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null24

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A little over six years ago, i injected myself with 5meo DMT in an experimental attempt to gain a better understanding of the subtle workings of the universe. What that, and a few subsequent trips with the substance gave me was just that, and much more. I felt like i had been'downloaded'with more information than i could process and i was set on a long difficult path of now trying to understand what i had been shown, determining it's veracity, and integrating what i find to be true into my life. I say difficult because these things don't relate very well, if at all, to the culture and society i live in.

The American culture, driven by the bottom line and myth of the American dream is anathema to the universal truth i had been shown, and finding out how to make those lessons part of my life while still living within that matrix proved difficult to do with the resources that i had, so i began searching for others who has had transformative experiences with psychedelics.

Eventually, i found a group of people after doing a search on a website designed to help people create groups that meet regularly to discuss topics of interest to the organizers called meetup.com. i did not have the resources (credit card, initial fee) to start a group, so i searched for and found one. A local person has begun one after having a vivid Ayahuasca experience and nut having any people in her peer circle discuss it with, sought others who could. I began regularly attending meetings here, and in the nearly two years since, have become quite involved in this group.

We began inviting people who were either in or passing through the area who were involved in the entheogenic and cognitive liberty movement to speak and we have hosted regular presentations in addition to regular topic meetings. We have also created a small community that exists in real life as well as online of people who share this world view. Being a part of this group has introduced me to some wonderful people, and helped solidity my determination this path.

I offer this as an inspiration to others to do the same thing. I've found the creation of this small community to be one of the beneficial things I've done. It has opened me to a wider community of global activists in this movement and I've made some really good friend in it. I invite you to do the same.

If you live in an area that could sustain it, perhaps you'd be interested in creating a similar thing. I feel that there is strength in numbers, whether that is personal strength to continue your transformative journey with sort of other people or the sort of strength that lens credibility to words and actions, I feel it's beneficial.
 
To add some of my own experiences to this thread:

I tried doing something like this back in college. Despite having resurgences every year or so, the meetings would die out after a couple of weeks. We found that using a facebook group made it easy to schedule events and for new members to find us. It seemed like a really great interaction, and I was always sad that it didn't last. I think the main reason was that I wasn't diligent enough about scheduling and advertising. The second reason is that we were mainly inviting/attracting college students with very transient interests and schedules, with no emphasis on finding members who would take it more seriously. I was certainly surprised by how many people came to some of the more successful meetings that we had. I imagine that there is potential for this sort of group everywhere in the world.
 
hixidom said:
To add some of my own experiences to this thread:

I tried doing something like this back in college. Despite having resurgences every year or so, the meetings would die out after a couple of weeks. We found that using a facebook group made it easy to schedule events and for new members to find us. It seemed like a really great interaction, and I was always sad that it didn't last. I think the main reason was that I wasn't diligent enough about scheduling and advertising. The second reason is that we were mainly inviting/attracting college students with very transient interests and schedules, with no emphasis on finding members who would take it more seriously. I was certainly surprised by how many people came to some of the more successful meetings that we had. I imagine that there is potential for this sort of group everywhere in the world.

You bring up some of the very difficulties the group has been challenged by. Organization and leadership have been the primary problems, with it often being very akin to herding cats. I don't really anything to do with the organization of it anymore, and was only periphally involved, but having a core group of 3-4 people who are all dedicated to its survival have weathered the group through.

There's been a few iterations, and while I have been involved it went from a monthly meetup group to focusing more on hosting events, with attempts at splinter groups along the way. Things like a mental-health support group were tried along the way, along with movie nights and whatnot. I'm not sure where it's going to go in the future, but I'm fairly certain that it will help establish a sort of hub in the northwest for people to get together who are looking for this sort of thing.

The group has never been oriented towards 'psychonauts', but rather more towards therapeutic and spiritual use, and the age range skews higher, probably the median age of a member is 45? The people that come are genuinely interested for a variety of reasons, and I've been really surprised at the general makeup.

We do use facebook as a primary communication tool,we have a closed ( I think "secret" group) and meetings get announced through it. Of course, nothing incriminating, most members are not anonymous, and as a group it does not in any way condone illegal activity. There are many ways to discuss these things without putting oneself in harm's way. I'd post a link but am not sure if that would be frowned upon.

Again, I know there is a demand and need for this kind of thing, online communities provide a certain amount of information and camaraderie, but it goes without saying that face to face interaction has a lot going for it as well. I live in a very open, west coast, marijuana shop on the corner kind of city, and I'm sure the demand is reflected by the local culture, creating any kind of group would have to take that in hand to organize around.
 
null24 said:
organization and leadership have been the primary problems, with it often being very akin to herding cats

:lol:

most members are not anonymous, and as a group it does not in any way condone illegal activity. There are many ways to discuss these things without putting oneself in harm's way.

This is why I don't go looking for communities that put on Ayahuasca ceremonies. To me they just seem like baits for undercover police. Even when I meet a group of people I am anxious to divulge that I have access to DMT unless they seem either cool, grounded, know spiritual lingo or have had experiences with psychedelics previously.

I am glad this has worked for you null24 but these sorts of things are could be an open invitation for "the nazis" to document you and/or record you with a wire to get clearance to raid your property. Perhaps this is sheer paranoia though, but how would one know?
 

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fathomlessness said:
Intezam said:
Does a (radiant) lamp mind taking darkness as the path...?

ha, yeah until star troopers sneak up behind the lamps and smash their bulbs and stick them in cages caus their tryin to keep sh*t "dark" on earth.

That ain't possible --- clean, clear, clarity cannot be extinguished or stuck in cages or be killed. Neither can darkness sneak up on it. Why? It is (our very own) true nature (i.e. also theirs....). And noboday is left behind.
The last person will cross (the As-Sirat) by being dragged (over it)." The Prophet (SAW) said, "You cannot be more pressing in claiming from me a right that has been clearly proven to be yours, than the practitioners in interceding with Almighty for their brethren on that Day, when they see themselves safe...."
 
Intezam said:
fathomlessness said:
Intezam said:
Does a (radiant) lamp mind taking darkness as the path...?

ha, yeah until star troopers sneak up behind the lamps and smash their bulbs and stick them in cages caus their tryin to keep sh*t "dark" on earth.

That ain't possible --- clean, clear, clarity cannot be extinguished or stuck in cages or be killed. Neither can darkness sneak up on it. Why? It is (our very own) true nature (i.e. also theirs....). And noboday is left behind.
The last person will cross (the As-Sirat) by being dragged (over it)." The Prophet (SAW) said, "You cannot be more pressing in claiming from me a right that has been clearly proven to be yours, than the practitioners in interceding with Almighty for their brethren on that Day, when they see themselves safe...."

Tell that to those that were put away for DMT

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Your concerns were ours at the outset, fathomless, but we have found that paranoid unjustified. The members of this all feel that the work they are doing is important, and sharing it with the wider community at large is part of the goal.
 
A few years back I started "the church of Entheogenic gnosis", this started out as a community of experienced entheogen enthusiasts and researchers who would meet to simply discuss their experiences, their research, chemistry and pharmocological properties of Entheogenic compounds, and so on. We do occasionally take entheogens together, but this is a group of trusted friends and family, no outsiders, it's not promoted or really even discussed much...

However over the years this has turned into a community service organization, we do "project warm winter" which is where we give blankets, sleeping bags, and coats to.the homeless, then we have "food not bombs" style vegan feedings, we set up in a park with a large amount of hot vegan food, and give it to.anybody who wants it...one of our members wants to start "dot coms not bombs" where we would work to provide internet access for low income families...

I guess it's still an Entheogenic organization, in the sense that entheogens are central to many of our "members" lives, but it's turned into an outlet for our members to try to improve their communities or help others...

He [steve jobs] said that taking LSD was one of the two or three most important things he’d ever done. “He said there were things about him that people who had not tried psychedelics — even people who knew him well, including his wife — could never understand.

Imagine being unable to communicate certain things to the closest people around you, but knowing that a psychedelic user would be able to understand...just to lessen the alienation of such a fact it is important to find the others...

Below Tim Leary briefly touches on this topic:
Admit it. You aren’t like them. You’re not even close. You may occasionally dress yourself up as one of them, watch the same mindless television shows as they do, maybe even eat the same fast food sometimes. But it seems that the more you try to fit in, the more you feel like an outsider, watching the “normal people” as they go about their automatic existences. For every time you say club passwords like “Have a nice day” and “Weather’s awful today, eh?”, you yearn inside to say forbidden things like “Tell me something that makes you cry” or “What do you think deja vu is for?”. Face it, you even want to talk to that girl in the elevator. But what if that girl in the elevator (and the balding man who walks past your cubicle at work) are thinking the same thing? Who knows what you might learn from taking a chance on conversation with a stranger? Everyone carries a piece of the puzzle. Nobody comes into your life by mere coincidence. Trust your instincts. Do the unexpected. Find the others. -tim Leary

So, what do you do after you have found the others? In our case it was attempting to improve the world in any way we were able...

There's only about 10 people in the church of Entheogenic gnosis, so I don't claim we are making a huge difference, but we are making a difference, and every act of compassion, kindness, and empathy counts...

-eg

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We must begin to send out ideological visions rather than be the consumers of them. We need to turn off the metaphorical televisions which are hooking us into the network of cultural assumptions dictated from the Pentagon and Madison Avenue and what-have-you. We need, instead, to turn on our terminals, and to begin to interact with like-minded people throughout the world and establish this new intellectual order, which will be then the salvation of mankind, I firmly believe– because it is a collectivity, and people will then feel the interrelatedness of their fates, feel the interrelatedness as a thing which transcends national divisions, ideological divisions, feel the primacy of being part of the human family -terence mckenna
 
entheogenic-gnosis said:
However over the years this has turned into a community service organization, we do "project warm winter" which is where we give blankets, sleeping bags, and coats to.the homeless, then we have "food not bombs" style vegan feedings, we set up in a park with a large amount of hot vegan food, and give it to.anybody who wants it...one of our members wants to start "dot coms not bombs" where we would work to provide internet access for low income families...

I guess it's still an Entheogenic organization, in the sense that entheogens are central to many of our "members" lives, but it's turned into an outlet for our members to try to improve their communities or help others...

That's awesome! I'd love to be a part of something like this in the future.

I think legal risks could be largely avoided given that the group is smart about not encouraging illegal activity. IMO if we want to work towards integrating psychedelics into our culture in a meaningful way we have to start by creating community. With legal weed taking off in so many places and attitudes about drug use shifting dramatically, I think the climate is ideal for this kind of engagement.
 
null24 said:
Your concerns were it's at the outset, fathomless, but we have found that paranoid unjustified. The members of this all feel that the work they are doing is important, and sharing it with the wider community at large is part of the goal.

Null24 are you an english native speaker? I am just having hard to trying to find out what you said. What does it mean to say "Your concerns were it's at the outset"? My concerns were that entheogenic community is at the outset, outset of what though?

Then there is "but we have found that paranoid unjustified". Did you mean you found that "paranoia" unjustified? If so can you state your reasons? And if by we you mean intezam and yourself, then he hasn't provided any reasons either, at least not any non-metaphysical ones :|

I am serious about this though null, this topic is great in theory but could be very dangerous, you know?
 
fathomlessness said:
Null24 are you an english native speaker? I am just having hard to trying to find out what you said. What does it mean to say ...... I am serious
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Guten tag you don't understand Null24 layer??? L A Y E R !!! A Layers of native meaning on top of the bla bla bla scream??
 
Intezam said:
fathomlessness said:
Null24 are you an english native speaker? I am just having hard to trying to find out what you said. What does it mean to say ...... I am serious
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Guten tag you don't understand Null24 layer??? L A Y E R !!! A Layers of native meaning on top of the bla bla bla scream??

What? Now I don't even understand you, in fact I have hard time understanding your posts period.. but sometimes they are helpful.

Sorry null, I just don't understand what you are saying? The outset of what?

Outset means the initial stage of something; the beginning. But you just said my concerns where at the beginning.

If you told me you don't like bananas or clouds and then I responded "your concerns are at the outset" it would just mean that your fears are at the beginning... beginning of what? I could be misunderstood about something here though.
 
Intezam said:
fathomlessness said:
Null24 are you an english native speaker? I am just having hard to trying to find out what you said. What does it mean to say ...... I am serious
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Guten tag you don't understand Null24 layer??? L A Y E R !!! A Layers of native meaning on top of the bla bla bla scream??
Thank you Intezam for making me smile again or as always. This must very much be how it's like for all those listeners of my non-native language speech. One would hope.
 
Good stuff, Null!

I have made some life long friends, over the course of a few years, through going to lectures and social groups relating to discussing psychedelics. I am quite lucky due to living in a big city, as it makes it easy to join already created groups. People should definitely start their own if they live in a place without any going on.

The psychedelic movement has seemly gained quite a lot of momentum over the years and I can't see it slowing down any time soon :)
 
DoingKermit said:
Good stuff, Null!

I have made some life long friends, over the course of a few years, through going to lectures and social groups relating to discussing psychedelics. I am quite lucky due to living in a big city, as it makes it easy to join already created groups. People should definitely start their own if they live in a place without any going on.

The psychedelic movement has seemly gained quite a lot of momentum over the years and I can't see it slowing down any time soon :)

Havn't you had any issues with narcs or even sketchy people at the events who have the kind of personality that they could potentially walk in to a copshop and divulge everything about you just because you had an argument with them one day?

I see there is potential for great contacts and connections but also potential for huge failure too!
 
fathomlessness said:
DoingKermit said:
Good stuff, Null!

I have made some life long friends, over the course of a few years, through going to lectures and social groups relating to discussing psychedelics. I am quite lucky due to living in a big city, as it makes it easy to join already created groups. People should definitely start their own if they live in a place without any going on.

The psychedelic movement has seemly gained quite a lot of momentum over the years and I can't see it slowing down any time soon :)

Havn't you had any issues with narcs or even sketchy people at the events who have the kind of personality that they could potentially walk in to a copshop and divulge everything about you just because you had an argument with them one day?

I see there is potential for great contacts and connections but also potential for huge failure too!

Nope, no narcs or sketchy people. If there was a narc wandering about, then they probably left with a different viewpoint on the whole thing.

I'm not worried about cops, as they have bigger fish to fry. I'm also not doing anything wrong by talking about psychedelics and listening to psychedelic lectures. I agree it is good to be careful with these things, but it's not against the law and enforcement officers know not to waste their time and resources.
 
DoingKermit said:
fathomlessness said:
DoingKermit said:
Good stuff, Null!

I have made some life long friends, over the course of a few years, through going to lectures and social groups relating to discussing psychedelics. I am quite lucky due to living in a big city, as it makes it easy to join already created groups. People should definitely start their own if they live in a place without any going on.

The psychedelic movement has seemly gained quite a lot of momentum over the years and I can't see it slowing down any time soon :)

Havn't you had any issues with narcs or even sketchy people at the events who have the kind of personality that they could potentially walk in to a copshop and divulge everything about you just because you had an argument with them one day?

I see there is potential for great contacts and connections but also potential for huge failure too!

Nope, no narcs or sketchy people. If there was a narc wandering about, then they probably left with a different viewpoint on the whole thing.

I'm not worried about cops, as they have bigger fish to fry. I'm also not doing anything wrong by talking about psychedelics and listening to psychedelic lectures. I agree it is good to be careful with these things, but it's not against the law and enforcement officers know not to waste their time and resources.

ok, I thought that might be the case but then again I read every week about busts on people in the local newspaper for a bong and/or a stick and even raids on apartments for minimal drug offenses, so i thought it is good to always be cautious. *shhh, they could be listening* :d

I guess your point is, "don't let a societal war on drugs stand in the way of making new friends" :thumb_up:
 
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