de ja vu

[sidefx]

De ja vu

I remember smoking my first ever cone of DMT it was 'Dream Time' herbal blend, and i remember saying after i had thought about it, that it felt like i had reached a moment in time that i was always leading to,
The buzz of the DMT felt almost like it was a natural thing like i had already tried it before at some stage though i never had,
OR that it was some how familiar, though it was the scariest moment in my life and i had never even heard of DMT the first time i tried it, there was something about it that i felt i knew but i could not tell were.
It is even more familiar a sensation now.

AND i am sure i have not had a FULL De Ja Vu since taking DMT sometimes i get like 1/4 or half way Da Ja Vu's and i think it is about to be a full De Ja Vu but it is only a very dim De Ja Vu feeling or Sensation.

Have any others noticed a lack of De ja vu's or their intensity?

What do you think? i just thought this?
'they' do not know what de ja vu is do they?

it sux writing that word heaps

 

[Compound37]

Hi there Sidefx,
During my first experiences (I've been led to believe now the quality was less than great(bought from dealer)) I never had any large scale deja vu, just the smaller something feels familiar sensation you describe as quarter or half deja vu.

However once I extracted my first time, the hardcore been here before in this trip before, know whats going to happen next deja vu was definitely intense for several trips in a row. Or actually, more like a phase that lasted a week or two(me and my two friends were doing numerous trips per day at this point, read more about it in my intro essay if you're interested). Anyway, after that me and "jay" and "kay" all noticed that the deja vu feeling went away, but what remained we described as a "coming home" type feeling. Like you hit it, initial transition, then it would be familiar, comfortable, we were always joyful to be back to that magical hyperspace realm. Since then I've noticed that with greater lengths between my trips, that higher levels of deja vu came back, but that the coming home feeling stayed in addition to it.

This is my experience with the phenomena anyway. Hope that made some semblance of sense.

 

[tango]

the collective unconscious...
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[Compound37]

As in were re integrating into the "human mind"? I've had that thought about it before myself... then I thought, if humans evolve towards unity on a spiritual plane past the physical, and that is indeed what the plane of existence is like for the collective human mind, then oh man thats going to be one heck of a ride for the entire race.

 

[didier12]

When I finally had my DMT breakthrough experience, I had a full blown perpetual deja vu, I realised I'd smoked DMT in the past and had the same realisation and I was mad at myself for having the same trip again. When I finally came to I realised I hadn't had that trip before or even smoked DMT in my bedroom alone before but at the time I was certain lasted about a minute of perpetual deja vu pretty crazy.
It wasn't like deja vu though I felt like I actually had done it before and when I realised I hadn't, I thought that maybe I had in a past life and that reality was just living the same life over and over.

 

[Compound37]

That described in words the deja vu I felt sitting in my friends 67 Bel Aire in his old garage, the inside turned into like KIT from knight rider...and then like my friend "kay" was sitting next to me, colors exploding everywhere, and I was trying to explain to him that i'd been in this exact time in this exact place on this day already before with him in he car doing this, he takled and i knew what he would say. Told him so, then proceeded to tell him what he was going to say next. He acted like it was actually what was on his mind, but I can't ever know for sure. Thanks for the post Didier12. I see its your first one!! Congrats on that and even though I just joined yesterday evening I'd like to extend a warm welcome to the nexus.

I was a long time lurker and while I haven't been a member long I can say the community is amazing and I look forward to exploring hyperspace with you and them in the future.

 

[didier12]

Thanks for the welcome, you think about past lives when you had that deja vu?

 

[Compound37]

Contemplated. But didn't allow myself too much time for thinking about it just then. I definitely believe that past lives are possible and even plausible. When I was in it it wasn't exactly like living the same life over and over, it was more like I thought some parallell version of myself from an alternate reality must have done it, or maybe that he was also doing it right now, so both of us ended up juxtaposed over each other in hyperspace....

Rambling random ideas I get regarding a lot of this stuff. No evidence. Just random ideas I've came up with regarding my experiences over the last two years or so.

 

[Icon]

This deja vu feeling is perhaps THE reason to do spice! That time dilation, feeling of familiarity, and going somewhere new are all tied together. I think what's happening is you're opening up some psychic ability that lets you see into the future/past. That 'deja vu' is you simultaneously thinking in the future+past while being in the present. So in the moment you're like "Here comes a wave of events" and your future mind is like "already been there, brah" and your past mind is like "holy shit holy shit I know everything that is happening. Am I everything? Am I god!?!" Throw it all together and you get that funny feeling that you've seen it all before, while experiencing something completely remarkable.

Just a theory.

 

[Compound37]

See, one of my problem is that for every like event that happens out there in hyperspace I end up coming with like a hundred possible theories. And each of them is just as good as the last one, and like none of them can be proven or disproven. Its mind boggling lol.

 

[esotericagenda]

my first time ever smoking dmt i had a bad scary trip of seeing a red and black humanoid figure in my pitch black room with my eyes closed laying on the floor as soon as i was balls deep and scared of the figure i to open my eyes in the peak of takeoff i was planning on turning on the lights and making the trip go away but i got hit with the de ja vu right away mid trip of looking at my glowing xbox cord having a hard time finding the light switch and running in the bathroom to look at myself in the mirror all were de ja vu and i was staring deep into my eyes still buzzing and the feeling lasted quite a long time. i think i may of posted about it not sure.

de ja vu is so strange especially when you can call it and know when it is about to happen i catch myself calling it all the time and the more i have it the more i feel connected to the universe some how. many times i have had it with re occuring numbers going to look at the clock and calling it out

cant really give any input on theories i find many plausible but dont believe full heartedly in anything ive heard

 

[Compound37]

it's hard to believe anything except first hand experience, especially with crazy type situations that happen. After having a couple myself, I don't doubt the validity of the rest of the reports. That, and here at the Nexus theres such a bond, respect, and overall awesomeness that I respect others to not lie or change their reports in any way.

I like the balls deep analogy :lol: I usually say "right in the thick of it" myself.

How have your subsequent experiences been esotericagenda? Overall positive I hope.

 

[DeMaTron]

the buzz of dmt, feels like the buzz of astral projection to me, which makes sense since they are both like Out of body experiences. and i'm of the belief everyone astral projects and most of the time is unaware, this would account for feelings of de ja vu or unpinpointed familiarity, because it would mean youve been experiencing them from birth or even before.

 

[Compound37]

I like that DeMaTron. I've never managed to consciously project, but have gotten the "vibes" during the rope technique on and describe both as feeling all quantum flux like.

 

[esotericagenda]

i would never fabricate a story brother that story is 100 percent true and caused me not to touch spice for a whole year before i was ready again. it was a waxy orange from my 1st ever extract. i think i really did post about it in my introduction

my experiences following and my extracts have been much more positive. to be honest im not even sure what i look for in the molecule yet as in what i seek. every experience is so different i just know it feels right. sometimes i have those ego shattering experiences where i truly see where we stand in this thing we call life, sometimes i have the strongest visuals, sometimes i see absolutely none but get a rush of info flooding my head with alot of the answers to things that i struggle with in everyday life.

de ja vu is so interesting though. so is dreaming the brain and the whole complexity of us humans, the eco system all the animals, the whole earth, and then the solar system and continuing is so crazy this cant be a coincidence the way things work. theres something to this and we will see it one day. the secret has to be what happens when we shed our trap of flesh its the one thing we will never know because no one can speak to tell about it.

i know about NDE no need to mention it

 

[Compound37]

I definitely am drawn to the molecule for unknown reasons, many a time I've come back from hyperspace saying NEVER AGAIN, only to blast off a couple of days or weeks later.

Glad to hear your next experiences were more positive esotericagenda. I hate to see it when people have a bad time off the bat and give up before they get a good one. As the good ones, well, they're amazing beyond measure.

 

[Volvox]

Here is another way to look at it:
deja vu is common; lots people take it to be something spirituality, or time travel of some sort of unique experience.
Always bugged me- until I heard of this simple chemical expatiation:

When our brain interprets reality correctly; our senses hit our consciousnesses and then get recorded to our memory. But when Deja Vu happens, the brain registers into the memory first and the consciousnesses 2nd.

I.E. our conscious perception of reality has actually slowed down a little bit, letting things hit our short term memory first, thus we feel like we have already 'been there before.' One channel has gotten backed up for what ever reason, chemically in our brain.

Not to de-rail the thread, but there is the chemical expatiation for Deja vu is interesting.

That being said, Slim had deja vu for the first time the other night on spice and it was ok, but a little funny to be like; 'Oh yea, I was doing this!' over and over and thus he chased his tail.

 

[Compound37]

That just blew my mind Volvox. Thanks.

Not derailing at all IMHO, If one is of a spirituality mindset than it would make sense from that paradigm to logically assume that a spiritual experience or entity would have a way to manifest itself within a mechanism of action in the physical reality. (Souls have bodies, a spiritual/esoteric/religious explanation for deja vu could also have a mechanism of physical action as well).

Do you happen to know of any studies or theories on the subject? IE what brain areas or neurotransmitters are responsible for the objective slowing of consciousness so that memory can be recorded before our consciousness can experience the event? (I realize that most psychedelics create subjective senses of time distortion, however by affecting which areas of the brain specifially would this subjective experience allow for memory to be recorded before hand) Would it hold that DMT activates the same areas or transmitters or whatever it may be that normal waking deja vu does, or would it have a different mechanism?

On a side note, deja vecu or deja senti (already experienced and already felt respectively) would probably be better terms to describe the commonly labeled psychedelic "deja vu"(already seen). I feel however the experience is deeper than a visual stimulus down to the entirety of the experience and sensation, thus maybe a combination of deja vecu and deja senti would be most appropriate.
For recurring trips to the same location were what we call "deja vu" is experienced, deja visite (already visited) may be a better suited term. Or maybe for ease of discussion some smart American decided years ago to drop the multiple forms and just classify them as deja vu, so we could also just do that.

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

what if deja vu meant that you lost a life and are starting back up from your last checkpoint?

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[Volvox]

The best I could find from a quick search was:

http://www.jamesgeary.com/assets/totalrecall2.pdf

"Been There done that" section of the article towards the bottom published in 1997.
Refrences James Geary as man who originally came up with that theory but it has not been proven.

Makes sense to me though.
Funny, there is really very little knowledge about the Deja vu it seems.

I agree about the distinction between "deja vu" & deja visite.

Swim tells me that he always experiences a deja visite, it feels like he has been to this place before. It is comfortable like home in a way.

Swims deja vu experience the other night felt different. It felt just like deja vu in his normal life, but he was fully out there in his experience. He says it felt like a loop that repeated about 3-4 times before the trip was over.