Coleus blumei and syrian rue

[harmala_afficianado]

Im a daily harmala user, and ive been experimenting with alot off not well known plants to combine with rue, recently, i got some coleus leaves as i heard that certain species contain some salvinorin, and turns out the one i got had some salvinorin (im pretty sure), at first i started with 2-3 leaves, and it wasnt very hallucinogenic, but i was more sensitive to light and sound, music sounded really really good, almost heavenly, and i felt unusually clear headed, like no thoughts in my head, it was like i was isolated in a huge space, which was my mind.


The second day i took about 5-8 leaves, and the euphoria was way stronger, i felt amazing, music was mindblowing, had the time of my life.

So the 3rd day, i took about 10 leaves, and as soon as it kicked in i instantly regret it, it hit waayyyy harder than i expected, about 45 mins later i was full on tripping, i literally felt like i smoked salvia, ive never tried salvia but i read alott of trip reports about it, the high was extremely weird, people say psychedelics cannot be described, well descrbing psychedelics is a 100 times easier than describing coleus/salvia, the visuals were extremely strange like everything around me felt like it was from a diff dimension even tho it looked the same, but there was a certain beauty in it, i cant quite describe them, and anything i stared at seemed to suck me into it, like i stared stared at carpet and was completely sucked into the patterns on the carpet, like i would forget everything in the world and live in a f****d up realm of patterns, was very weirded out but i was trying my best to just chill and stop reacting, this time music sounded weird and foreign instead of euphoric, and a few mins after playing the music i would feel indescribable stuff, i literally heard the music backwards, and at times time would freeze, like small moments in eternity.

Tried to sleep it off but it got even crazier, as soon as i close my eyes i feel like theres a jungle of very weird alien entites, saying and making all kinds of weird stuff and noises, they matched how people describe salvia entites, they disgusted me, they were not comparable to humans in the slightest, 0 similarities, they were full on alien, more alien than psychedelic entites, i felt extremely disgusted from them, and i couldnt sleep the whole night, altho i had really nice afterglow the next day, but i dont think im taking it again soon, at least not more than 3-4 leaves.

Im pretty sure the harmalas potentiated it massively, because the threshold amount for most people was 10-20 leaves, or perhaps i just got a powerful strain.

This plant is the weirdest thing ive ever seen, i have a difficulty describing it, so i would be interested if anyone who tried coleus would try to describe his experience. I wanna know its essence.

 

[SkunK]

A couple questions for you

1) How are you taking the Coleus Leafs? are your quidding them and letting the juices to absorb through the oral mucosa instead of being swallowed?

2) Whats your dosage of Syrian Rue, Whole seed in a brew/ how long before taking the Coleus ?

3) Any Photos of the Coleus in question

Does sound quite Salviaish in your discription,

 

[taita]

Sounds wild!
I don't have any experience with coleus, but I'm curious about your daily harmala use. Do you notice any downside in terms of life, relationships, or health with taking it daily? Would you consider it a dependency?
Not trying to imply anything, I'm just genuinely curious.
I imagine I can understand the upside of daily use, and I think I've seen you write about it elsewhere, I'm just curious if there is another (dark) side of the coin in your experience. Thanks, and apologies if you have already addressed this elsewhere

 

[harmala_afficianado]

A couple questions for you

1) How are you taking the Coleus Leafs? are your quidding them and letting the juices to absorb through the oral mucosa instead of being swallowed?

2) Whats your dosage of Syrian Rue, Whole seed in a brew/ how long before taking the Coleus ?

3) Any Photos of the Coleus in question

Does sound quite Salviaish in your discription,

I just chewed and swallowed the leaves fresh, i take about 7g rue ground up in capsules daily, i was actually taking 12g daily at some point, but i lowered it because i was afraid of potential liver stress, the first 2 days i took the coleus about 2-3 hrs after the rue, but the 3rd day i took them both at the same time, which was probably a big factor in why i tripped so hard the 3rd day.


These are the ones i got, both seem to be similar in potency altho i feel like the smaller one is abit stronger.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Sounds wild!
I don't have any experience with coleus, but I'm curious about your daily harmala use. Do you notice any downside in terms of life, relationships, or health with taking it daily? Would you consider it a dependency?
Not trying to imply anything, I'm just genuinely curious.
I imagine I can understand the upside of daily use, and I think I've seen you write about it elsewhere, I'm just curious if there is another (dark) side of the coin in your experience. Thanks, and apologies if you have already addressed this elsewhere

The only downside is a slightly harder time sleeping, some days i would miss some sleep, other than that, its purely positive in every aspect, rue is a miracle, i call it spiritual power.

And there is no withdrawal whatsoever, infact most of the time i feel extra happy when i stop, but i take rue as a medicine, because i know its extremely good for me, and i had a really tough time to get used to it, so im not ready to do it all again.

 

[taita]

The only downside is a slightly harder time sleeping, some days i would miss some sleep, other than that, its purely positive in every aspect, rue is a miracle, i call it spiritual power.

And there is no withdrawal whatsoever, infact most of the time i feel extra happy when i stop, but i take rue as a medicine, because i know its extremely good for me, and i had a really tough time to get used to it, so im not ready to do it all again.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, I'm glad to hear that it's been so positive

 

[Jamie01]

It’s hard to really judge effects if you have no real experience with salvia. Some of this description does not sound like salvia to me except for where you describe it as being “isolated in a huge space “ inside of your mind. That’s very typical of salvia. It will usually also feel prickly on the skin and can cause a feeling of dysphoria. Your vision will feel often like it’s sliding, or pulling to one side..often pulling you with it. Also often you will be sweating and feel itchy like you need an anti histamine for a bit. As you go deeper it’s like your mind is splitting up and you(or in my case anyway) become almost schizophrenic.

 

[Jamie01]

The red and green coleus like shown above I have grown a lot and tried with little to no effect but def not anything that felt like salvinorin. The lime green coleus I have never tried but reports do seem positive.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

It’s hard to really judge effects if you have no real experience with salvia. Some of this description does not sound like salvia to me except for where you describe it as being “isolated in a huge space “ inside of your mind. That’s very typical of salvia. It will usually also feel prickly on the skin and can cause a feeling of dysphoria. Your vision will feel often like it’s sliding, or pulling to one side..often pulling you with it. Also often you will be sweating and feel itchy like you need an anti histamine for a bit. As you go deeper it’s like your mind is splitting up and you(or in my case anyway) become almost schizophrenic.

Well im not saying its identical to salvia, but it sure is very similar based on how people describe it, it might contain compounds similar to salvinorin that produces the effect, the visuals i got were hard to explain, just felt like i was seeing everything from a different dimension, and everything felt lke it was merging together, cant explain it, the high just felt very alien, and i def felt my mind "splitting up", when i tried to close my eyes to sleep i would be in this weird realm of alien entities, they were sooo weird and their personality just disgusted me, and i also felt the weird gravity effect people describe with salvia

 

[Jamie01]

Sooner or later someone will break through with a coleus and then it will be undeniable. Until then I’m just buying the green ones when I see them in case.

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

...when i tried to close my eyes to sleep i would be in this weird realm of alien entities, they were sooo weird and their personality just disgusted me...

I'm very interested: what about their personality was so disgusting? What were these aliens doing? What did they look like? Did they notice you or try to interact?

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I'm very interested: what about their personality was so disgusting? What were these aliens doing? What did they look like? Did they notice you or try to interact?

I really dont know how to describe them because they were unlike anything else, when i layed in bed i felt them making random noises with a troll vibe like they were trying to grab my attention, like they were playing around, then i tried to sleep and closed my eyes and i felt like they were gathering and gathering like they were waiting for me, until they became soo many that i felt like i was in a jungle and i got overwhelmed, some of them were playing drums, and there was a female entity trying to talk to me and she said something that i dont remember, i literally heard her voice like i was hearing it physically, the way her voice sounded and the way she said what she said completely disgusted me, it felt like she was purposefully trying to disgust me as she knew i felt disgusted.

I dont really remember what they looked like because i wasnt trying to see them as they disgusted me, but i remember the female entity looked slightly wolf like.

God i hate them, idk how exactly were they disgusting, but they sure were absolutely disgusting.

 

[Jamie01]

Did you feel dysphoric at all? Could that have aided the disgusted feelings towards the entities? Salvinorin is similar to dynorphin, which is an endogenous kappa agonist. It produces dysphoria, anxiety, confusion and dissatisfaction etc. Salvinorin can still be enjoyable but this is why a lot of ppl hate salvia.

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

I really dont know how to describe them because they were unlike anything else, when i layed in bed i felt them making random noises with a troll vibe like they were trying to grab my attention, like they were playing around, then i tried to sleep and closed my eyes and i felt like they were gathering and gathering like they were waiting for me, until they became soo many that i felt like i was in a jungle and i got overwhelmed, some of them were playing drums, and there was a female entity trying to talk to me and she said something that i dont remember, i literally heard her voice like i was hearing it physically, the way her voice sounded and the way she said what she said completely disgusted me, it felt like she was purposefully trying to disgust me as she knew i felt disgusted.

I dont really remember what they looked like because i wasnt trying to see them as they disgusted me, but i remember the female entity looked slightly wolf like.

God i hate them, idk how exactly were they disgusting, but they sure were absolutely disgusting.

Were they filthy and unclean?

 

[SkunK]

I was under the assumption that the Salvia Alkaloid , was broken down by the digestive tract, reason why I had asked what ROA you had used, but please forgive my ignorance if I am mistaken.

I thought one needed to Quid on a bundle of leafs and let the juices steep in ones mouth or to Heat with high heat and inhailed.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Did you feel dysphoric at all? Could that have aided the disgusted feelings towards the entities? Salvinorin is similar to dynorphin, which is an endogenous kappa agonist. It produces dysphoria, anxiety, confusion and dissatisfaction etc. Salvinorin can still be enjoyable but this is why a lot of ppl hate salvia.

Hmm, im not sure if i would call it dysphoria, i think if it wasnt for the rue i might have felt dysphoric, rue is really good at removing negative feelings, i just felt weirded out, like i opened up a weird realm i would have rather not opened, i actually felt really good in the end like 4 hrs after eating the coleus, the coleus boosted the rue visuals i always get and added a certain beauty to it, i can def see how this trip could be enjoyable, i just wasnt ready for it.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Were they filthy and unclean?

Not sure what you mean exactly but it was more their personality that disgusted me, yes they had a "filthy" personality, they just had a very "goofy" vibe like they were stupid adults acting like children, and i didnt sense any good intention in them.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I was under the assumption that the Salvia Alkaloid , was broken down by the digestive tract, reason why I had asked what ROA you had used, but please forgive my ignorance if I am mistaken.

I thought one needed to Quid on a bundle of leafs and let the juices steep in ones mouth or to Heat with high heat and inhailed.

I chewed the leafs well until the juice fully came out and just swallowed it, i think coleus might have salvinorin like compounds that are structually similar but not salvinorin a

 

[Jamie01]

I was under the assumption that the Salvia Alkaloid , was broken down by the digestive tract, reason why I had asked what ROA you had used, but please forgive my ignorance if I am mistaken.

I thought one needed to Quid on a bundle of leafs and let the juices steep in ones mouth or to Heat with high heat and inhailed.

Technically salvinorin A is a neo-clarodane diterpene, and not an alkaloid at all.

Anyway I used to quid salvia quite often 15-20 years ago. I had pretty big plants and tried out chewing quids, eating leaves without really quidding..teas and quidding then spitting it out.

I found quidding them swallowing to be the most effective outside of smoking. Simply chewing the leaves and then quickly swallowing also was effective but maybe less so than quidding and then spitting out. Either way it seems swallowing the leaves does have some effect but if you can hold a quid for a long time you for sure go farther.

I also experimented a lot for a while quidding on ayahuasca. Druid dream on the aya forums had written a bunch about it and people were using it in low doses to widen the visions of a brew in place of Brugmansia.

Alas I got depressed one winter and left my plants out just a few days too long and frost got them. I grew it for about 10 years and just before my plants died the government banned it lol.