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Hey there.
The description of your steps suggests you didn't do something wrong, your dose is also certainly not small.
(consider extending the reaction time from 20 to 25-30 minutes, however 20 minutes should also work)
I can think of two different possibilities, one is i am not sure about how well a ball consisting of zeolite microparticles stuck together by THC would dissolve in the stomach, perhaps it does not partially/fully dissolve leaving THC molecules mechanically trapped in the zeolite "plaster" piece , this is just an anecdotal speculation, however, you could test this by dissolving the zeolite/THC plaster in a small amount of ethanol and consuming this instead.
There is also another possibility - eating only small amount of cannabinoids sometimes does not activate your digestion. It's best to eat something small after ingestion of cannabinoids.
Adding on to this general theme a little more, just about every oral cannabis recipe involves dissolving or dispersing the active material in a fatty or oily foodstuff, so it would seem worth trying this with the zeolite-converted material - especially if you'd rather not consume a tincture/alcoholic solution. Tincture of cannabis can, of course, be highly effective!
 
I've always eaten it with a bit of cheese or melted it into chocolate.

For me, approx 4g of paste, melted into 200g of chocolate and poured into a mould that gives 30 pieces gives a strong effect on one piece (after an hour or so).

So that would have about 133 mg of paste in each piece, of which half is zeolite, leaving 60mg of unknown composition converted CBD in each one. I see "strong" gummies typically have 10-20mg THC in them, so I guess my conversion isn't at the 50% mark yet. Some batches have definitely been stronger than others. This is without using any oxygen exclusion techniques, just a foil packet in the oven.

Anyway, I guess I'm saying that in my experience I'd definitely find 0.5g of my product somewhat overwhelming, so maybe adding a bit of fat really makes a difference in effectiveness.
 
Thank you for your reply.
Also it crossed my mind that the ball may digest slowly and release the power partially, I will try the option with dissolving in chocolate/oil.
Next time I will also increase the time to these 25 minutes and see what the effects will be.

I consumed edible products before and the effects were very good, so I'm lucky I'm not one of those 2%.

I will take into account what you wrote and tell you what happened, thanks!
 
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Hello to all psychonauts 👁️! This thread is really interesting, thanks to those who started it and participated.
I would like to recap the home method without too much equipment or toxic chemicals, tell me if I understood correctly and I would need some clarifications along the way, thank you in advance and regardless!
Ah sorry for my bad English I hope you understand!😅

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**PREMISE and some questions:

**1. Hypothetical comparison between 2 Zeolites:

**Chemical Composition and Effect on pH:
- Zeolite Y: Synthetic and can be modified to have a higher ion exchange capacity, which facilitates alkalinization with sodium bicarbonate. Not edible.

- Clinoptilolite: Natural, contains minerals like calcium, magnesium, and potassium, which can affect the ability to reach a pH of 9 with sodium bicarbonate. Edible.

**Porosity:
- Zeolite Y: Higher porosity, facilitates catalytic conversion due to large pores.
- Clinoptilolite: Lower porosity, but still usable for catalysis.

**Particle Size:
Does finer powder increase efficiency? There are various sizes for both Zeolite Y and Clinoptilolite, but if my research is correct, Zeolite Y should be smaller but harder to filter.
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*2. I remembered I have some clinoptilolite zeolite that was "double activated." I asked and researched, and this hypothetical comparison (surely to be reviewed) emerged between Activated Clinoptilolite and Double Activated Clinoptilolite regarding Catalytic Efficiency:

- Activated Clinoptilolite:Improves efficiency compared to non-activated zeolite but may not reach the optimization level of double activated zeolite.
- Double Activated Clinoptilolite: Offers further improvement in catalytic efficiency due to higher purity and surface area.

**3. The use of vacuum or inert atmosphere in combination with microwave irradiation is appealing, even though a precise microwave is needed.**

Could it effectively promote the isomerization reaction advantageously? How to optimize irradiation conditions to avoid overheating and degradation?

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**⚗️🌯 Method for CBD to Δ9-THC Conversion Using Clinoptilolite Zeolite:

**A. Pretreatment of Clinoptilolite Zeolite with Bicarbonate (ratio zeolite: bicarbonate 1:2 or 1:3?):

1. Preparation of Sodium Bicarbonate:
- Suspend 1.5 g of clinoptilolite zeolite in 10 ml of distilled water.
- Add 3 g of sodium bicarbonate to the mixture.
- Stir for 1 hour.

2. Filtration and Washing:
- Filter the mixture to remove the bicarbonate water.
- Wash the filtered zeolite three times with 10 ml of distilled water.
- Wash once with 10 ml of ethanol.

3. Drying:
- Air dry the zeolite for about 30 minutes.
- Dry in an oven under vacuum or in aluminum foil at 50°C for about 2 hours.

4. pH Verification:
- Prepare a suspension of 100 mg of zeolite in 5 ml of distilled water.
- Measure the pH, which should be around 9. If it does not reach the desired pH, repeat the washes.

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**B. Making a Zeolite + CBD Mixture:

1. Homogeneous Zeolite:CBD mixture in a 1:1 ratio (does the ratio change if the zeolite is pretreated?)
- For example, 1 g of zeolite and 1 g of CBD.
- Preferably CBD 99% in crystals.
- Aid by friction to dissolve any CBD lumps.

2. Oxygen Removal:
**Method with aluminum (minimal efficiency):
- Take a large piece of aluminum foil, at least as large as two A4 sheets, and place the mixture in the center.
- Start folding the aluminum foil very tightly, forming a small ball to apply even more force. Ensure it is very tight to minimize contact with oxygen, as oxygen (and water) interfere with isomerization, causing the production of Δ8-THC at the expense of delta 9.

**Method with Cotton and Alcohol (medium efficiency):
- Place a cotton ball soaked in alcohol in the jar (both the jar and lid should be temperature resistant, preferably Pyrex, borosilicate, etc., capable of withstanding pressure and temperature).
- Light the cotton and immediately close the jar to consume the internal oxygen.
- (You can also use the aluminum method in combination, I think).

**Method with Argon or another inert gas (maximum efficiency):
- Spray argon inside the jar (as described above) and immediately close it to replace the oxygen.
- Since argon is heavier than oxygen, the remaining oxygen will float above the argon layer.

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**C. Isomerization:

*If you don't have a precise oven, use an oven thermometer, placing it next to where you will place the mixture.
1. Preheat the oven to 105°C in fan mode for 10 minutes.
2. Set the temperature to 150°C(fan mode), immediately insert the "vacuumed" mixture into the oven for 25-30 minutes.
* These times are indicative for up to 10g (and not beyond) of the mixture (zeolite + CBD), right? More quantity will require more time.

3. After 25-30 minutes, take it out and let it cool to room temperature, then take a peek by opening the package and trying not to break it. It should have a GRAY color similar to clay (is it possible to put it back in the oven if it doesn't have that look? If so, for how long? It has already been 30 minutes). Reclose it, then put it in the fridge and take it out when it's cold and hard. It will be easier to remove from the aluminum foil.

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**D. Decanting the Product: Alcohol 1:3.

1. Put the product in 96% alcohol.
2. Mix and let it settle to separate the zeolite from the mixture, which may take several hours.
3. Then decant the liquid. Repeat this process (2-3 times) at least 3 times or more, to minimize the waste of filters, product loss, and amount of zeolite in the final result.

**Question:Agitate the mixture for a specific time and speed before letting it settle? How many hours are typically required for it to settle at the bottom? (Indicating the g used and the ratio).
Once most of the zeolite has settled at the bottom, should the upper part of the ethanol be pipetted and filtered? Then filter the residues at the bottom if necessary with additional ethanol? Or is it better to decant the entire mixture (except the bottom) without pipetting?

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**E. Filtration of the Mixture:

1. Filtration Preparation:
- Use kitchen paper towels (uncolored) with smaller pores than regular coffee paper filters.
- Cut the paper towels into pieces of about: 2.5 cm in diameter, 3 cm in length.
- Insert 3-4 layers of rolled paper towels into a laboratory funnel (some glass funnels are narrower, so adapt).
- Moisten the paper towels inserted in the funnel with 96% alcohol to facilitate passage.

2. Filtration:
- Filter the isomerized mixture through the layers of paper towels.
- (It will take some time without an automatic vacuum pump; I wonder if an alternative would be to purchase a manual vacuum pump, adapting it by modifying the jar lid or the jar itself, but be careful as pressure could make the funnel or jar explode).

3. Repeat the filtration at least three times to ensure the removal of most of the zeolite.

4. At this point, paper fibers may remain in the mixture, so further filter the mixture with a simple coffee filter to remove any paper fibers.

**Another question:
Is this where the color should be yellow-orange (delta 9), or is it at the end of the process? Some say they will still get a yellow-orange color at the end of the process (after evaporation), some a dark brown transparent color, even if the consistency will change for both.

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**F. Evaporation:

*Premise: Δ9-THC infused in ethanol is more stable than direct exposure to air. Ethanol helps protect Δ9-THC from oxidation and degradation. But it's important to remember that even in ethanol, Δ9-THC is susceptible to degradation over time, especially if exposed to heat, light, or air. In the experiment in this thread with zeolite y, it seems to degrade quickly (but without ethanol) and continues to degrade over days (will this also happen with our final product?).
I think this step could also be crucial in the loss of Delta 9. The guide suggests evaporation on a hot plate (ALCOHOL BOOM OPEN FLAMES) up to a maximum of 80 degrees Celsius with a fan. But are we sure this won't degrade the final product in some way? Perhaps a slightly lower temperature is better? How long will it take to evaporate for 10 g of initial CBD?

- Once the alcohol has evaporated, place it in front of a fan and let it dry until there is no more alcohol smell or let it dry in the shade for 24 hours.

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**Final Product Color:
Una volta separato con etanolo ed essiccato, si dovrebbe ottenere uno sciroppo molto denso, simile alla cera, di un colore marrone scuro trasparente (forse)


Update: I forgot to mention the fact that consuming the dry isomerized mixture as soon as it comes out of the oven (without proceeding with the other steps) may have no effects precisely because of the zeolite and its absorbent and neutralizing effect on stomach acid, preventing it from being absorbed, as it appears to do in some cases with drugs and some nutrients.
 
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How do you wash it with isopropanol? Or would you wash it with ehtanol like you put 10ml per gram in a jar, then you add the product lets say 10ml then one gram. It goes to two layers? would the zeolite go on top and then you pour it out carefully or take it out with a syringe or how does the washing process work?

Also is it the same amounts / method if washed with IPA?
 
How do you wash it with isopropanol? Or would you wash it with ehtanol like you put 10ml per gram in a jar, then you add the product lets say 10ml then one gram. It goes to two layers? would the zeolite go on top and then you pour it out carefully or take it out with a syringe or how does the washing process work?

Also is it the same amounts / method if washed with IPA?
most of these questions have already been answered in the thread, make sure to read all of it.
Add your solvent of choice to a jar with the zeolite/cannabinoid converted material, mix until complete dissolution, basically until all of the zeolite clumps/pieces have separated into microparticles, then you just have to filter out the zeolite as mentioned here:

based on your questions, i would suggest you begin by reading the basics, like what an extraction is and how it works.
 
most of these questions have already been answered in the thread, make sure to read all of it.
Add your solvent of choice to a jar with the zeolite/cannabinoid converted material, mix until complete dissolution, basically until all of the zeolite clumps/pieces have separated into microparticles, then you just have to filter out the zeolite as mentioned here:

based on your questions, i would suggest you begin by reading the basics, like what an extraction is and how it works.
Can you use coffee filters for the final washing process
 
Hello Team, Great Topic

The conversion of cannabidiol (CBD) to tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) using only zeolite and heat is an intriguing process that has gained attention for its simplicity and efficiency. Zeolites are microporous, aluminosilicate minerals commonly used as catalysts in various chemical reactions due to their unique structural properties. In this context, zeolites act as catalysts to facilitate the isomerization of CBD to THC, which typically requires harsh chemicals and conditions.

To carry out this conversion, a specific type of zeolite is selected based on its pore size and acidity, which are crucial for the reaction. The CBD is then exposed to the zeolite catalyst under controlled heating conditions. The heat induces the rearrangement of the CBD molecule, converting it into THC through an isomerization reaction. This method is advantageous because it avoids using strong acids or toxic solvents, making the process safer and more environmentally friendly.

The efficiency of this conversion depends on several factors, including the type of zeolite used, the temperature, and the duration of the heating process. By optimizing these parameters, a high yield of THC can be achieved. This method represents a significant advancement in cannabinoid chemistry, offering a streamlined approach to obtaining THC from CBD.

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Im just trying to evap the IPA, is this purplish thing in the edges the THC?

Also im not sure of how much the product is in there since it got really stuck to the foil and i just submerged the foil and let the cbd/zeolite mix to the ipa.

Whats the easiest method to get that off the bowl and put in to e cig? Im quessing its going to be really sticky when dry
 

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Purple can be delta 8 THC, yes. It's probably just noticeable round the edges as it has concentrated there. Everything there is "product", which will be a mix of various cannabinoids, hopefully including a decent proportion of THC.

It should be clear too, any sign of cloudiness is left over zeolite, which isn't good to smoke.
 
should it be ready to be smoked after i evaporate the ipa? i got pg70%/30&vg.

After i evaporated the ipa there wasnt even enough to add to e vape or eat. wtf
 
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i used 2g cbd 95% and 5% terpens then 2g of zeolite. mixed them together put them in a foil tightly so no much oxygen should be left it in. i put it into oven from 130->150c for 17minutes and then put it in the freezer. After i put part with cbd/zeolite mix in a glass cup with IPA and let it be there for 1-2 hours, then i poured it trough another glass with coffee filter on top but almost nothing came out i mean the ipa with the thc came out to another glass but after i let it evaporate almost nothing was left not enough to fill a vape or eat. what did i do wrong?
 
I'm intrigued to try and pin down the somewhat variable results I'm seeing ( always good, sometimes literally stunningly good ) and have got hold of a pro test TLC kit, intending to investigate what ratios of cannabinoids I'm getting.

However the supplier of the kit was unable to send me the eluent (chloroform) as it's a controlled substance where I live.

So I'm here to ask TLC gurus, that might hang around here, whether there is an alternative eluent I could use that might be more readily available. I understand that the gauges and rulers supplied with the kit would probably be fairly useless, but I'm only after comparative results between my occasional zeolite bakings anyway.

Any ideas? I can get hold of normal household solvents such as isopropyl alcohol, ethanol, plus other lab and industrial solvents that aren't associated so much with abuse.

Thanks! Frac4
 
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