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Some people, believe it or not, don't need any drugs to come up with such stuff, it's all about imagination.
Lot's of surrealists never even touched drugs and what they came up with looks definatly more psychedelic then what Lovercraft did there, the mind can be pretty psychedelic on it's own i guess.
Lot's of surrealists never even touched drugs and what they came up with looks definatly more psychedelic then what Lovercraft did there, the mind can be pretty psychedelic on it's own i guess.
well... yes i wasnt implying that lovecraft was tripping..
just that he had access to the SAME thing whatever it may be without the use of the keys
i wasnt saying people NEED "DRUGS" to be creative..
and no lovecraft didnt draw that.. hes a writer
just that he had access to the SAME thing whatever it may be without the use of the keys
i wasnt saying people NEED "DRUGS" to be creative..
and no lovecraft didnt draw that.. hes a writer
I am aware of the fact that he is a writer, he invented the Necronomicon, maybe he painted too, i dunno, that's pretty much everything i know about him.But sorry, i misunderstood the question.
But quite possibly yes, i am a VERY frequent and very vivid dreamer, the things i dream are way beyond my reach of imagination, and still i dream them, the mind is a strange thing, so is reality, we only know very little about the brain, and we use very little of our brain capacity, who knows what we are capable of with full brain activity, it's so facinating, yet so frustrating that we don't know so much about it.
I'm always so intrigued when i see works by some surrealist painters, they are so psychedelic, it's beyond my understanding.
But ok, sorry once again to polute your topic, i can't contribute with common sense, it's way beyond me.
Spiced said:
EXACTLY and artists like lois wain..
there is obviously SOME connection.. something that they come to be able to tap into
in much the same way psychedelics can access such realms
Oh yea, this sure is a great example of the strange ways our brains start to work when something is altered in our neuron structure.
Also brain tumors are quite facinating, so many people suddenly get these great gifts, some suddenly become mathematical geniuses for example.
But at the other hand Louis Wain's case is unique, not everyone agrees that schizophrenia made him paint in this highly psychedelic fashion.
Although, i can't see what else caused it, but again, it's frustrating that we know so little about our brain.
The problem is that we aren't using enough of our capacity and we don't have ways (except for psychedelics and other drugs) to use the extra capacity, and even then, it's still hard to work with what we can use now.
I guess if we would use all of our brains capacity reality would be sooooo much different, it's fun to philosophize about the possibilities, paranormal gifts will sure enough include the package.
Also brain tumors are quite facinating, so many people suddenly get these great gifts, some suddenly become mathematical geniuses for example.
But at the other hand Louis Wain's case is unique, not everyone agrees that schizophrenia made him paint in this highly psychedelic fashion.
Although, i can't see what else caused it, but again, it's frustrating that we know so little about our brain.
The problem is that we aren't using enough of our capacity and we don't have ways (except for psychedelics and other drugs) to use the extra capacity, and even then, it's still hard to work with what we can use now.
I guess if we would use all of our brains capacity reality would be sooooo much different, it's fun to philosophize about the possibilities, paranormal gifts will sure enough include the package.
Spiced said:
Brain Tumors and other Brain Damage manifest in a very cruel way in most of the cases , it sounds weird reading :
"Brain Tumors are fascinating , you suddenly get this great gift " I dont think of Tumors as extra Features ...
About Louis Wain: I read that he looked at lots of colours and patterns as a child , His parents were producing tapestries and such.
I see nothing Schizophrenic about his paintings - he mastered painting cats in human social situations and then simply moved on to fractaline cat patterns .
These fractals are most certainly not how he perceived his surroundings at that time ,looks like a fun task for him , a relaxing task - I see beautiful Intuitively painted patterns from his mind and associations , and a fascination/practice in the technique of symmetrical painting. As a comic painter it was his jobto translate details into simpler forms .
You wouldnt consider a grafitti artist schizophrenic because he uses distorted, sometimes unreadable letters in his pieces and more colours than one normally sees in one place .
The pictures are beautiful indeed - yet I don't think they're supernatural, overhuman , or the perfect example how a schizophrenic would see a cat as .
I love Cats
back to topic...back to lovecraft.
in many of his tales he wrote that he (=the protagonist of the story...) tried to get "useful insight or a sort of forbidden knowledge or wisdom...or whatever.." by using pschedelica. in "hypnos" and "the crawling caos" he spoke about this practice. in his story "ex oblivione" for example he wrote:
"Last night I swallowed the drug and floated dreamily into the golden valley and the shadowy groves; and
when I came this time to the antique wall, I saw that the small gate of bronze was ajar. From beyond
came a glow that weirdly lit the giant twisted trees and the tops of the buried temples, and I drifted on
songfully, expectant of the glories of the land from whence I should never return.
But as the gate swung wider and the sorcery of the drug and the dream pushed me through, I knew that..."
lovecrafts tales a full of creative psychedelic trip descriptions (and the fear that arises then you are tripping really deep...) in a very subtle, visually stunning language...and his work is misunderstood by the mass of the people, imho...
i highly recommend to read "through the gates of the silver key"...and you will know what i mean...
en.wikipedia.org
greez
cthulhus slave,
formerly known as gosvami
:twisted:
oh, i think he did...may be mushrooms...
in many of his tales he wrote that he (=the protagonist of the story...) tried to get "useful insight or a sort of forbidden knowledge or wisdom...or whatever.." by using pschedelica. in "hypnos" and "the crawling caos" he spoke about this practice. in his story "ex oblivione" for example he wrote:
"Last night I swallowed the drug and floated dreamily into the golden valley and the shadowy groves; and
when I came this time to the antique wall, I saw that the small gate of bronze was ajar. From beyond
came a glow that weirdly lit the giant twisted trees and the tops of the buried temples, and I drifted on
songfully, expectant of the glories of the land from whence I should never return.
But as the gate swung wider and the sorcery of the drug and the dream pushed me through, I knew that..."
lovecrafts tales a full of creative psychedelic trip descriptions (and the fear that arises then you are tripping really deep...) in a very subtle, visually stunning language...and his work is misunderstood by the mass of the people, imho...
i highly recommend to read "through the gates of the silver key"...and you will know what i mean...
Through the Gates of the Silver Key - Wikipedia
greez
cthulhus slave,
formerly known as gosvami
:twisted:
YESS great post gosvami
lovecraft did too.Observant said:I love Cats
"It is said that in Ulthar, which lies beyond the river Skai, no man may kill a cat; and this I can verily believe as I gaze upon him who sitteth purring before the fire. For the cat is cryptic, and close to strange things which men cannot see. He is the soul of antique Aegyptus, and bearer of tales from forgotten cities in Meroe and Ophir. He is the kin of the jungle’s lords, and heir to the secrets of hoary and sinister Africa. The Sphinx is his cousin, and he speaks her language; but he is more ancient than the Sphinx, and remembers that which she hath forgotten."
yea...as written in the tales of old...
by the way:
some people speculate the mysterious NECRONOMICON is the voinich manuskript.
Voynich manuscript - Wikipedia
there is a nice interview about this manuscript with terence mckenna floating around in the net...:
Ayawasqero
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Read HP L. 10 yrs ago. Trippy. Very DMT-like.
H.P. Lovecraft - Sacred-Texts
An H. P. Lovecraft Anthology H.P. Lovecraft is now appreciated as one of the best horror stylists of the 20th century, although for years he worked in pulp obscurity, only known to a small circle of fans and fellow writers. However, he died without heirs and the bulk of his copyrights were never...
sacred-texts.com
Spiced said:
shes mad at you about something.. or stressed out because you are
they do things to spite us
Sorry to be offtopic, but now that you mention it, since we have another cat, a male one she started doing this, but we have him like more then 6 moths already, and still now and then she pisses next to her box, we even have two boxes, but still she does that.
back to topic.
is cthulhu benign?
by the way:
some..."fools"...reported that smoking spice isn't a benefit at all.
i wonder if this fool is wrong...or has not enough love...or too much fear...whatever.
i wanna explore further.
but I will make my own judgment and i will never accept other people's point of view only because i wish their view is the right one.
so...the great antrocles (for example....) may be right and a wise man.
may be he is totally wrong and a fool.
i wanna explore further.
maybe both, "litrium" and "antrocles" misinterpret the hole dmt-experience.
maybe "burnt's" point of view is..."the best".
may be it doesn't matter.
does it?
i wanna explore further.
is cthulhu benign?
by the way:
some..."fools"...reported that smoking spice isn't a benefit at all.
litrium said:
i wonder if this fool is wrong...or has not enough love...or too much fear...whatever.
i wanna explore further.
but I will make my own judgment and i will never accept other people's point of view only because i wish their view is the right one.
so...the great antrocles (for example....) may be right and a wise man.
may be he is totally wrong and a fool.
i wanna explore further.
maybe both, "litrium" and "antrocles" misinterpret the hole dmt-experience.
maybe "burnt's" point of view is..."the best".
may be it doesn't matter.
does it?
i wanna explore further.
SWIM certainly think there is a dark side to the dmt experience. SWIM had these things going through his head once on pharm that there was these things that controlled our minds and were certainly not nice. It was evil as fuck. They were basically trying to torture SWIM into submitting. SWIM was on his knees ready to give up himself to their power. But it was an awesome trip. Why would a torture trip be awesome? Well SWIM realized this is how religious people who are god fearing view god. SWIM had dmt teach SWIM what it was like to live in fear of god.
I can see how spice could send someone who is prone to psychotic behavior could be driven over the edge from such a substance even ayahuasca.
I can see how spice could send someone who is prone to psychotic behavior could be driven over the edge from such a substance even ayahuasca.
hmmmm. yea, dmt is not for everyone. some people might be harmed (psychological...)by the extremely overwhelming and alien experience. for some people it might by not safe to use this substance and psychosis might be triggered...or uncovered.
but thats not the point i wanna focus here.
thats a point that should be discussed and is discussed (i hope so...) in another thread.
i am interested in the experience itself and how people interpret it. the way the experience is integrated by our conceptual mind in our conceptual world-view is the most rewarding study.
lovecraft integrated it in his way, with his work. and he was able to earn money with his work...a work that is fascinating people all around the world up to date...
the difficulty is, imho, to separate the objective experience from that what we (our human mind....) put in the experience.
the statement:
so three questions arises:
is it possible at all to understand?
is it necessary at all to understand?
and:
is the experience a useful one for the evolution of the individual and/or the human species and if so: in what extent....
blablabla
but thats not the point i wanna focus here.
thats a point that should be discussed and is discussed (i hope so...) in another thread.
i am interested in the experience itself and how people interpret it. the way the experience is integrated by our conceptual mind in our conceptual world-view is the most rewarding study.
lovecraft integrated it in his way, with his work. and he was able to earn money with his work...a work that is fascinating people all around the world up to date...
the difficulty is, imho, to separate the objective experience from that what we (our human mind....) put in the experience.
the statement:
is not objective at all (rather a very subjective interpretation...), imho, and not helpful to understand what was experienced....
so three questions arises:
is it possible at all to understand?
is it necessary at all to understand?
and:
is the experience a useful one for the evolution of the individual and/or the human species and if so: in what extent....
blablabla
i dont feel the drug is evil or dark nor is it light the drug is just that a drug the way the individual responds to it is what invokes light or dark imagery
it can go either way the drug only unlocks it
what happens is more up to us then most realize
it can go either way the drug only unlocks it
what happens is more up to us then most realize
Yes thats definitely a subjective interpretation on the experience. SWIM doesn't think any of it was real or anything thats just how SWIM interpreted it. Those themes were running through SWIMs mind before the trip so the interesting part is how it played itself out in SWIMs trip. I think a lot of psychedelic experiences can be like this. Whatever themes have been going on in ones head can play themselves out in the theater of the mind.
To your questions: Is it possible to understand? Yes in the physical sense I think so via neuroscience. In the mental sense its more like dream interpretation. Best left to individual or psychologists to unravel.
Is it necessary to understand? Only to break the myths.
Is experience useful for evolution of individual and or species? It can be be. Many people learn empathy via psychedelics and this can be very beneficial. So I think it depends on the situation and the individual. Its not a universal cure all however.
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