. It can show you things, but you must choose to act. If there are things you need to deal with, you will still need to deal with them - one way or another.

Whatever you choose to do, whether you choose to go down this path or not - I wish you safe travels, friend, and I hope you find the peace you need on your journey through this extraordinary life.

 

[BloodShotEyes]

Cloud,

i too had a very profound experience on salvia. It does not necessarily push me away from trying the molecule but it does make me have a great deal of respect for it.

Just something to suggest though, as far as, integrating the experience into your daily life. Especially, to help you fight whatever demons you might have. I would highly recommend you engage in San Pedro healing. I can speak from experience, as i too had a very similar situation in the past as yours. The cacti did wonders for me. It might even take a few experiences if you are a hard ass like myself but it does work!

You are already on the right path, you feel the need for change. It is not a matter of if but when you can change.

Best of luck

 

[PureMan]

Thank you everyone for your encouraging words! Tomorrow I set my path towards a new self. SWIM will only start working with changa/spice once he knows he is ready. It is an experience to be taken with the right intent.

 

[PureMan]

Cloud,
The cacti did wonders for me. It might even take a few experiences if you are a hard ass like myself but it does work!

If I had some available, I would definitely take that into consideration.

 

[ghostman]

Thank you everyone for your encouraging words! Tomorrow I set my path towards a new self. SWIM will only start working with changa/spice once he knows he is ready. It is an experience to be taken with the right intent.

It sounds to me like your intent is there, your heart is in it and are we ever ready?

What blend of changa are you making? Have you got Caapi leaf or Caapi vine? As mentioned earlier, take 10g Caapi leaf or Vine and soak that in IPA or Acetone for a week or so. Then use that IPA or Acetone to infuse 1g DMT into 1g Plant Matter, preferably more Caapi leaf or Pau d'Arco/Caapi (50/50)

The healing comes from the vine and the symbiosis works through the DMT (this is my personal interpretation). You should also make Caapi vine tea and drink it a few times a week.

My tea method is simple: I take 50g Vine and I let it soak in 2l water with a little lemon juice. When I decant it to drink it, I warm it up and add a little honey, tastes great. I keep topping it up until I can see it's becoming too diluted at which point I take it out and cook it up and reduce it to get the last out of it.

I drink this at night when I am feeling peaceful and before I go to sleep. I get healing dreams and often wake up with profound messages and lessons. It's subtle work lifts my spirits and makes me feel strong and grounded. 1 small cup of tea a day works wonders.

You can also make tea from the leaves or you can smoke a joint of the leaves or even a bowl from time to time.

Safe travels and remember that we are here to listen, encourage and reinforce.

Peace.

 

[PureMan]

Thank you everyone for your encouraging words! Tomorrow I set my path towards a new self. SWIM will only start working with changa/spice once he knows he is ready. It is an experience to be taken with the right intent.

It sounds to me like your intent is there, your heart is in it and are we ever ready?

What blend of changa are you making? Have you got Caapi leaf or Caapi vine? As mentioned earlier, take 10g Caapi leaf or Vine and soak that in IPA or Acetone for a week or so. Then use that IPA or Acetone to infuse 1g DMT into 1g Plant Matter, preferably more Caapi leaf or Pau d'Arco/Caapi (50/50)

The healing comes from the vine and the symbiosis works through the DMT (this is my personal interpretation). You should also make Caapi vine tea and drink it a few times a week.

My tea method is simple: I take 50g Vine and I let it soak in 2l water with a little lemon juice. When I decant it to drink it, I warm it up and add a little honey, tastes great. I keep topping it up until I can see it's becoming too diluted at which point I take it out and cook it up and reduce it to get the last out of it.

I drink this at night when I am feeling peaceful and before I go to sleep. I get healing dreams and often wake up with profound messages and lessons. It's subtle work lifts my spirits and makes me feel strong and grounded. 1 small cup of tea a day works wonders.

You can also make tea from the leaves or you can smoke a joint of the leaves or even a bowl from time to time.

Safe travels and remember that we are here to listen, encourage and reinforce.

Peace.

SWIMs blend at the moment is:

-150mg caapi 10/1 extract
-250mg caapi leaf
-250mg blue lotus
-450mg spice

SWIM has got 1kg of vine that should be here within the next few weeks, as well as 100g chacruna, and 150g chaliponga. SWIM will definitely start with vine only though.

 

[consciousness]

Wow, ghostman, nice posts.

Swim wants to make changa too, he's also interested in healing and growth. He began working with caapi a little bit and understands why everyone seems to like it.

He's soaking 10g caapi vines in ipa per your recipe. Also ordered some Pau d'Arco. It's a wood right? You just smoke it? How come people usually extract from caapi instead of directly smoking the vine? Swim has layered vine powder to vaporize dmt and it seemed ok. What do you think of using blue lotus in changa?