evolutionofone
Rising Star
Hello I'm new here, most of this is posted in my introduction essay. I'd really like to hear from others who may have gone through something similar as swim or have any helpful info. I'm also happy to share any info I can offer. Anyway, SWIM is an artist & he's struggled with an opiate addiction for the last few years of his life. In the darkest time of swim's life, to the point of almost giving up hope, through entheogens he was able to wake his soul up & find a new found hope for his life. He stopped the drug use(painkillers etc)but was put on suboxone by a doctor. SWIM took an Iboga flood dose last year he said it was a great experience & changed his life but due to being on suboxone over 6 months & its long half life, a few weeks post Iboga he relapsed due to Post Acute Withdrawl Symptoms(PAWS) of the suboxone.
Basically SWIM couldn't function normally & had severe depression, lethargy, insominia etc & of course using opiates instantly relieves this. SWIM wasn't aware at the time he did his flood that it takes 21 days or so for suboxone to actually clear the blood & leave the system, or of the horrible PAWS that follows. SWIM now knows after plenty of research that to realistically stop suboxone one needs to taper down to a low dose of suboxone before stopping & switch to a shorter acting opiate for at least 2 or 3 weeks prior to the Iboga flood. So SWIM has now tapered down to a low dose, less than .5mg suboxone(& is still tapering lower)& will be stopping the suboxone this month. His original plan is to switch to tramadol(or another shorter acting opiate)for a few weeks before doing his Iboga flood. Another member here had concerns about using tramadol before Iboga:
corpus callosum wrote:"I dont know if switching from a low dose of suboxone to tramadol would be the way to go.I agree, switching to a shorter-acting mu agonist for a few weeks before taking the iboga would be wise, but tramadol is quite a weak mu agonist (one of its metabolites is more potent in this respect) plus has effects on serotonin and noradrenaline receptors which have their own distinct (and by all accounts, unpleasant) withdrawal effects.I think making this switch would cause more immediate 'lack of satisfaction' then say switching to compounds such as morphine, oxycodone or heroin.I personally would choose one of these three, depending on availability.
I also think that its not established clearly how iboga alkaloids would affect someone who had their mu, serotonin and noradrenaline receptors 'fatigued' by tramadol.I would strongly advise that this be borne in mind."
So swim is now thinking about changing his plan, though he would really rather not go back to taking strong opiates even short term after being clean for almost a year. Swim knows there will some amount of discomfort in this process, & is ok with that. His goal is to basically minimize the PAWS as much as possible. Swim also plans on taking Iboga boosters/low dose Iboga after the initial flood as needed.
Basically SWIM couldn't function normally & had severe depression, lethargy, insominia etc & of course using opiates instantly relieves this. SWIM wasn't aware at the time he did his flood that it takes 21 days or so for suboxone to actually clear the blood & leave the system, or of the horrible PAWS that follows. SWIM now knows after plenty of research that to realistically stop suboxone one needs to taper down to a low dose of suboxone before stopping & switch to a shorter acting opiate for at least 2 or 3 weeks prior to the Iboga flood. So SWIM has now tapered down to a low dose, less than .5mg suboxone(& is still tapering lower)& will be stopping the suboxone this month. His original plan is to switch to tramadol(or another shorter acting opiate)for a few weeks before doing his Iboga flood. Another member here had concerns about using tramadol before Iboga:
corpus callosum wrote:"I dont know if switching from a low dose of suboxone to tramadol would be the way to go.I agree, switching to a shorter-acting mu agonist for a few weeks before taking the iboga would be wise, but tramadol is quite a weak mu agonist (one of its metabolites is more potent in this respect) plus has effects on serotonin and noradrenaline receptors which have their own distinct (and by all accounts, unpleasant) withdrawal effects.I think making this switch would cause more immediate 'lack of satisfaction' then say switching to compounds such as morphine, oxycodone or heroin.I personally would choose one of these three, depending on availability.
I also think that its not established clearly how iboga alkaloids would affect someone who had their mu, serotonin and noradrenaline receptors 'fatigued' by tramadol.I would strongly advise that this be borne in mind."
So swim is now thinking about changing his plan, though he would really rather not go back to taking strong opiates even short term after being clean for almost a year. Swim knows there will some amount of discomfort in this process, & is ok with that. His goal is to basically minimize the PAWS as much as possible. Swim also plans on taking Iboga boosters/low dose Iboga after the initial flood as needed.
Its ironic how the worst drugs like heroin are the easiest for swim to obtain, & drugs that could actually be helpful in situations like this are really hard to come by....
