Couldn't grind all of MHRB into powder, still usable?

[leeroyeleusis]

I just ground up 500g of MHRB using my kitchen blender, the thing is there's a lot of powder, but most of it is just like a cluster of very thin fibers. Can i use it as it is for an A/B extraction or should i find a way to turn it all into powder? Also how much DMT can i pull from this amount of MHRB?

 

[fractals4life]

For A/B fibres are better in terms of not clogging the filter stage so much. You're probably fine.

You could always try a couple of 50g extractions, one after grinding up the fibres, one before, and compare results to see if it's worth grinding the rest.

As for yield ... "up to" 3%, but likely 0.5% to 1% ... it varies from batch to batch of bark.

 

[leeroyeleusis]

For A/B fibres are better in terms of not clogging the filter stage so much. You're probably fine.

You could always try a couple of 50g extractions, one after grinding up the fibres, one before, and compare results to see if it's worth grinding the rest.

As for yield ... "up to" 3%, but likely 0.5% to 1% ... it varies from batch to batch of bark.

Can you explain or link me something about the "filter stage"? I was looking foward to two specific A/B teks i found, neither of them used a filter on any part of the process, so i'm not sure what filtering you're talking about

 

[fractals4life]

Usually in an A/B the bark is heated up in acidic water, then the resulting "tea" is filtered and the remaining solids are put back in more acidic water and the cycle repeated again with the tea being collected at each stage because that's where the dissolved DMT salts from the bark end up.

Then the bulk tea can be simmered down to a more manageable volume before base is added and NPS used to pull off the freebase formed by adding base.

If there's no filter step then you may be looking at AtB or Acid to Base where the distinction is that acid is used to help break down the plant matter, but base is added without filtering. ... it's really just a subtlety around naming

Is it Cyb's tek you're looking at? That's an AtB and won't scale well to over 150g or so due to the bulk of liquid required. It is however a great Tek for smaller extractions and, personally, my go to tek as I've always found so far that yields are better with many small extractions rather than one large one.

 

[leeroyeleusis]

Usually in an A/B the bark is heated up in acidic water, then the resulting "tea" is filtered and the remaining solids are put back in more acidic water and the cycle repeated again with the tea being collected at each stage because that's where the dissolved DMT salts from the bark end up.

Then the bulk tea can be simmered down to a more manageable volume before base is added and NPS used to pull off the freebase formed by adding base.

If there's no filter step then you may be looking at AtB or Acid to Base where the distinction is that acid is used to help break down the plant matter, but base is added without filtering. ... it's really just a subtlety around naming

Is it Cyb's tek you're looking at? That's an AtB and won't scale well to over 150g or so due to the bulk of liquid required. It is however a great Tek for smaller extractions and, personally, my go to tek as I've always found so far that yields are better with many small extractions rather than one large one.

I'm not really sure about the name of the tek, i found a video on Vimeo of a guy doing it and i thought it was simple enough, so i wrote it all down as a recipe and was planning to do it.

Since the best thing to do with the fibers is filtering them and doing this "tea", do you have any suggestions on a good tek for this amount of MHRB? The materials i have here are some acetic acid, 300g of NaOH, 870ml of Hexane and some pH measuring strips.

 

[fractals4life]

Since the best thing to do with the fibers is filtering them and doing this "tea",

I don't mean to imply that ... It was just because you used the term A/B which usually includes filtering, and too much powder is a pain to filter because it clogs filters.

AtB and StB ( straight to base ... i.e. just add water and NaOH to your bark for the first stage) both work fine with shreds in there too, as the strong base will break the fibres down throughout the process.

I can't watch vimeo here, so can't comment on the tek you found, but with the materials you have I'd say try this: Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki or at least have a read to compare with what you have.

It is a simple process, just when written down as step by step instructions they all add up to quite a long read.

Assuming the normal situation, where time and NaOH are much more easily available than MHRB, I'd say don't try and do all the MHRB at once, so you don't blow all your stock at once if you make a mistake or have a jar crack on you. Try a 50g extraction, that will likely give you half a gram or more, more than enough to have a good few trips to start with.

Another handy tip: Don't throw out your bark soup until you have seen the results of your pulls, the DMT might still be in there because you didn't mix it enough with the NPS or add enough base.