Death & DMT

[The Dream Walker]

After a recent dream, the question of 'What would happen if I died while in hyperspace?' arose. I am of course referring to a physical death, and not ego-death. What do you guys think?

 

[DeadLizard]

I don't think you would notice considering the relationship between the two states

 

[sillysyban]

Too much dmt and people generally cant remember the trip. Your brain releases loads of dmt at the point of death. You already have lots of dmt in your system. Result? You will probably forget you died and go on living a perfectly normal life.

 

[adrian89987]

hm hard to say
it is speculated that there is possibly a DMT release at death, but this is unproven.
I guess you'd go to a way different place during those 6 or so minutes that your brain is style firing and your body is dead. Completely experiencing the DMT in only the mental realm.

 

[The Dream Walker]

See, even with the extra DMT that your brain is supposedly releasing during death, what happens when your brain stops functioning, ie no more electrical signals and whatnot? Are you still going to be tripping? When we are in hyperspace, is that a fabrication of the mind, or something we are perceiving with a completely different sensory 'organ'? If there is such a thing as a soul, does it stay in hyperspace, is hyperspace 'heaven' or 'nirvana'?

 

[adrian89987]

heh
well what is the difference between a fabrication of the mind and reality.

After you are brain dead, I'd say you'd go to the same place as everyone else...which isn't necessarily any less AWEsome without the DMT effects.

 

[El Ka Bong]

.. "so was I just hit by the the Hyperspace bus.? ... you'd wonder - "Or was I really run over by a bus? ..." ...

Which makes me wonder, so what if your body's demise was by a sudden 'splat' ... with no time to have the pineal gland squeeze out it's stuff ... ?! Would you be stuck somewhere in between the layers of the veils.!?

 

[Annunaki2012]

After a recent dream, the question of 'What would happen if I died while in hyperspace?' arose. I am of course referring to a physical death, and not ego-death. What do you guys think?

Read the small book: "The psychedelic experience - A manual based of the tibetan book of the dead" from Timothy Leary.

Or/And you read the original of the Tibetan book of the dead and you will know what will happen.

 

[The Dream Walker]

Read the small book: "The psychedelic experience - A manual based of the tibetan book of the dead" from Timothy Leary.

Or/And you read the original of the Tibetan book of the dead and you will know what will happen.

PDF Links?

 

[JovialEel]

Nobody has yet proven that DMT has anything to do with death. It is unproven that massive amounts of DMT are released during death. At this point, what would happen if you died while under the unfluence of DMT is...you would die.

 

[sattwa23]

See, even with the extra DMT that your brain is supposedly releasing during death, what happens when your brain stops functioning, ie no more electrical signals and whatnot? Are you still going to be tripping? When we are in hyperspace, is that a fabrication of the mind, or something we are perceiving with a completely different sensory 'organ'? If there is such a thing as a soul, does it stay in hyperspace, is hyperspace 'heaven' or 'nirvana'?

Dear Dream Walker, WHO do you suppose to meet here to get the answers? :shock: All you could possibly find would be just thoughts & fantasies They may vary due to the cultural and intellectual level of an answering person, but... Who is the Master making the grass green? :roll:

 

[sattwa23]

After a recent dream, the question of 'What would happen if I died while in hyperspace?' arose. I am of course referring to a physical death, and not ego-death. What do you guys think?

And please think - what would happen if I died while in NO hyperspace? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: "That is the question..." (c)

 

[The Dream Walker]

Dear Dream Walker, WHO do you suppose to meet here to get the answers? :shock: All you could possibly find would be just thoughts & fantasies They may vary due to the cultural and intellectual level of an answering person, but... Who is the Master making the grass green? :roll:

I didn't ask for answers, I asked for thoughts. As far as I'm concerned, I'm the Master making my own grass green.

And please think - what would happen if I died while in NO hyperspace? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: "That is the question..." (c)

It sounds like you're telling me to not put the cart in front of the horse and that I should think about regular death first. If I'm correct in that interpretation, then been there thought that. If I'm wrong, and you wanted to imply a somewhat deeper philosophical insinuation, then let's hear your thoughts on the matter to get the dialog rolling.

 

[sattwa23]

Dear Dream Walker, WHO do you suppose to meet here to get the answers? :shock: All you could possibly find would be just thoughts & fantasies They may vary due to the cultural and intellectual level of an answering person, but... Who is the Master making the grass green? :roll:

I didn't ask for answers, I asked for thoughts. As far as I'm concerned, I'm the Master making my own grass green.

And please think - what would happen if I died while in NO hyperspace? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: "That is the question..." (c)

It sounds like you're telling me to not put the cart in front of the horse and that I should think about regular death first. If I'm correct in that interpretation, then been there thought that. If I'm wrong, and you wanted to imply a somewhat deeper philosophical insinuation, then let's hear your thoughts on the matter to get the dialog rolling.

Hello, Dream Walker! Glad to hearing from you!
Right you are, what I am proposing to do is to think on "regular" death. You are The Master, so possibly it will be your own projections and expectations you will be dealing with after the body's dead. But do you associate yourSELF with your mind? There are so many theories, but what do you think? OK, when going to "hyperspace", while your biological body is still alive, who is actualy "going" there? :roll: It's as to "different sensory organ" or "soul". After coming back we are able (well, sometimes not) to share our visions. As we are back to the body we construct "fabrication of the mind" to make it possible to share our experience with somebody. And we can do it really FAST But what was the experience itself? And, again, who was the traveller? The problem is that we are discussing all that being ALIVE 8) Psychedelic drugs sometimes grant us possibility to leave our bodies, i.e. we use some medium, which (or should I say WHO) has it's own influence on what is going on. It influences our further descriptions accordingly. Dying while behind some stuff will break our bonds with the body (there are several conceptions of these bonds and all are rather esoteric) just as ordinary dying while being "sober", so possibly we will have just one more veil of "illusions" for some time before going to ... well, where we will be able to go according to integration level of ourSELF Anyway, we'll see pretty soon :lol: As to nirvana, I think no, it's not. Anyway it doesn't look like classical nirvana conception.
BTW, thanks for starting this interesting topic!
Besides Tibetian Book of the Dead (great read, indeed!), you may be interested in http://www.discogs.com/release/147150
A great visionary experience on topic, but expressed in a musical form. There's CD as well, not just vinyl.

 

[DeadLizard]

As far as I'm concerned, I'm the Master making my own grass green.

Close grashopper. But if you said the grass was pink that wouldn't make it true.
In fact if that "where" the answer the question would have no meaning at all.
I would say Consensus reality or Language but even those are probably incorrect.
In the end it is just a koan and to answer with words is pointless...


Tangent much :lol:


Search youtube for "Navigating the afterlife"

 

[sattwa23]

As far as I'm concerned, I'm the Master making my own grass green.

But if you said the grass was pink that wouldn't make it true.

:arrow: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[The Dream Walker]

Well maybe my perception of green is really your perception of pink!

 

[sattwa23]

Well maybe my perception of green is really your perception of pink!

Exactly! You are the Master, who... and so on And it's really amazing about this universe :d

 

[DeadLizard]

Well maybe my perception of green is really your perception of pink!

By any other name, Grass is always ... green.
What we are talking about is the words you ascribe meaning to.
At least that is how I see the question ...