Syrian rue+cannabis is the key to enlightment

[harmala_afficianado]

LSD in general is more similar to mescaline for myself, than it is to psilocybin..and mescaline is better LSD alternative than LSA. I guess this is one less people have access to so it’s just not a reference point for many…but I would say that for those seeking LSA seeds and don’t want acid…maybe seek out mescaline. Psilocybin is just like an extended DMT trip but with some added weirdness. Harmalas just add the harmala vibe to whatever each of these already do in my experience.

If you find LSD, just try LSD first. Don’t take it with harmalas. You won’t need them if you have real LSD. Just get to know LSD on its own. It can be and be so many things .

What makes you think i wont need rue if i get real lsd? For me personally rue enhances the good and dampens the bad in any thing i consume or do, mushrooms and cannabis without rue for me now isnt an option at all, do the harmalas take away something from the lsd?

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Also @Jamie01, here is a list of what made me able to get the most out of the rue+cannabis combination.

- omega 3s, DHA specifically, the days where i get little to no dha the cannabis high is foggy and blunted and boring, DHA builds and strengthens cb1 receptors and it makes a very noticable impact on the high especially when taken for a few days in a row, at least 600-700 mg DHA is needed, perhaps abit more.

- lions mane, this one is probably one of if not the most important factor, it changes the cannabis high significantly in alot of ways, completely kills the brain fog and laziness and makes it more psychedelic and "active"

- Exercise, working out also strengthens the cb1 system, days i work out less or dont work out at all makes a massive difference on the high at night.

Imo these are the most important 3 when using cannabis, i seem to build a reverse tolerance to cannabis if these 3 are continusely present.

And again like i said before, less than 6g of rue seeds doesnt seem to work as well, the magic in this combo is mostly in the rue, if your not used to rue or havent used it in a while 6g might make you abit drowsy, but for it to work properly you have to reach the state where 6g becomes a stimulant, taking it for a while heavy doses will start acting like a powerful stimulant instead of a hypnotic.

Edit: omega 3s also work best taken 24 hours before smoking, i usually smoke and then take the omega 3s right before bed, taking them only few hours before wont work as well.

 

[Jamie01]

I’m not going to suggest anyone go take LSD with harmalas, or anything else if they haven’t even tried LSD before. You have no idea what you are getting into with a new substance and stacking rue on top of that is not smart. You should try to understand how LSD alone effects you before you start combining it with other stuff.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I’m not going to suggest anyone go take LSD with harmalas, or anything else if they haven’t even tried LSD before. You have no idea what you are getting into with a new substance and stacking rue on top of that is not smart. You should try to understand how LSD alone effects you before you start combining it with other stuff.

Yes i understand, but it sounded like you meant that i wont need rue at all if i have real lsd

 

[universecannon]

if your not used to rue or havent used it in a while 6g might make you abit drowsy

Bit of an understatement hahah. 6g is way too much for most people and would result in more than just bit of drowsiness. Less than half of that flattens me for hours regardless of how often I'm taking it, or whether it's combined with cannabis. I don't think your response to rue is the norm so I'd be hesitant to expect others to have the same reaction.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Bit of an understatement hahah. 6g is way too much for most people and would result in more than just bit of drowsiness. Less than half of that flattens me for hours regardless of how often I'm taking it, or whether it's combined with cannabis. I don't think your response to rue is the norm so I'd be hesitant to expect others to have the same reaction.

Yeah, my bad i really forgot, its been almost a year now, i remember the first time taking 5g i was floored, i meant it more for those who are at least abit tolerant to rue.

 

[Jamie01]

I have been using harmalas daily for weeks currently afficianado and I couldn’t take 6 grams of rue without feeling sick and hallucinating. I think it must just differ person to person because my wife is constantly eating piles of harmine/harmaline to meditate and sleep. She feels pretty chill on what would be a full on experience to me. Some people like to eat 20 grams of cubensis. I like to eat .5-1 gram lol go figure. Some want 3 feet of cacti. I want a couple inches.

There is no one recipe for every body.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I have been using harmalas daily for weeks currently afficianado and I couldn’t take 6 grams of rue without feeling sick and hallucinating. I think it must just differ person to person because my wife is constantly eating piles of harmine/harmaline to meditate and sleep. She feels pretty chill on what would be a full on experience to me. Some people like to eat 20 grams of cubensis. I like to eat .5-1 gram lol go figure. Some want 3 feet of cacti. I want a couple inches.

There is no one recipe for every body.

Sure, your biology plays a big factor, but i dont think its completely impossible for some people to be able to tolerate heavy doses, it was in no way easy for me, it took alot more than months, i remember when i was taking 4.5g the first 1-2 months, then one day decided to only up the dose from 4.5g to 5g, and i was floored tripping balls for hours, i just kept going and going and soon enough your body will be forced to tolerate it, imo.

And btw, taking 6g now still makes me hallucinate, alot of the time vividly too, the stimulation doesnt really start before 2 hours, the come up is usually slightly rough and most of the time i would lay down on my back and meditate, after 2 hours when the come up is over there is a powerful flow of energy that lasts the whole day. It feels like the first 2 hours rue is doing the work for you to clean you up and after that the sedation transitions to strong stimulation.

 

[universecannon]

Sure, your biology plays a big factor, but i dont think its completely impossible for some people to be able to tolerate heavy doses, it was in no way easy for me, it took alot more than months, i remember when i was taking 4.5g the first 1-2 months, then one day decided to only up the dose from 4.5g to 5g, and i was floored tripping balls for hours, i just kept going and going and soon enough your body will be forced to tolerate it, imo.

And btw, taking 6g now still makes me hallucinate, alot of the time vividly too, the stimulation doesnt really start before 2 hours, the come up is usually slightly rough and most of the time i would lay down on my back and meditate, after 2 hours when the come up is over there is a powerful flow of energy that lasts the whole day. It feels like the first 2 hours rue is doing the work for you to clean you up and after that the sedation transitions to strong stimulation.

I don't think anyone means that it's impossible for some people to be able to tolerate heavy doses. I think what you're missing is that even that 4.5g starting point is much stronger for most people than it was for you. In the early nexus days many people took solid doses several times a week or daily for years and years. I was combining it with other things that might complicate this like melatonin but I noticed an increase in sensitivity not a decrease. There's going to be a lot of variation person to person

I don’t doubt that consistent high doses can be interesting, they can. I just feel like there is easier ways to get deeper.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I think what you're missing is that even that 4.5g starting point is much stronger for most people than it was for you.

I think the main reason i started with a considerably heavy amount and handled it well was because i deeply loved the effects, most of the time i was just laying down daydreaming those first 2 months, the effects just felt really good and deeply comforting and i was watching how it was healing me day by day, there was no other option for me but to keep taking it.

I was combining it with other things that might complicate this like melatonin but I noticed an increase in sensitivity not a decrease.

I have noticed increased sensitivity to the side effects the first month, but then the side effects vanished and i was more sensitive to the headspace because the side effects were not clouding it anymore, i could navigate the headspace easier.

I don’t doubt that consistent high doses can be interesting, they can.

Way more than just interesting.

I just feel like there is easier ways to get deeper.

There is, but not as rewarding imo.

 

[Ra-Horakhty]

6g of Syrian Rue

I wish I could tolerate such an amount. I can barely do 3g without severe side effects like vasoconstriction, headaches, barely able to move for at least 8 hours and feeling like I'm going to die.

You must have a good tolerance to noradrenergic and serotonergic compounds which may explain why Omega 3 make things better for you as it also enhances serotonergic and noradrenergic signaling.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I wish I could tolerate such an amount. I can barely do 3g without severe side effects like vasoconstriction, headaches, barely able to move for at least 8 hours and feeling like I'm going to die.

I think being in good health in general helps with the side effects of rue, i eat a clean diet with no processed stuff, and i eat ginger and turmeric every day, and nigella seeds, nigella is a powerful one, i eat it with the rue and it enhances the positive effects, i also workout 6-7 days a week, which also enhances the positives and reduces the negatives.

I think that was the reason i was able to eat 30g of seeds years ago, at that time i was dry fasting regularly and i was eating nothing but fully natural foods and was also working out almost daily.

You must have a good tolerance to noradrenergic and serotonergic compounds which may explain why Omega 3 make things better for you as it also enhances serotonergic and noradrenergic signaling.

Omega 3s mostly make things better when cannabis is involved, it seems to help undo any damage from smoking.

And yeah i do have a tolerance, but that wasnt really the case before.

 

[Jamie01]

There are other factors here at play I assume…like MAO-A phenotypes etc for starters.

 

[Jamie01]

To be honest I am really surprised that differences in individual MAO-A phenotypes are not a huge topic of discussion when it comes to dosing psychedelics and better predicting outcomes.

I would bet I have lower MAO-A activity and therefore can use lower doses of stuff, get away with less harmalas etc..where some people will naturally need more psilocybin or more harmine to activate DMT. It’s pretty darn complex when you start to get to the root of individual sensitivities in general.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

To be honest I am really surprised that differences in individual MAO-A phenotypes are not a huge topic of discussion when it comes to dosing psychedelics and better predicting outcomes.

I would bet I have lower MAO-A activity and therefore can use lower doses of stuff, get away with less harmalas etc..where some people will naturally need more psilocybin or more harmine to activate DMT. It’s pretty darn complex when you start to get to the root of individual sensitivities in general.

But i dont think the side effects associated with a heavy dose of rue is mao related, sure it might contribute but i think there other more important actions, irreversible moais dont seem to cause the same "toxicity"

 

[Jamie01]

MAO-A genotypes are most likely relevant to the entire experience as a whole, including side effects.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

MAO-A genotypes are most likely relevant to the entire experience as a whole, including side effects.

Ofc, if you take a drug that causes physical side effects adding any maoi on top will most likely increase those side effects, but i think there are bigger factors not related to maoi