Could you call it a 5th dimension??

[jamie]

"All my mushroom trips have been under an 1/8 (3.5g) and my highest dose of LSD was about 5-6 tabs so I really can't speak to "heroic" doses"

For the level I have gotten to with mushrooms that would match the deepest DMT breakthrough I have had I am talking like about 6g dry psilocybe cyanescens..I dont know what that would be in cubes...maybe 12g? It was a foolish thing to do at the time, I had no idea what I was in for and I never did that again anyway. Actually after that I dont think I ever dosed more than a gram of cyans...even 3.5g cubes is a really big dose for me but I am somewhat sensitive. For many people I think 3.5g cubes is not as powerful.

 

[jamie]

..to add to my previous post:
if you can still make out a 'point', then this is within the bounds of 3/4D geometry..

transdimensional objects (like the hypercube) can only be represented as 'slices' of higher dimensional orders in 3D representations..

sure, the level of perceiving transdimensional is beyond description in 3/4D..
but, it's also impossible to say what one is looking at either, at this level..

in superstring theory the extra 6 dimensions are 'enfolded' within the ordinary 4..
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..salvia breakthroughs are comming to mind...I wish there was a language to describe the way space seems to structure itself in the salvia dimensions..weird stuff.

 

[trufflz]

You cannot determine a point of origin because the experience is outside of the scope of our xyz concept. Instead 'it' is everywhere, like an omnipresence inherent to literally everything.

This.

 

[nen888]

You cannot determine a point of origin because the experience is outside of the scope of our xyz concept. Instead 'it' is everywhere, like an omnipresence inherent to literally everything.

This.

..is one still experiencing up/down, sideways etc..? this is within 3/4D

does the field of everyday experience have a 'point of origin'?

there is a point where the observer becomes the observed..if this is what you mean..

language again..

 

[*oneironaut*]

in superstring theory the extra 6 dimensions are 'enfolded' within the ordinary 4..
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I think "enfolded" is a pretty good term what I mean by indeterminate direction... as in from everywhere and in between. Also your sideways timeline speaks to that as well, the rate and speed at which this information comes is so rapid, much of it does feel like multiple experiences in an instance.

I dunno... hard to find proper terms to something like this. But by golly I'm trying

and my only experience with mushies was Cubes and Blue Ringers (Psilocybe stuntzii).. i'd say my biggest and dumbest mindbender was a cocktail of things (WARNING: DON'T DO THIS IT IS STUPID) Several lines of meth throughout the day (don't judge it was long ago), went to a rave, couple of more lines before going, an 1/8 of cubes, 9-10 fat bowls of MJ and two hits of MDMA... this was one of those feeling colors, smelling sound, sort of experiences and then my mind stopped processing information properly and things got very bad. At one point I was sitting in a car with the windows closed and could hear a guy talking in a car parked 30 feet away with all his windows closed... that was a rough night.

Now, in my old age I only smoke a tiny bit of MJ here and there and now DMT a couple of times a month.. i'm past the party stage of my life and am seeking deeper understanding of my mind and spirit. DMT seems to fit the bill right now. I still have a fat sack of 30x salvia that I will probably make my way back to at some point soon.

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

I think DMT is lovely, if you go far on it, you come back soon, no other psychdelic does that and I will NEVER take a high dose of mushrooms again. A lot of people have stories about that time they took too much, or more than they should have and it changed their life, often with a deathlike experience. DMT can change your life and give you the death trip, but it is over so soon and so much easier to process than being there for hours and hours.

I wish i could draw what I see, of course since there is a time aspect there is no static image involved and so a drawing could not do it justice even if it captured a perfect snapshot of the images.

 

[nen888]

^..i would definitely opt for a large DMT dose rather than a large mushroom dose..like AlbertKLloyd i don't know if i'll ever do a large psilocybin dose again..it find them much more demanding on the system than DMT..a slight physical hangover which is absent from DMT..different teacher, slightly different agenda IMO..

 

[hixidom]

If an object has N properties, then it exists in N dimensions, in my opinion. In this sense, mass should also be considered a dimension since an object can move around in "mass-space". In string theory, those extra dimensions are compact, meaning that they have physical limits (much like those of the macro 3D universe) that are very small.

"I think that we try to use higher-than-3 dimensional information all the time. Thinking in N-dimensions just means trying to think about N independent variables at the same time. I think that higher-dimensional visual phenomena probably come from the parts of our brain that categorize objects and ideas in N-dimensional spaces. For example, there are many different effects that drugs can produce: Euphoria, abstract thoughts, physical energy, vasoconstriction, immersiveness. If we were to give each of these effects an axis, we would have a 5D graph, and we could then take all drugs and we could put them somewhere in this 5D graph depending on how much of each effect they exhibit. So if you're trying to categorize things based on attributes in this way, then you're trying to think in N-dimensional space, and how we hold this ND space in our minds and how we position ideas and concepts on this space can be very interesting. If we try to visualize this ND space in our heads, we can probably see all sorts of amazing patterns between objects on that space, and I would say that the visuals we see while using psychedelics like DMT are caused by the attempts of our subconscious to visually categorize nonvisual information such as information from other senses as well as information in the form of thoughts and concepts, such as categorical properties of objects. The reason we see >3 dimensional space is because we are thinking in >3 dimensions all the time."

Something can also be said about dimensions.