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Coleus blumei?
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Coleus blumei is now an outdated name. Solenostemon scutellaroides var. Electric Lime tests positive for Salvinorin A both chemically and experientially.
TheGreenPhantom
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I read about this over 20 years ago and made a cold tea extract from leaves picked from my mother's garden. It produced no effects. Quidding would probably have been the way to go, now that I know it has salvinorin A...
JungleGhost
Nocturnal Scavenger
That would be extremely unlikely to work for a plant containing salvinorin A - easiest might be to chew the leaves, or dry them and smoke them. I've experienced unmistakable but short-lived effects from smoking the dried leaves - specifically ones which would fit the description "Electric Lime".
TheGreenPhantom
Titanium Teammate
Well, now you have me wanting to give it another try... there's a huge stand of it in my neighborhood where the dogs all pee
. Guess I'll take a cutting.
Traditional use is kinda muddy—lots of clarification has been published over the years. Coleus scutellarioides (current name) seems less likely to have been used by the Mazatec. Regardless, I'll be doing extensive tests this summer with oral ROA; may even combine with Salvia divinorum.
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I clearly had some experience smoking dried leaves ; but only from old plant (massive plants from guatemala, several years old), and smoking a king size paper fully packed ; the effect would show in the mid-state before dreaming, a nice portal opening for half dreaming half lucid state; at times i had some spectacular effects, but very hard to replicate or differentiate from a (very nice quality!) placebo.
I have access to at least a pickup trucks worth of leaf each fall when I remove annuals. Honestly kicking myself I didn’t take some home and extract. I have plants but I’d rather just use stuff I have to remove at work in bulk. Project for the fall I guess.
I've powdered enough to pack seven or eight capsules, but it only made me slightly tired. Could have been placebo.
Someone on Reddit recently posted about making 80x and smoking it with zero effect. Unlikely, but perhaps the actives (if there are any) are destroyed by heat.
I'll be doing some serious testing this year.
Someone on Reddit recently posted about making 80x and smoking it with zero effect. Unlikely, but perhaps the actives (if there are any) are destroyed by heat.
I'll be doing some serious testing this year.
TheGreenPhantom
Titanium Teammate
We also have a number of varietals to sift through... I imagine some will be active and some not. I also wonder if plant maturity might have something to do with it – like if you picked leaves from a plant with a thick, woody stem, would these pack more of a punch?
Could be. I'm more interested in giving Coleus spp. maybe 2% of my attention this summer since I'll also be testing plants with more potential (Lagochilus inebrians is highest on my list at the moment).
TheGreenPhantom
Titanium Teammate
Yeah, there's a huge stand of coleus about waist-high in my 'hood that I've been meaning to harvest. It's just on a very busy street, and I will be noticed if I take a cutting or two.
JungleGhost
Nocturnal Scavenger
Practicing growing n cuttin coleus so i can 1 day have n care 4 a sally cut. My nightstand needs1.
Nothing wrong with taking cuttings quickly. If someone asks, just say you’re interested in growing a stand of your own.
Go for the yellow-variegated green varieties. "Electric lime" should be enough of a hint. I've never noted anything much from the varieties that were predominantly red in colour.
I’ll look. I have been avoiding patented varieties because patenting organisms is evil—substantially different set of morals than profiting off of resources.
Working with living entities is a choice, and therefore should require basic compromises up front (i.e. respecting life is more important than profiting off of it). Just my opinion.
Hopefully not for nothing that these leaves are extremely appealing—I even appreciate the herbal aroma.
I will smoke only a pinch of dried flakes in a clean pipe simply because I’ve previously never bothered to do so. Perhaps later in the week I’ll try several grams with my new oral ingestion technique.
I will smoke only a pinch of dried flakes in a clean pipe simply because I’ve previously never bothered to do so. Perhaps later in the week I’ll try several grams with my new oral ingestion technique.
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Ended up smoking a full bowl in three hits, each held for ~30 seconds. Maybe placebo, but felt like my blood pressure shifted more than with breathwork alone—meditation after was engaging and pleasant. Definitely not psychoactive at this dose. Unsurprising, as I’ve read of folks smoking 100x+ and feeling nothing. Maybe it contains labdane diterpenoids like forskolin (found in Coleus barbatus)?
What I’m more curious about is the potential impact on dreams. I’ve used capsules of dried coleus as a dream herb before—mostly made me sleepy—but smoking may have been responsible for the increased number of memorable dreams that I had last night (there were quite a few).
If it is active, an oral ROA taken before bed should make it challenging to sleep. Perhaps I will try this tonight. A lot of compounds have uncharacterized bioavailability and/or metabolism, so modifying Salvine Tek is a good starting point. In the event that oral tests produce objectively potent results, I’ll write up a “Coleonine Tek” ASAP.
What I’m more curious about is the potential impact on dreams. I’ve used capsules of dried coleus as a dream herb before—mostly made me sleepy—but smoking may have been responsible for the increased number of memorable dreams that I had last night (there were quite a few).
If it is active, an oral ROA taken before bed should make it challenging to sleep. Perhaps I will try this tonight. A lot of compounds have uncharacterized bioavailability and/or metabolism, so modifying Salvine Tek is a good starting point. In the event that oral tests produce objectively potent results, I’ll write up a “Coleonine Tek” ASAP.
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I still say you want to try something that looks more like this:
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