TEK Converting CBD to THC using only Zeolite and heat.

[fractals4life]

Did you read the bit about needing temperatures of 150C?

You're not going to get that in boiling water.

To add a bit more info: You cannot heat a liquid or solution above it's boiling point in an open vessel, once you reach that point then any energy goes into converting the liquid into vapour and the temperature stays at the boling point.

 

[mlnese]

And so i realized that a problem for some was the filtration of the very fine zeolite particles, i had something in mind regarding this but i never actually tried it.
today i did an experiment and the results were positive, and you will probably find it familiar too, since we simply use a non polar solvent.
it appears as if zeolite prefers to be in water instead of hexane if it has the choice (probably other NPS's too but i only tried with hexane)
so as you already imagine, the process is as follows:
once you get your zeolite/cannabinoid mixture out of the oven, simply use hexane instead of ethanol to dissolve your cannabinoids, when everything is dissolved add an equal amount of water in the mixture, the hexane and water layers will separate almost immediately and the zeolite particles will move to the bottom water layer, the upper hexane layer should appear completely transparent and free of particles, and just like in DMT extractions, use a syringe or pipete to pull the upper hexane layer that contains the cannabinoids in a clean container and use heat to evaporate the hexane. (of course if you own a separating funnel it becomes much easier for you)

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notes:
1. some oxygen bubbles will be trapped between the water/hexane layers but they will go away after a few minutes.
2. hexane is highly flammable and produces vapors really fast so be careful with it.

I tried this with only water and hexane and zeolite, and it worked really great.
but with the actual zeolite/cbd reacted mixture, I got something really weird:

I've to admit that I did shake it because it seemed at first that half of the zeolite was at the bottom of the hexane layer. Then it looks like there's now a bunch of bubbles that won't go away. I'll let it sit all night and see tomorrow

also, the reduced hexane layer on the "top" is yellow, not transparent, is it worrisome ?

 

[mlnese]

I tried this with only water and hexane and zeolite, and it worked really great.
but with the actual zeolite/cbd reacted mixture, I got something really weird:

I've to admit that I did shake it because it seemed at first that half of the zeolite was at the bottom of the hexane layer. Then it looks like there's now a bunch of bubbles that won't go away. I'll let it sit all night and see tomorrow

also, the reduced hexane layer on the "top" is yellow, not transparent, is it worrisome ?

update:
I just filtered the mess thru a simple kitchen paper towel and it seems to have fixed the absolute mess:

you can see at the top of the water layer there's still some weird bubbles, it seems they'll never pop, they don't move at all

my zeolite is 20um, how much was yours?

 

[eskacz]

Hi, I'm back after running some tests. This time the results are acting weird. Long story short:


I've made about five batches over the past few weeks. Unfortunately, the results after baking are very different from what I was getting before. The substance turns grey after baking, rather than brown like it used to.


It also seems significantly less potent. I've tried adjusting a few things, like baking temperature and time, but even when I prepared two identical batches, the final results (in terms of color and smell) were noticeably different.


Interestingly, I once achieved a very strong result when I made a sample at my friend's place, but the next batch in his oven turned out weak and odd. Once, I managed to make a really, really strong vape liquid—just two puffs and you were completely gone. Now, I can go through an entire cartridge and not feel even close to that effect. It's definitely not a tolerance issue, because I still have some of that old liquid—and it still hits like hell.


After dissolving in alcohol, the solution is now just light yellow, instead of the orange/brownish/pink color I used to get.


What do you think could be going wrong? Could zeolite lose its isomerization ability over time?


The strongest result I got produced a pink solution in ethanol, so I assume it was properly cooked—maybe indicating that Δ9-THC started converting to Δ8-THC (if I’m not mistaken, Δ9 is the first step in the isomerization process).

 

[mlnese]

Hi, I'm back after running some tests. This time the results are acting weird. Long story short:


I've made about five batches over the past few weeks. Unfortunately, the results after baking are very different from what I was getting before. The substance turns grey after baking, rather than brown like it used to.


It also seems significantly less potent. I've tried adjusting a few things, like baking temperature and time, but even when I prepared two identical batches, the final results (in terms of color and smell) were noticeably different.


Interestingly, I once achieved a very strong result when I made a sample at my friend's place, but the next batch in his oven turned out weak and odd. Once, I managed to make a really, really strong vape liquid—just two puffs and you were completely gone. Now, I can go through an entire cartridge and not feel even close to that effect. It's definitely not a tolerance issue, because I still have some of that old liquid—and it still hits like hell.


After dissolving in alcohol, the solution is now just light yellow, instead of the orange/brownish/pink color I used to get.


What do you think could be going wrong? Could zeolite lose its isomerization ability over time?


The strongest result I got produced a pink solution in ethanol, so I assume it was properly cooked—maybe indicating that Δ9-THC started converting to Δ8-THC (if I’m not mistaken, Δ9 is the first step in the isomerization process).

well you need to post your very exact way of doing it
also, humidity will affect it. zeolite absorbs humidity
changing oven will affect it, ovens aren't really precise for temperature

 

[eskacz]

well you need to post your very exact way of doing it
also, humidity will affect it. zeolite absorbs humidity
changing oven will affect it, ovens aren't really precise for temperature

I weigh out zeolite and CBD in a 1:1 ratio. In a container, I break the CBD chunks into a fine powder and mix it thoroughly with the zeolite. Then I spread the mixture as a thin layer on baking paper, wrap it several times with aluminum foil, fold the edges, press out the air, and place it in a preheated oven.


I’ve experimented with different temperatures, ranging from 105°C to 150°C. Attempts starting at 140°C to 150°C tend to yield similar results. Baking time ranges from 15 to 25 minutes.


Both the CBD and zeolite appear dry and have never been exposed to moisture. I’ve also purchased new batches of CBD, but the results remain the same across different samples.


Previously, using the same materials, I was getting noticeably stronger results.
You can also refer to some of my earlier posts for more details and results from these experiments, if that helps.

 

[thebananawizard]

The Method described uses no dangerous or illegal ingredients, and is Safer or at least as safe as a DMT extraction, this is for educational purposes only.

CBD isomerization to THC using zeolite clinoptilolite

pros: easy, no dangerous chemicals used.
cons: only around 50% of the CBD converts, so you will have a mixture of around 50% CBD & 50% THC.

ingredients:
1.CBD crystals 99%. (CBD is legal in most EU countries and the USA)
2.Zeolite clinoptilolite in powder form. (its categorized as a G.R.A.S substance by the United States Food and Drug Administration and is considered edible.)
3.ethanol (optional)

equipment:
1.Oven
2.aluminum foil
3.scale


how it works:
Zeolite is an aluminum silicon that has negatively charged anions, when CBD is heated at 105°C (221°F) to 150°C(302°F) the anions attract the CBD molecules causing them to rotate.
Usually for this to occur, dangerous acids or metal salts have to be used, But in this method we only use zeolite.

method: weight 1 gram of CBD crystals and 1 gram of zeolite clinoptilolite powder, mix them until they become a homogenous powder, now take a big piece of aluminum foil at least the size of 2 A4's,
put your powder in the center and start folding very tightly, you can make it a small ball to apply even more force, the reason we need it tight is to minimize the contact with oxygen as much as we can because oxygen (and water) interferes with the isomerization causing a lot of Δ8-THC to be produced and while Δ8-THC is found naturally in the cannabis plant and is psychoactive (although slightly less psychoactive than Δ9-THC) many people like their conversions to contain mostly Δ9-THC, after we make sure our aluminum foil is packed tightly we warm our oven for 10 minutes to 150°C (302°F), aluminum foil can safely be used in the oven up to 200°C (392°F).
once the oven starts to get close to 105°C (221°F), put your aluminum-packed powder in and set a timer to 15 minutes, once the 15 minutes pass take it out of the oven let it aside to cool, once it gets in a comfortable to touch temperature, carefully open it, you will find a black powder inside and you will think you burned it, but this is normal, the conversion should be complete.

edit: in case you decide to use the flame in Jar method to minimize oxygen in your reaction, remember that glass is very bad at conducting heat, so you will need to adjust the timeframe accordingly in order to allow the container to catch up the target temperature, in other words extent the duration of applied heat or start applying heat on the container before you start the timer, you will probably have to experiment and find what works best for you as far as heat goes, since different ovens and equipment (jars etc.) will produce variable outcomes.


!UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DO NOT SMOKE ZEOLITE! , however zeolite is edible.

how to get the THC/CBD mixture out of the zeolite(optional): here we will use ethanol, put your zeolite powder containing THC in a jar and add ethanol, if you made under 10 grams of powder add 10ml of ethanol per gram, you can lower the amount of ethanol used as you scale up in the amount of powder, the ethanol will dissolve your cannabinoids and then you have to filter the zeolite out, you can use coffee filters, filter 2-3 times, collect the filtered cannabinoid containing ethanol inside a clean jar and heat it using a hot water bath until all ethanol evaporates, even if you think all ethanol has evaporated heat it for more time or leave it open for 24 hours for safety, once the ethanol is evaporated, you will be left with a clear yellow to orange sticky compound.
Be aware that simple filtration could possibly leave zeolite particles in the distillate which would make it dangerous to vape/smoke, i suggest that you simply use your product orally if you are not sure about its purity.

key note:
1.You need pure CBD crystals for this, no crude oils, and no full spectrum extracts, impurities will lead to impurities.
2.You need zeolite clinoptilolite in powder form, no specific μm, just powder.

what does zeolite clinoptilolite do to the body according to NCBI:
"Zeolite clinoptilolite (ZC) reduces ammonia concentration and improves the integrity of the intestinal barrier. Furthermore, ZC acts on intestinal lymphoid tissues with a positive impact on the intestinal ecosystem and boosting the immune system."
source: Zeolite Clinoptilolite: Therapeutic Virtues of an Ancient Mineral

Tried to make it in jar using heat for 7minutes. It works. But.. After making final product and baking brownies with it zeolite adds very harsh flavor. What you have in mind to filter it? I have found info about Nylon filters, carbon. I have tried using Nylon syringe filters, but liquid got stuck..

 

[eskacz]

Tried to make it in jar using heat for 7minutes. It works. But.. After making final product and baking brownies with it zeolite adds very harsh flavor. What you have in mind to filter it? I have found info about Nylon filters, carbon. I have tried using Nylon syringe filters, but liquid got stuck..

Use alcohol (ethanol or isopropyl alcohol – IPA). After letting the mixture settle, decant and use a syringe to draw up the "clean" layer into another jar/container. Then, evaporate the alcohol by leaving it out or using a water bath. If you want a cleaner result—or even a completely clean one—use coffee filters or lab-grade paper filters. The final product may still have a bit of a funky taste, but it will be much milder than before.

 

[mlnese]

Tried to make it in jar using heat for 7minutes. It works. But.. After making final product and baking brownies with it zeolite adds very harsh flavor. What you have in mind to filter it? I have found info about Nylon filters, carbon. I have tried using Nylon syringe filters, but liquid got stuck..

are you sure it is the zeolite that adds the flavor? I tried to eat raw 20ug zeolite and the taste was barely noticeable

 

[eskacz]

are you sure it is the zeolite that adds the flavor? I tried to eat raw 20ug zeolite and the taste was barely noticeable

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how it works. Although zeolite is supposed to be flavorless in theory, the edibles I made from a purified batch ended up tasting noticeably better.