Could I withstand the intensity of DMT when I suspect a slight anemia in myself?

[Splits-of-Ecstasy]

Hi to all fellow psychonauts, I am about to try DMT for the first time. In a past I had psilocibin mushrooms and LSD. I took both of them in the same day. At first,I consumed mushrooms only. I waited for the effects,but it turned out the amount was not sufficient to produce visual hallucinations. I experienced only euphoria,enthusiasm and increased energy. This very fact caused me to feel irritated,because I was after hallucinations. I sought an LSD,in a strong determination to try a powerful hallucinogen. So I ingested it. Not wanting to get into details- as that is a subject for another discussion,entirely- some minutes into my trip( or perhaps half an hour- I really don't know,as I did not hold a watch over the time that passed)I began to perceive very acutely the sensation of being overwhelmed- as prior orgasmic,ecstatic feeling went beyond the threshold of the pleasant- to the extent of having a conviction if this will go on and on any longer,I faint and lose my consciousness. Seeing my struggle, a friend of mine offered me Lexaurin(standard dosage of 1,5 mg) and I ingested it. Once it started taking its effect,the trip became a pleasant one.

Factors coming into play in this particular experience being: not eating anything since the morning when I consumed shr
ooms, combination of shrooms with LSD without any prior experience with hallucinogens...and mainly,I seem to suffer from orthostatic intolerance,as many symptoms of it match,in my case. My friend,who works as a nurse,says there is a possibility of me being anemic. Tell-tale signs,he observes on me,being: pallor of lips,face and hands, shaking voice and general restlessness. He thinks that an anemia might have significantly contributed in creating the feeling like I was going to faint,instead of my assumption of orthostatic intolerance.

In the light of the efficacy Lexaurin had on me,my original intention was to take Lexaurin before taking DMT in order to prevent that unpleasant occurence from happening again. However,I do get second thoughts pertaining to this matter and chiefly that inhaled DMT I plan to take is short-acting; and the average experience tend to be 15 minutes long,approximately. So perhaps ingesting Lexaurin would be relatively unnecessary,due to the short duration of DMT experience...

What are your opinions in regards to this matter? And/or could anyone offer me a personal account of overwhelmingly positive DMT experience ,while being anemic and/or having a condition of orthostatic intolerance? Is is possible for me to withstand the intensity of DMT,without the addtional use of tranquilizers,provided that I am in a positive mindset,have slept and eaten properly?

 

[fathomlessness]

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The problem with LSD is that it causes vasoconstriction, assuming it was LSD and not a RC which it probably was. That may even be why your freinds saw that your skin was pale. I am not a Dr. but I assume it would make your anemia symptoms worse because of the shortening of the vessels=less oxygen transportation. I am also not sure of taking vasodilation drugs with LSD to counter-act it but I would assume it wouldn't be safe.

As for taking DMT at the peak of another shroom or LSD trip, it would be hard to know whether you would be able to handle it. You said you were freaking out "the sensation of being overwhelmed" and started to feel like you were going to pass out. If you are new to psychedelics then you should take it slow and get a grip on what it feels like. It is always somewhat overwhelming but preparation can help you. Either way it would help if you saw a doctor if your symptoms become worse or even constant. DMT can cause short spikes in blood pressure change and heart rate and having high blood pressure is NOT good for taking DMT. Since you have low blood pressure it wouldn't be a problem but it might not be such a problem but say if you were to stand up accidentally during the trip... so I would be cautious and if you really still want to try it then make sure you have a trip sitter with a phone or car nearby.

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If you take shrooms and then DMT the DMT will last longer. If your DMT trip was 15 minutes sober it might be double that while at the peak of a shroom trip.

You will be the one to gauge whether you need to use tranquilizers for the DMT breakthrough. You can take a sub-breakthrough and if it is uncomfortable then take a benzo and up your dosage a little bit for the DMT when it starts to kick in.

Also, if you start using changa then make sure YOU DO NOT use lexapro again as it could be dangerous.

 

[Splits-of-Ecstasy]

fathomlessness, thank you for such an informative post. I am not sure I want to combine DMT with other drugs,as I suspect it would result in unbearably intense experience for me;considering,as you previously mentioned,I am new to psychedelics and in a gradual process of discovering how it feels like. The combination of shrooms and LSD was an incidental one,due to my impatience. I may try combining DMT with other substances later on in my journey;I mean,once I gain a higher level of awareness of the effects a given drug has on myself.

Also,I posted the same question into one of the active sub-reddits pertaining to DMT. One person gave me an advice to get my heart rate and blood pressure checked out,so I could put my mind at ease about such things. I am going to do this very soon. It is very probable that I am overreacting,so I need to check off the potential red flags of my list- thus giving myself a peace of mind in order to dedicate my time to matters more worthy of my concern.


And I am sorry for providing a disinformation in my original thread: I ingested Lexaurin not Lexapro.

Initially,some friends of mine told me it was going to be Lexapro,that my friend is having...So this way it got stuck in my head. Lately,during a talk with my friend,who gave me the pill,I was informed by him it was Lexaurin not Lexapro.

In regards to my friend,who works as a nurse,he was not present at the time when I was ingesting shrooms and LSD. I have only written him about my experience. He had no means to know if I was pale or not,during my trip. His conclusion of myself having an anemia is based on seeing me several times and observing my body,the way I talk and behave.

I did not ask the dealer if I could inspect the bottle with drops more closely in order to read what is written on it... I was only told by my friend-the one who gave me Lexaurin-that it was an LSD of an exceptional quality;probably originating from the Netherlands. He is friends with this person and knows what kinds of LSD he tends to possess.

Your statement that it could very well be a research chemical surprises me. I am planning on asking my friend if he is a hundred percent sure it was an LSD... as this provides an interesting food for thought...

 

[fathomlessness]

Also,I posted the same question into one of the active sub-reddits pertaining to DMT. One person gave me an advice to get my heart rate and blood pressure checked out,so I could put my mind at ease about such things. I am going to do this very soon. It is very probable that I am overreacting,so I need to check off the potential red flags of my list- thus giving myself a peace of mind in order to dedicate my time to matters more worthy of my concern.

Next time you smoke DMT, ask your nurse friend to take your blood pressure at the peak of the experience. That will make you feel safer

Your statement that it could very well be a research chemical surprises me. I am planning on asking my friend if he is a hundred percent sure it was an LSD... as this provides an interesting food for thought...

Put it this way, if you wanted to sell LSD... would you pay some shitty Chinese lab $100 for 10,000 sheets of a RC or would you pay $10,000 for a lab to supply you with 100 sheets of pure LSD. (examples exaggerated but you get the picture, it is about profit and that is why those re-agent test kits are amazingly popular these days because majority of the acid IS NOT acid. Every tab I have come across I have check with my UV light and it never glows.)

 

[Splits-of-Ecstasy]

Next time you smoke DMT, ask your nurse friend to take your blood pressure at the peak of the experience.

The only problem being,this particular nurse friend of mine does not wish to be included in my drug taking pursuits,because he has had learned a hard leason by a firsthand experience with them. He has outright expressed a wish to not be the one responsible once things go wrong. He hopes in not being the one who would have to do the reviving procedures on me. And I guess I ought to respect that;not try to persuade him in any way. I would hate being persuaded myself if I was in his place... And karma is a b...


I could potentially recruit any other person who is either drug-positive or strongly believes in harm reduction(and has an occupation of a nurse). Or the most simple solution,to entrust some friend with a task of measuring my blood pressure with a commercially available device;though this would be less reliable,I could be still able to feel reasonably secure.

it is about profit and that is why those re-agent test kits are amazingly popular these days because majority of the acid IS NOT acid. Every tab I have come across I have check with my UV light and it never glows.)

I will surely look into it,as I love staying informed and aware of my choices as much as possible. Knowledge is something I possess I strong yearning for. And pertaining to those re-agent tests,does subjecting a substance to such tests downgrade the effects it could have if immediately consumed or it has no bearing on it? I mean if I were to ingest it afterwards would there be no loss of its previous quality?

 

[fathomlessness]

Next time you smoke DMT, ask your nurse friend to take your blood pressure at the peak of the experience.

The only problem being,this particular nurse friend of mine does not wish to be included in my drug taking pursuits,because he has had learned a hard leason by a firsthand experience with them. He has outright expressed a wish to not be the one responsible once things go wrong. He hopes in not being the one who would have to do the reviving procedures on me. And I guess I ought to respect that;not try to persuade him in any way. I would hate being persuaded myself if I was in his place... And karma is a b...


I could potentially recruit any other person who is either drug-positive or strongly believes in harm reduction(and has an occupation of a nurse). Or the most simple solution,to entrust some friend with a task of measuring my blood pressure with a commercially available device;though this would be less reliable,I could be still able to feel reasonably secure.

it is about profit and that is why those re-agent test kits are amazingly popular these days because majority of the acid IS NOT acid. Every tab I have come across I have check with my UV light and it never glows.)

I will surely look into it,as I love staying informed and aware of my choices as much as possible. Knowledge is something I possess I strong yearning for. And pertaining to those re-agent tests,does subjecting a substance to such tests downgrade the effects it could have if immediately consumed or it has no bearing on it? I mean if I were to ingest it afterwards would there be no loss of its previous quality?

You lose the substance all together. You just rip a tiny piece of your tab and then it is much like checking the pool for proper PH levels.

You can buy a cheap blood pressure kit off ebay, i think even electronic ones. After watching youtube videos on how to do it, you can then teach anyone how to take vitals and resuscitation in under 5 minutes imo tbh.

I would say it is highly likely that you are absolutely fine and are just being overly cautious about this, but it is always better to be safer than sorry :thumb_up:

 

[Splits-of-Ecstasy]

You lose the substance all together. You just rip a tiny piece of your tab and then it is much like checking the pool for proper PH levels.

So In case I decide to test a blotting paper,its content is thoroughly destroyed by it,right?

 

[fathomlessness]

You lose the substance all together. You just rip a tiny piece of your tab and then it is much like checking the pool for proper PH levels.

So In case I decide to test a blotting paper,its content is thoroughly destroyed by it,right?

Just rip a tiny bit off. I would assume so yes.