Considering doing Aya..Can someone explain ?

[Al-Wasi]

I hear people saying try b caaapi or Syrian rue by their self before you try it combined with admixtures.

I was unaware either of those where psychoactive alone. Can someone explain what type of high they provide. Are they both the same or different?

And what is it that causes the purge ? I've been told ayahuasca is only b caapi and psychrotia viridis and the combo of other things isn't aya...

If someone can explain that would be great. Aya sounds great but I'm. It sure I'm.ready for purging. I'd rather avoid it if possible but I'd like as close to an authentic trip as possible and it seems combining extracts of harmalas and DMT would be a different trip.

 

[universecannon]

Please read this thread re the purge

The feared and misunderstood purge. - Ayahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

The harmalas alone can cause purging and nausea/dizziness, but this all occurs far below toxic levels ( if you think about it, almost all psychedelics can get extremely uncomfortable at doses far below toxic levels.) The purge is very cleansing IME. Resisting just prolongs any discomfort. Other things in caapi/rue, such as tannins, can contribute to it. But even pure harmalas will do it at sufficient doses

You get used to it and it becomes less of an issue generally ime

And yeah both caapi and rue are very psychedelic at high doses, especially if you allow yourself to enter the trances in silent darkness. In some ways going deep with them is a learned thing. If you want more in depth descriptions try a search, as it's been discussed many times.

I don't noice all that much difference between caapi and rue, I love both. At higher doses some differences become more apparent though for me.

 

[DMiTria]

There are many threads out there just do a search.

As for the B. Caapi "Ayahuasca Vine" and Psychrotia Viridis "Chacruna" is a traditional brew, which the Amazonian Shamans use for the basic mixture, as for the others there is a variety of tribes that have different plants which contain the Inhibitor and The Alkaloid but the most common is the Vine/Chacruna mix. Not to say there are not other Plant Teachers present in the brew, different plants have different spirits to help you with different aspects of yourself. If your making your own brew then do some research on which Plant Teachers do what, before you add them. Personally, I have mine sent from a shaman in the jungle up to the states. So I have faith that he will use what he feels is necessary for myself.

 

[Jox]

Yes, I agree to do some research, since you mentioned too many topics, but this will be my take that I haven't see been addressed:

- chacruna has very low DMT count, or even none. The brew is heavy and produces even more nausea.

I would get chaliponga if you can, and this would be functional traditional brew, since that is what you want to do.

Of course Mimosa has tons of dmt, not traditionally used, but if you decide to use it, start very low, maybe 1g of inner bark.