Collective Consciousness or Inherited Biological Programming?

[Korey]

I'm quite sure this has been pondered before, but I could not find a thread that correlated directly to both of these ideas, so here I is

I've had countless experiences both without drugs and especially with psychedelic drugs which inspired me to quite seriously consider the possibility that consciousness was not only a cosmic force, but that there was a collective consciousness that was shared by everything and everyone. From bizarre experiences like deja vu, to seemingly meaningful synchronicities observed in daily life, to awe inspiring expansiveness consciousness inspired by the metabolization of psychedelic drugs, I and no doubt others felt like they became aware of some sort of unification and order that we were not only a part of but exists universally and both externally and internally.

After contemplating my last journey with this compound for around three weeks, this bizarre, yet to me, sensible theory regarding the fundamental framework of the DMT experience started unfolding quite nicely in my psyche as I enjoyed some MDMA.

Most animals have biological memories imprinted in their genetics to ensure survival of the species. Biological memories that are quite easily observed in animals are natural instincts. Memories in that every organism of the species is born with which offers it solutions for basic survival and survival of any offspring which may come. Fundamentally, these animals are operating off thousands of years of collective information which has been passed down by their ancestors. Logically, this information is entirely subconscious, and animals act accordingly when their instincts hint at influencing their behavioral patterns. Bears most likely aren't aware of why they hibernate, they just simply do it because it's programmed into them. These basic biological necessities inhabit the subconscious.

So if we borrow this idea and apply it to the human animal, it could be assumed that we too have these fundamental, programmed instincts. Also taking into consideration, the human brain houses up to one hundred billion neurons resulting in possibly over one hundred trillion connections. Truly Amazing. Assuming that evolution has been consistent with the human animal for up to half a million years, we can assume the biological information embedded in our genetics is quite profoundly expansive and seemingly infinite once one takes into account how many humans existed formerly in their extended families and ancestry. All of this information would logically belong to the subconscious.

Psychedelics definitely dissolve filters which can allow one to access extreme states of introspection which can ultimately lead to the unity of the conscious and subconscious. In my experience DMT offers this unity more intensely, profoundly, effortlessly and obviously than any other psychedelic I've ingested.

So perhaps there is collective biological and embedded subconscious programming but it is not an external working at all. Perhaps it's programmed into all of us, and perhaps we can access it by bridging the gap between the conscious and subconscious. Hyperspace may be the unity of the conscious and profoundly amplified subconscious, which can offer us a peek into our ancestors experiences, highs, lows, philosophy, spirituality, hopes and dreams, their projections of extreme states of wonder and abstract thought of which can contemplate and recognize the infinite possibilities. This COULD explain people experiencing "past lives" or even encounters with entities. This complete unity of ones subconscious and conscious mind may be confused with cosmic unity and cosmic consciousness, and how could it not be? The potentially immeasurable information passed onto us may contain, collectively, our ancestry's understandings and prejudices about the cosmos.

Probably not, though. : p

 

[spinCycle]

Collective Consciousness or Inherited Biological Programming?

I think it is entirely likely that these are one and the same thing, and that we exist in a multidimensional universe which we are able to directly perceive only a fraction of. Just because we see DNA as a physical mechanism does not mean that that is all that it is. The same goes for all perceptions of physical reality.

I also believe I could be wrong. :lol:

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

My own thought is that in terms of dimensional manifestations the origin is a singularity and as that all is of this origin there is as much a one-ness to all as there is separateness to each.

Ergo my opinion that aspects of consciousness are linked for all things in their own way, regardless of how we perceive them to be distinct.

I also think that the separateness is real too and that there is a physical neurochemical effect taking place that deals directly with the perception of self and the division of self from other things. Evolution plays a role in this, I believe, and i will point out that if you are a mouse feeling as if you are one with all things will get you eaten.

 

[hixidom]

Deja Vu: Are phenomena such as this "evolved" (meaning they increase fitness), or are they just glitches in the highly complex and find-tuned system that is our brain. Not every mental phenomenon we experience has an evolutionary purpose. Some of them are just mistakes, figuratively speaking.

Evolution is one of the few things that I believe must exist regardless of the nature of reality because it is the simple statement that objects that last longer will be predominant in the universe, which makes perfect sense. What you are essentially claiming is that objective reality is not as we perceive and interpret it. How would this increase survivability? How would a non-material being benefit from traits that cause it to be predisposed to a materialistic outlook?

I think this is an important question because the inverse - How a material being would benefit from traits that cause it to be predisposed to non-materialistic outlook - is already somewhat understood. For example...

Believing in magic, being superstitious, counterintuitively, has actually helped us evolve as a species, says Michael Shermer, publisher of Skeptic magazine.

He explains it this way: Millions of years ago, if you heard a rustle in the grass, do you think it's a predator or the wind?

"If you think the rustle in the grass is a dangerous predator, and it turns out it was just the wind, that's a superstition. But there's no harm in that, you just become more vigilant." says Shermer. "But if you think the rustle in the grass is just the wind, and it turns out it's a dangerous predator, you're lunch. You fail to see a connection that was real. And that's very costly."

I'm not saying I don't agree with you. In fact, if we consider the universe to be one big evolving mind, then we might ask what "thought" pertains to with respect to this mind. We might then ask how the structure of this mind could change in order to increase its own survivability. This, of course, is a false analogy to evolution, as evolution requires the existence and survival of many different things (universes, in our case). On the other hand, we might say that all possible universes exist simultaneously and are somehow competing for survival.

 

[DeDao]

Collective Consciousness or Inherited Biological Programming?

I think it is entirely likely that these are one and the same thing, and that we exist in a multidimensional universe which we are able to directly perceive only a fraction of. Just because we see DNA as a physical mechanism does not mean that that is all that it is. The same goes for all perceptions of physical reality.

I also believe I could be wrong. :lol:

 

[DeMenTed]

Korey wrote : "Assuming that evolution has been consistent with the human animal for up to half a million years"

I assume if you believe in evolution that the human has been evolving since the first lifeform appeared on earth? We are connected to every other living thing on this planet. Half a million years of human evolution is maybe not quite the right way to look at it but you could say that in the last half a million years the human has evolved into what we call human.

 

[Archtypamine]

Collective UN consciousness.

 

[Global]

I can see this thread is a bit old (I do remember reading it the first time :lol: ) but I would like to repost here something that I had just recently said in the Indian geometry thread.

these archaic archetypes are in our consciousness DMT just allows us to tap into them if you've never read anything by carl jung please do I think you'll enjoy them....

It's one thing to read or hear the words that can so eloquently describe the "tapping into the archetypes" but I feel there is a disconnect between describing or speculating on the concept, but I am unsatisfied for how it accounts for how a crystal clear, multidimensional deity, rendered from more basic DMT geometry, and assembled to reflect the traditional depictions of these deities down to the color and detail, how that manages to be imprinted or encoded into what is a very mathematical-seeming environment. The entire place almost looks like a computer program sometimes, and it seems to me as if they almost would have had to have been "programmed" into the system by someone or something. That's just how I feel on the matter based on how the experience has been presented to me.

I like the notion of biological programming as well, but there's still that missing link of how it gets programmed (i.e. why and how would there be Pharaohs programmed into my head - no clear Darwinian explanation that's for sure!)

 

[Kenota]

I think that there is a kind of collective consciousness. I think, too, that it is the wellspring of the Jungian and similar archetypes. I don't think however it is manifest in each person. I consider human beings to be nodes in a network, like neurons in a brain. It is this brain which has a kind of Overmind, a zeitgeist, which stores these archetypes at a level above the single human mind.

Sorry to bump a slightly old thread, but I've been thinking about this for a while and returning to the Nexus to see this thread up seemed like a bit of interesting synchronicity.

 

[Infectedstyle]

I like the notion of biological programming as well, but there's still that missing link of how it gets programmed (i.e. why and how would there be Pharaohs programmed into my head - no clear Darwinian explanation that's for sure!)

I think that there is a kind of collective consciousness. I think, too, that it is the wellspring of the Jungian and similar archetypes. I don't think however it is manifest in each person. I consider human beings to be nodes in a network, like neurons in a brain. It is this brain which has a kind of Overmind, a zeitgeist, which stores these archetypes at a level above the single human mind.

Going from Kenota's input. Global his DNA is quite possibly more aligned with an egyptian heritage. Thus producing more egyptian archetypes. But i don't believe it is the neurons in the brain that stores the overmind. That seems too simple. Neurons are just cells, like any other cell. I don't see how these have an up in terms of being generated by a collective consciousness.

I hope the following explains in some detail what i think is possible,

This complete unity of ones subconscious and conscious mind may be confused with cosmic unity and cosmic consciousness, and how could it not be? The potentially immeasurable information passed onto us may contain, collectively, our ancestry's understandings and prejudices about the cosmos.

I don't think there is any confusion. If the singularity of the big bang is measurable from radiation it might be assumed that our consciousness is able to observe the information stored in this radiation and translated from radiation information unto visual interpretation. From soundwaves to visual waves. The microwave radiation, or white noise is then the cosmic singularity that people experience. It is not so much of a leap that other celestial objects (like the earth itself, or the moon) have a likewise radiation mechanism. It is my intuition that some of the egyptians knew about this connection and got their astronomy knowledge by means of this direct experience with the celestial consciousness.

 

[Kenota]

But i don't believe it is the neurons in the brain that stores the overmind

Not what I was suggesting. My suggestion is that humans constitute single nodes in the network from which the Overmind emerges. The analogous case, then, to neurons in the brain. The neuron isn't conscious, though it does seem to be affected by consciousness. The human does not contain the Overmind, but it affected by it.

 

[Infectedstyle]

Sry, i was sleeping when i wrote that. I did know exactly what you meant with nodes in the network. I don't know how i got mixed up here. There is ofcourse the case of an ant colony. Where each ant actually acts like neurons in a measurable way it acts much the same way the brain does.

I just stumbled upon this thread. It mentions different light and radio frequencies communicate with dna and are able to affect changes. It kind of reflects what i was saying and perhaps we are channeling the big bang radiation and this is actually the source of our consciousness. It is an interesting article and it mentions an example of clear-cut collective consciousness in ant colonies.

Apologies for scrambling with your words. I was sleeping and i misinterpreted your sentence.