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Cybs salt tek - first time with questions

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enlightenedvoyager

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So I will be attempting Cybs hybrid a/b salt tek in the next month or two. I'm currently at the reading, re-reading n taking notes stage. From my notes I have some questions regarding certain steps which I want to get 100% clear n straight in my head before proceeding with the tek.
I apologies in advance if any of these questions have been asked before. I've used the search function n couldn't find anything concrete. However, I'm a total noob at this so might not be searching for the correct terms.
Apologies again if anything I ask here sounds stupid to you but I failed miserably at chemistry lol. I'm going into this blind n learning from scratch as I go, hence all the reading, re-reading n notes.

Anyway, here's where I'm at.

Can I use a slow cooker ( think this is a crockpot elsewhere ) for the heat baths? If so, which heat setting, warm, low or high? Though the tek says this is a warm tek, not hot so imagine not high.
What's the ideal temp as I'll be using a thermometer?

Step 3 - acidifying

Here's what it says ( copied n pasted from the tek )

1. Put 200ml De-ionised water in a pan, add 60ml vinegar and bring to just boiling.
2. Pour the acidic solution into the mixing bottle.
3. Put some tap water in a pan and bring to the boil, then turn OFF the heat. (The mix throughout this tek should be 'Warm' NOT 'Hot') (edit: A cycle of warming and leaving to room temp is best. NOT a constant Hot temp.)
4. Shake the bottle and place in the heat bath.
5. Shake/mix occasionally and re-heat (not to boiling) when the pan gets cool if necessary.
6. Leave to soak for at least one hour.

No 4, where it says, shake the bottles and place in the heat bath. Can I give it a proper shake at this point or do I need to do this gently?

No 6, where it says, leave to soak for at least an hour. What's best, 1.5 hours, 2 hours?


Step 5 - basifying

1. Weigh out 50g of Sodium Hydroxide (Lye/Caustic Soda).
2. Put 200ml of cold de-ionised water into the measuring jug.
3. Slowly add the 50g of lye to the water and stir using a metal spoon until it is all dissolved.(Add the lye crystals INTO the water (NOT water onto lye) to avoid strong reaction and splashing)
4. Carefully add the caustic solution to the bottle.
5. Top up with 140ml de-ionised water to the bottle; the overall volume should be around 700ml altogether now.
6. Shake the mixture up; it should go very dark...almost black.
7. Put the bottle in a heat bath as before (Warm/cool cycling) and soak for at least 1-2 hours, re-heating the pan if necessary.
8. Shake the mixture occasionally to prevent settling.

No 6, where it says, shake the mixture up. Again, is this a proper shake or do I do it gently?

No 7, where it says, soak for at least 1-2 hours. Again, how long is best?


Step 6 - adding the non polar solvent


1. Measure out 50ml of naphtha (lighter fluid) and pour into the bottle.
2. Lightly shake and roll the mixture in a 'figure of 8' fashion (or like peddling a bike) for 20-30 seconds.(The idea is for the naphtha to 'touch' every part of the base mix)
3. Unscrew the cap momentarily to release any pressure build-up then tighten again.
4. Place back in a heat bath. (Heated pulls draw more product)
5. Leave for a while until the naphtha separates again. (edit: This has been reported to take an hour or so the first time (occasionally))
6. REPEAT THIS four times (shake/separate) to thoroughly mix them together. This should take around 45 mins.

No 6, where it says, repeat this step four times. Am I repeating the whole of step 6 four times? So for every 50ml of naphtha I'm going to shake for 20-30 seconds, unscrew cap momentarily n then tighten, place back in heat bath, and then leave to separate again?

Doing this four times, how long should the whole thing take?


Step 7 - pulling

Can all my pulls go into 1 Pyrex dish? We live in a motorhome n our freezer is tiny. It's just one small drawer so using 1 dish crucial really?

If this is possible, where do I put the dish whilst doing my other pulls. Room temp or put in the freezer n then take back out to add the other pulls?

Do I need to evap some of the naphtha before freezing? If so, how much do I evap? Would this be at room temp or with a fan?


Step 11 - re-ex

Can I use crockpot for water bath instead of the cooker to heat the jarred naphtha? If so, what heat setting n for how long?

The tek says, ' Next place the jar in a heat bath with a sieve in the pan, this stops it bubbling too hard. The lid should be just resting on the jar to prevent fumes from escaping. DO NOT screw the lid tight! The expanding fumes will create enough pressure to explode the jar.

Would you use sieve still is using a crockpot ( that's if you can )


Think that's all lol and thank you in advance if you got to the end of all this 😁 Any help is much appreciated!!!
 
That's a lot of questions, for most of which you can find answers in FAQ and forum topics. Do your research!

Please also note there is no "best" method. DMT extraction is more of an alchemy than chemistry and what works for someone may not work so well for you. You will find your own "best" method after several trials (and errors) after you get a grip with the extraction procedure. Start with small amount of source material and learn.

Okay now answers for some of your questions:

Shaking won't cause any problems as long as you have just aqueous phase. No emulsion can form. This applies to tea and basified soup. You can get emulsions between polar (water) and nonpolar (naphtha) layers, gentle shaking is preferred. Just enough make sure the two layers meet at high surface area without mixing to the point of forming a foam (emulsion). Most emulsions go away after some time or can be broken.

You can soak the bark for two days if you like. One hour is a bare minimum and I believe most people would advice more. I personally do multiple soaks with fresh water, about 3 hours each in hot water.

Crockptot for heating naphtha? Please don't! Heating flammable solvent directly is not a good idea and it will form lots of explosive vapor inside the crockpot. A single spark from e.g. crockpot thermostat and ... BOOM. Believe me I once made a nice fireball in a kitchen. Better heat the solvent in a hot water bath - that's more than enough to heat small amounts you need for extraction.

You can do the crystallization in a single dish. Actually this works great for me as I do one pull, evaporate some naphtha until saturated, freeze precipitate for 12+ hours, pour off naphtha for reuse, scrape crystals and do another pull with the recycled naphtha plus some fresh one. The dish will contain some leftover crystals that will act like seeds and promote faster crystallization and you get uncrystallized DMT from the recycled naphtha as well.
 
blue.magic said:
That's a lot of questions, for most of which you can find answers in FAQ and forum topics. Do your research!

Please also note there is no "best" method. DMT extraction is more of an alchemy than chemistry and what works for someone may not work so well for you. You will find your own "best" method after several trials (and errors) after you get a grip with the extraction procedure. Start with small amount of source material and learn.

Okay now answers for some of your questions:

Shaking won't cause any problems as long as you have just aqueous phase. No emulsion can form. This applies to tea and basified soup. You can get emulsions between polar (water) and nonpolar (naphtha) layers, gentle shaking is preferred. Just enough make sure the two layers meet at high surface area without mixing to the point of forming a foam (emulsion). Most emulsions go away after some time or can be broken.

You can soak the bark for two days if you like. One hour is a bare minimum and I believe most people would advice more. I personally do multiple soaks with fresh water, about 3 hours each in hot water.

Crockptot for heating naphtha? Please don't! Heating flammable solvent directly is not a good idea and it will form lots of explosive vapor inside the crockpot. A single spark from e.g. crockpot thermostat and ... BOOM. Believe me I once made a nice fireball in a kitchen. Better heat the solvent in a hot water bath - that's more than enough to heat small amounts you need for extraction.

You can do the crystallization in a single dish. Actually this works great for me as I do one pull, evaporate some naphtha until saturated, freeze precipitate for 12+ hours, pour off naphtha for reuse, scrape crystals and do another pull with the recycled naphtha plus some fresh one. The dish will contain some leftover crystals that will act like seeds and promote faster crystallization and you get uncrystallized DMT from the recycled naphtha as well.

Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated and straightened certain points out for me.

I didn't mean heat the naphtha directly in the crockpot. I meant use the crockpot as a heat bath to warm the jarred naphtha. I've edited my original post to make this more clear.

Thank you again :)
 
what kind of naphta do you plan to use?
in my case the easiest to get is hexane, which i would not recommend to heat at all because of it's low boiling temp.
 
OP, from scanning your post...I think you are over thinking things. Just read the directions, follow the directions, if you truly come up stumped during process go on chat and ask someone, do the process. What works for you works, what doesn't is where you get your answers.

Truly folks are here to help but not hold hands. You have the ingredients, you have the technology, you will have spice.

I can see how the last response confused you. There are not different kinds of naptha , there are different solvents. As far as that goes, the stuff at painter's supply, called VM&P (for varnish makers and painter's) is the same functionally as lighter fluid, but is closer in price to $10/quart instead of $10/pint. That's all. No point using anything else than naptha right now.

Happy trails, welcome!
 
null24 said:
I can see how the last response confused you. There are not different kinds of naptha , there are different solvents.


i thought naphta is a name used for a group of products made out of carbon rings
maybe this is a language thing... is it just this way in german?
 
Experiment a little, try it out see how it goes. Cybs is great to use, my last batch was amazing. i don't know what i exactly did different, aside from just warm water baths.

i got 1.7% pure white freebase, did another pull a few days later from my re-x jar and on base soup and pulled alot more.

Didn't weigh the latest pulls to at add to the 1.7% but I'm surprised there's still more. Been using the same acacia, normally get around 1%.

Experiment have fun and be safe while doing it. If you really get stuck ask, but not everything has to be 100% instructions step by step. No fire would be a good idea though :)
-sen
 
jiva said:
null24 said:
I can see how the last response confused you. There are not different kinds of naptha , there are different solvents.


i thought naphta is a name used for a group of products made out of carbon rings
maybe this is a language thing... is it just this way in german?
Sorry, I am no person to quote regarding carbon rings, but yes, sorry I think you are on base.

There really seems to be a confusing nomenclature internationally around solvents. I've had big drums of screen printing solvent, varnish maker's and painter's solvent and lighter fluid here all marked with that same name.

I'm most likely the confused one, lol. It just seems like op is having a hard enough time without extra things to question.😉

sendokon said:
Experiment a little, try it out see how it goes. Cybs is great to use,

Experiment have fun and be safe while doing it. If you really get stuck ask, but not everything has to be 100% instructions step by step. No fire would be a good idea though :)
-sen
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Be sure to keep us updated on how it goes, enlightened voyages, and mighty happy trails to you on those voyages.
 
Cybs tek is great. Its very simple once you do it a couple times and get more comfortable with it. The past 2 times ive followed this tek I decided to try it without the heat bath and was very happy with the results. Lots of fluffy white x-stals from Acrb without doing a mini a/b or re-x.
 
null24 said:
OP, from scanning your post...I think you are over thinking things. Just read the directions, follow the directions, if you truly come up stumped during process go on chat and ask someone, do the process. What works for you works, what doesn't is where you get your answers.

Truly folks are here to help but not hold hands. You have the ingredients, you have the technology, you will have spice.

I can see how the last response confused you. There are not different kinds of naptha , there are different solvents. As far as that goes, the stuff at painter's supply, called VM&P (for varnish makers and painter's) is the same functionally as lighter fluid, but is closer in price to $10/quart instead of $10/pint. That's all. No point using anything else than naptha right now.

Happy trails, welcome!

Thank you for your reply!

I know I'm overthinking it but I'm a little OCD n like to gets things right lol. I suppose I won't know until I jump in n try.

Thanx again.
 
sendokon said:
Experiment a little, try it out see how it goes. Cybs is great to use, my last batch was amazing. i don't know what i exactly did different, aside from just warm water baths.

i got 1.7% pure white freebase, did another pull a few days later from my re-x jar and on base soup and pulled alot more.

Didn't weigh the latest pulls to at add to the 1.7% but I'm surprised there's still more. Been using the same acacia, normally get around 1%.

Experiment have fun and be safe while doing it. If you really get stuck ask, but not everything has to be 100% instructions step by step. No fire would be a good idea though :)
-sen

Much appreciated for that :)

I've researched pretty much all the teks on the Nexus n Cybs just feels right. Other people's results from it seem really good too. I hope mine works out as well as yours. Sounds amazing!

I'll try not to obsess over each step too much n I'll post my results once done :)
 
JuremaSpaceship said:
Cybs tek is great. Its very simple once you do it a couple times and get more comfortable with it. The past 2 times ive followed this tek I decided to try it without the heat bath and was very happy with the results. Lots of fluffy white x-stals from Acrb without doing a mini a/b or re-x.

That sounds amazing! Think I've definitely picked a good tek. Here's hoping it all goes smoothly.
 
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