Decanting rue after salting

[balaur]

Hello again,
I have recieved a new batch of rue and started to do a manske on it yesterday. I took 100 grams of it, mran it through a blender , then boiled it 3 times with some white vinegar added.

Resulting liquid was boiled down to about 400 ml then mixed with around 500 ml of water saturated with sea salt.
All of this was placed in the fridge around 8 hours ago, but i have yet to see anything decant, mainly because the liquid remains as opaque as it was when i first poured it.

Is all of this normal and should i just have patience or is there something wrong and i should just try adding some lye water right now to make the goodies precip?

Edit : Also i forgot to mention that i have some more rue seeds waiting around . What would you guys sugest as a good dosage and preparation method if one was to try a pharmahuasca mixture with it ?

Thanks in advance

 

[jackstraw]

im no expert but i dont think you want precips right after a salt wash dont you filter again and then drop PH to make it drop out? but im sure some one more experinced could give us a clue, since i have only done it 2 times myself.

 

[endlessness]

It didnt precipitate because there probably wasnt enough salt. When you mix a saturated solution of salt with a non-saturated solution (with the dissolved harmalas), the salt will dilute and therefore be under the saturation level. What you want is that its totally saturated, the whole thing, otherwise not much or not at all of the harmalas will precipitate.

check the harmala guide out:

Harmalas Extraction and Separation Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

So now I would say you should get it out of the fridge, put the whole thing to boil again and add salt till no more dissolves, and follow the rest of the guide from step 10

good luck and tell us how it went!

 

[Crystalito]

I was wondering about that too...I think water saturates at about 36% salt in room temperature. The original "manske" method utilises about 10% salt content so if balaur mixed a fully saturated 500ml solution with 400 ml of the rue tea he/she should still be slightly above 10%.

Has anyone checked if there are notable differences in precipitation between 10% and full saturation?

Also, a good idea would be , since you know the tea volume to add the salt straight to your tea. If you happen to have a salt contamination it can always be cleaned up at a later stage.

 

[balaur]

Those were my sentiments exactly....i mean i could boil the whole thing down to about 500 ml and then it would probabily be saturated but what would decant would be the excess salt.
Is there any way the liquid left behind should look so i would know that the goodies indeed migrated to the bottom of the container and its safe for me to decant?

 

[endlessness]

if it was completely salt saturated, it should all immediately start precipitating and within a few minutes you should see the clouds gather forming a distinct density than the liquid, which will be much clearer. I would say half an hour to one hour in the fridge, if it was properly saturated, is more than enough to be ready to filter/decant. The thing is, sometimes with salt saturation the precipitates might not completely go to the bottom, so you cant decant, but filtering will still work (first filtering is a pain).

 

[balaur]

Thanks for the reply.

I still have one last question though. i noticed the consistency of the reduced tea is really muddy so this came to me.
Basically the salting is so that the goodies precipitate and the bad stuff remains suspended in the saturated water.

But working with the initial tea seems pretty tricky to me, especially because you can't see anything through it even after the precipitation and the consistency is really muddy.

So, would it actually hurt to do a base precipitation first, decant, gather both the goodies and the bad stuff, redisolve in some vinegar water and then try to saturate the water with salt to see what precipitates? I figured that if i get nothing then i can still add base and regather the goodies and also i'd skip some really painfull filtering processes.
Did anyone try this or should i just have a go at it and see how it turns out?

Thanks in advance

 

[gibran2]

Thanks for the reply.

I still have one last question though. i noticed the consistency of the reduced tea is really muddy so this came to me.
Basically the salting is so that the goodies precipitate and the bad stuff remains suspended in the saturated water.

But working with the initial tea seems pretty tricky to me, especially because you can't see anything through it even after the precipitation and the consistency is really muddy.

So, would it actually hurt to do a base precipitation first, decant, gather both the goodies and the bad stuff, redisolve in some vinegar water and then try to saturate the water with salt to see what precipitates? I figured that if i get nothing then i can still add base and regather the goodies and also i'd skip some really painfull filtering processes.
Did anyone try this or should i just have a go at it and see how it turns out?

Thanks in advance

If you take a look at this thread, you’ll see that you’re describing a very similar procedure, except using rue instead of caapi and adding a salting step immediately after the “Acidify, Remove Insoluble Impurities” step.

I plan on trying this myself as soon as my order of rue comes in. It seems that the settling of the HCl salts should be less problematic if the alkaloids are already purified and clean.

Give it a try!