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Vision farmer

Vision farmer

The shi9ing one
I have some seed pods I collected in the fall and I have been reading alot about there ability to incite lucid dreaming. Do any of u have experience with them? If so what would be a good starting dose? 3 seeds?

Also wanted to add (since I cant post anywhere else yet) that there are several toads that contain significant amounts of Bufotenine in there secretions/glands/skin besides B. Alvaris . All of these are listed in the Encyclopedia of psycoactive plants.

B.Americanus <---Yes, the common toad
Arenarum
bufo-bufo
calamita
chilensis
crucifer
formosus
fowleri
paracnemis
vidris

Thanks for any help, the nexus rules!
 
My experience is that scopolamine is by far better when it comes to sleeping, than hyoscyamine is. Datura stramonium contains mainly hyoscyamine. Scopolamine makes it much easier to fall asleep, and my experience is that it is by far the most active one of the two during sleep. Datura inoxia contains mainly scopolamine. D. stramonium should, however, work too, just not as well.

Please be aware that although the toads listed may contain entheogenic tryptamines, they often contain toxic substances. The general trend is that toad venom contains four different types of organic substances. One of these is often substances such as bufotenine, 5-MeO-DMT, serotonin and even norepinephrine, but also a rather nasty group of toxins called bufagins are found. Vilca and Yopo are far superior as sources of bufotenine.
 
Thanks EG I was curious as to which alkoloid was the more active for this purpouse, any advice on dosage? As for the toads I in no way meant they were better sources for Bufo, just thought it was interesting that so many contain it.
 
Vision farmer said:
Thanks EG I was curious as to which alkoloid was the more active for this purpouse, any advice on dosage? As for the toads I in no way meant they were better sources for Bufo, just thought it was interesting that so many contain it.
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Dosage of Datura inoxia as a sleep-aid and/or dream enhancer would be around 3-5 seeds. This can be doubled if no effects are felt (but don't heighten the dosage any more than that). For Datura stramonium I would suggest 5-8 seeds. 2-4 seeds is generally enough for potentiation of entheogens, but I think a double dose is a good idea, seeing they only contain around 20 % scopolamine.

I am not totally convinced the mentioned toads do indeed contain bufotenine and/or 5-MeO-DMT, I would need some real evidence for that. I suspect many of the listed contains other substances such as serotonin and norepinephrine. Interesting nonetheless!
 
Well thats what it says in my "bible" of psycoactives, It also says that the safest way is to smoke the secretions as this supposedly destroys the toxic compounds while leaving the bufotenine intact. I appreciate the guidance, I think I will take 2 tonight and see what effects, if any, are felt.
If theres no noticable change I will continue to double untill the desired effect jut to be safe.
 
Please be cautious, never dose over 10 seeds. The effects are very subtle. You will not get knocked out like most sleeping medications, you will only fall easier to sleep. With D. stramonium you will likely not even fall easier asleep, as hyoscyamine is a bit stimulating (or at least not sedating). I wish you good luck, friend!
 
took 2 seeds 2 nis ago and BAM! I laid in bed and suddenly felt a slight throat constriction and increased heart rate...hard to believe those tint things could do so much. Slighty tingling in hands and head and a definitly frrl the hyoscyamine. Dont know if I can sleep for awhile now...
 
Swim has been using D. Stramonium to potentiate low doses of mescaline, per 69ron. It works very well and gives a more electric feel to the trip, sorta like acid. However, he discovered that he is sensitive and needs only 2 seeds maximum. Any more than that and he starts getting dry mouth and constriction. Be very careful with Datura! These are very potent alkaloids. Work your way up one seed at a time and you'll find your sweet spot without any problem. And keep the mescal dose no higher than about 80mg your first time with this combo.
 
can anyone site a sourc for info about the %'s of alkaloids in datura specimens?
I have been getting different answeres from different people..
 
They are highly variable, but this paper is the best I have with information on many different species.
 

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69ron said:
Yeah, hyoscyamine is a stimulant. It will increase dreams IF you can manage to sleep on it.
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I usually take them just before I'm about to close my eyes, that way I fall a sleep before
they start to work.

I usually dont sleep very well on d.stramonium but the super weird dreams make up for it=)

I dont know why but scenes that I would find scary in an ordinary dream doesn't when
I have had some datura.s.
Things like swimming in pitch black deep water with sharks doesnt bother me...weird

Anyone else have similar experiences?
 
Entropymancer said:
Vision farmer said:
Well thats what it says in my "bible" of psycoactives
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I wouldn't call Raetsch's book a "bible", just a decent starting point. He doesn't provide citations for the majority of his claims, which makes it hard to trust his information.
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indeed.

an entheogenic 'bible' would be Pharmacotheon.
 
imPsimon said:
69ron said:
Yeah, hyoscyamine is a stimulant. It will increase dreams IF you can manage to sleep on it.
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I usually take them just before I'm about to close my eyes, that way I fall a sleep before
they start to work.

I usually dont sleep very well on d.stramonium but the super weird dreams make up for it=)

I dont know why but scenes that I would find scary in an ordinary dream doesn't when
I have had some datura.s.
Things like swimming in pitch black deep water with sharks doesnt bother me...weird

Anyone else have similar experiences?
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Funny you say that, I was looking at the composition at some homeopathic medecine they start to sell here, and lots of homeo sedative have tropane plants in it ! not just one or another alcaloid but some plant extract like:

Stramonium 3 DH,
Hyoscyamus niger 3 DH,
Passiflora incarnata 3 DH,
Ballota foetida 3 DH,
Nux moschata 4 CH,
aa 1,2 mg or
this other one:

Abrus precatorius 6 CH - 0,5mg
Aconitum napellus 6 CH - 0,5mg
Atropa belladonna 6 CH - 0,5mg
Calendula officinalis 6 CH - 0,5mg
Chelidonium majus 6 CH - 0,5mg
Viburnum opulus 6 CH - 0,5mg

So I start to research what say the medical about these plants for its potential and stramonium is attested to help children deal with hellish nightmares (this terror while in a dark room as well).
This is amazing how much tropanes are asociated with stress-relieve in this pharmacopeia !!
I didn't know this was still such a thing here !
Well of course the doses are very low.
 
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