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Have you read it?
What are your thoughts?
Really? No one?
Do we have any green anarchists on the Nexus? Any "anarcho-primitivists"? Environmental activists? Anyone?
Material resource collection and production is destroying the environment and directly contributing to the daily rape, maiming and slaughter of millions of people worldwide...
Unprecedented quantities of greenhouse gasses were dumped into the atmosphere this year...
There's more plastic in the ocean than plankton...
200 species went extinct today...
What are you going to do about it?
Do we have any green anarchists on the Nexus? Any "anarcho-primitivists"? Environmental activists? Anyone?
Material resource collection and production is destroying the environment and directly contributing to the daily rape, maiming and slaughter of millions of people worldwide...
Unprecedented quantities of greenhouse gasses were dumped into the atmosphere this year...
There's more plastic in the ocean than plankton...
200 species went extinct today...
What are you going to do about it?
I'll definitely see if I can find it.
I know I wanna do something about all of this madness. Somethings gotta give...
I know I wanna do something about all of this madness. Somethings gotta give...
Parshvik Chintan
Esteemed member
nothing in particular..SnozzleBerry said:
...because you support the decimation of our planet?Parshvik Chintan said:
The title seems to make sense to me in a way that its a resistance of love, resistance of positive energies, and it seems to me its a book about the governments negative system.
Green is the vibrational frequency color of love.
The picture of the cover shows the yin-yang rule of positive and negative.
But obviously in more simple context the book is about greenhouse gases.
Green is the vibrational frequency color of love.
The picture of the cover shows the yin-yang rule of positive and negative.
But obviously in more simple context the book is about greenhouse gases.
27 million tonnes of dead fish thrown back into the sea every year?
80% of the world's rainforests already destroyed?
Deforestation is producing more carbon dioxide than the entire global transport system?
Worldwide, the yearly domesticated animal slaughter count is more than 50 billion?
This book's going on my list.
80% of the world's rainforests already destroyed?
Deforestation is producing more carbon dioxide than the entire global transport system?
Worldwide, the yearly domesticated animal slaughter count is more than 50 billion?
This book's going on my list.
SnozzleBerry said:
Sure, but snozz I dont like to talk about it here a whole lot due to peoples reaction. I dont just eat a raw vegan diet becasue I think it is healthy. I also think it is the least taxing on the planet. I dont eat meat becasue farming animals is a waste of resources IMO. Cutting forest to grow soy to feed animals that wont feed near the ammount of people that the soy and other crops would is so wasteful concidering our place. Veganism is just the green way to go I think..not to mention the methane gas given off by livestock..this is TOTALLY different from a person who hunts sustainably. If I have kids and they want to try meat that is fine by me, but I will personally take them hunting if they were ever to make that choice.
The problem here I find is that people get defensive if you tell them that the way they eat is alot more taxing on the planet than the way many other people eat. People dont like to concider their actions often in this way I find..noone is perfect and trust me, I know that every single one us can do more and more every day in our lives to leave less of a footprint. You learn more each day and we should not remain stagnant.
I have my own reusable grocery bags, I try not to buy things in plastic..I buy biodegradable dish soap,toothpaste and shampoos etc..I try to make sure I buy clothing that is made from organic materials, and ethically grown and produced materials if possible.
I compost and recycle...these things should be a given these days but it astounds me how many people dont even care to do these simple things.
I pay more for food every day willingly that is ethically farmed and I avoid supporting people like Monsanto at all costs..
I studied environmental philosophy for a semester in college and I learned alot about how taxing something like the food we choose to eat can be on the planet. I really do believe that veganism cuts down on alot of this, and I think that people who dont eat environmentally sustainably should be taxed for it..though I also think sustainable diets should be promoted more and be more affordable.
I still drive a car though, which I refused to do for about 5-6 years until a little over a year ago.
toppy said:
So love is ~550 THz? Gives the song "Love Hurts" a new meaning!
On a more serious note, I'm curious where your association between love and the frequency of green light comes from?
Regarding the book, I haven't read it, but it sure looks interesting.
Don't drive a car, eat a vegan diet, and don' really buy anything.
I hear you jamie and proto...the thing is, our personal consumer choices and consumption amount to a sliver of a fraction of the consumption of the planet. The vast majority of consumption and pollution are coming from the corporations who are making ridiculously insane private profits off of pushing all of this crap on the global populace. So while I can stop buying this or that or eat "green" or not drive, that has close to no net effect on the overall state of things. I don't deny that they may be great personal decisions and would never dissuade anyone from engaging in as many "individualist" strategies as possible, but as far as changing or stopping the system of global production/consumption, it's not very effective, imo.
It seems to me that a very common "liberal" perspective on those personal strategies is to extrapolate and say, "Well, what if everyone did it," but we see that not everyone will do it and convincing enough people to matter would be far too time consuming and lengthy a process to be viable, imo. We sit here as corporations privatize profits and socialize costs, drinking polluted water, eating contaminated food and providing a customer base for these people to continue murdering us and the planet. I know people get defensive when they face the fact that their action or inaction is killing the planet and this is but one of many inconvenient truths when examining our current system (war, capitalism and globalization are some others). If we're not willing to look these problems in the face and do something about them, why the hell are we here? What could be more important? I mean, personally, I find myself thinking this is perfect for a DMT/psychedelic forum where people are always talking about the holistic nature of the universe and the interconnectedness of all things and the beauty of nature...it seems like a natural fit to me. So, I don't mind posting a potentially devisive issue in this vein, because it needs to be confronted and, as it's not an easy subject, grappled with and fought over until we actually affect some long-term, positive, systemic changes.
It seems to me that a very common "liberal" perspective on those personal strategies is to extrapolate and say, "Well, what if everyone did it," but we see that not everyone will do it and convincing enough people to matter would be far too time consuming and lengthy a process to be viable, imo. We sit here as corporations privatize profits and socialize costs, drinking polluted water, eating contaminated food and providing a customer base for these people to continue murdering us and the planet. I know people get defensive when they face the fact that their action or inaction is killing the planet and this is but one of many inconvenient truths when examining our current system (war, capitalism and globalization are some others). If we're not willing to look these problems in the face and do something about them, why the hell are we here? What could be more important? I mean, personally, I find myself thinking this is perfect for a DMT/psychedelic forum where people are always talking about the holistic nature of the universe and the interconnectedness of all things and the beauty of nature...it seems like a natural fit to me. So, I don't mind posting a potentially devisive issue in this vein, because it needs to be confronted and, as it's not an easy subject, grappled with and fought over until we actually affect some long-term, positive, systemic changes.
SnozzleBerry
Thank you for this thread the Deep Green Resistance looks incredibly interesting, ill definitely give it a read... I've worked for one of the biggest environmental organisations in the world as well as for an extremist environmental organisation and sadly both of them are run by politically orientated suits, who generally don't really believe in what they are doing or working towards. The environmental movement isn't making much head way, as from what i have seen people are to disconnected from our planet for any environmental movement to make a real impact when it comes to protecting our earth.
It was probably one of the most difficult decisions of my life to leave the environmental activist movement but it was incredibly important for me to realise that its a completely impossible task to change the way in which people think. We are all personally responsible for the transformation of our own consciousness, I have found that the best route of positive change and transformation is to rather work on myself and hopefully it might inspire a ripple effect.
I am a avid collector of seeds and i think its one of the most important things that we all should be doing at the moment as we should try our utmost best to preserve the origin of our plant species, specifically our medicinal, food and entheogens species.
Also learning permaculture is an excellent way of cultivation by doing as little harm to the environment as possible, biodynamic agriculture is also extremely important to implement...
I guess now we have the most amazing opportunity to grow and bring about a true change within the global consciousness by transforming our own hearts and minds and remembering to tread lightly on the earth where ever we may go. ♥
Much Peace and Kindness
Thank you for this thread the Deep Green Resistance looks incredibly interesting, ill definitely give it a read... I've worked for one of the biggest environmental organisations in the world as well as for an extremist environmental organisation and sadly both of them are run by politically orientated suits, who generally don't really believe in what they are doing or working towards. The environmental movement isn't making much head way, as from what i have seen people are to disconnected from our planet for any environmental movement to make a real impact when it comes to protecting our earth.
It was probably one of the most difficult decisions of my life to leave the environmental activist movement but it was incredibly important for me to realise that its a completely impossible task to change the way in which people think. We are all personally responsible for the transformation of our own consciousness, I have found that the best route of positive change and transformation is to rather work on myself and hopefully it might inspire a ripple effect.
I am a avid collector of seeds and i think its one of the most important things that we all should be doing at the moment as we should try our utmost best to preserve the origin of our plant species, specifically our medicinal, food and entheogens species.
Also learning permaculture is an excellent way of cultivation by doing as little harm to the environment as possible, biodynamic agriculture is also extremely important to implement...
I guess now we have the most amazing opportunity to grow and bring about a true change within the global consciousness by transforming our own hearts and minds and remembering to tread lightly on the earth where ever we may go. ♥
Much Peace and Kindness
SnozzleBerry said:
Well, Most people dont know they can speak with the earth directly any longer. I have no other explaination at this point. This is something that I am fully decided on. The earth is not mute..not at all. Pachamama is speaking to us all the time, in multiple tounges..most people today have just lost the ability to hear.
I think everyone needs to take ayahuasca, mushrooms, iboga..something. Something to wake them up...maybe that will be dream yoga, maybe that will be ayahuasca..could be a near death experience..but we are collectivly runnning our asses into the ground right now and digging our own graves. I dont think we will destroy the planet..just us, and take a few other races with us, which we have already.
Humans have become stupid, deaf and naive..ignorant, fat and lazy, sick and obese..this is just not how we once were. We have forgotten how to live on planet earth.
If these people dont wake up sooner or later maybe eventaully all these sick people who want to poison the earth and poison themselves and their children will die off. I dont know what else to say.
I think Snozz that people doing things in their personal life is the most important actaully. Unless you suipport eco terrorism, where people put spikes in trees etc to kill loggers..I really dont know what else we can do.
aliendreamtime
Rising Star
The situation is pretty rough. I agree that you cant change someone's mind about such things. I am going for a BS in envirnmental science, and from all that I gather it breaks down into a single situation.
There are certain groups in this world that have massive capitol and are intersted only in retaining and expanding that capitol. This comes at the cost of taking advantage of natural resources. You cant make overhead unless you rip someone off or take advantage in some way. This is happening on a grand scale in our biosphere.
Unfortunately, these groups own the means to keep this system in place or find a new one. The occupy movement is evidence for this. People want change and in a democracy, if they are the majority, the change will happen. Its not coming, because change means bringing those in the thrones down to the existance of everyday people like us. They arent going to have that, and will do everything in their massive network of monetary and social power to keep things exactly the way they are.
This has been going on for thousands of years...columbus? cortez? vikings? king george? egypt? and has come to the point where it will probably destroy the human species, not the earth. Biology will continue, but man via his greed has ruined himself, and we are in the last gargles of a death rasp.
In a more optimistic and somewhat crazily religous sense, I hope the cataclysms to come...famine, disease, extereme weather, drouts, etc. will in a divine or gaian sense, weed out those unwilling to embrace change and a healthy planet. This is probably a ton of bull though, but oh well. I'd be happy to live in a tribe, knowing that 'the man' has died.
Just look at a geological time sacle, easy to find via google. There has been mass extinction after mass extinction, it natural. While I hate to admit it, and most will refuse to see it, the conditions are optimal for another one.
I think the only way to go about it is to take responsibilty for oneself and their impact on the environment, and hope that others catch on. Realistically, its an honorable but not strategic thing to do. There is no way out of this one.
There are certain groups in this world that have massive capitol and are intersted only in retaining and expanding that capitol. This comes at the cost of taking advantage of natural resources. You cant make overhead unless you rip someone off or take advantage in some way. This is happening on a grand scale in our biosphere.
Unfortunately, these groups own the means to keep this system in place or find a new one. The occupy movement is evidence for this. People want change and in a democracy, if they are the majority, the change will happen. Its not coming, because change means bringing those in the thrones down to the existance of everyday people like us. They arent going to have that, and will do everything in their massive network of monetary and social power to keep things exactly the way they are.
This has been going on for thousands of years...columbus? cortez? vikings? king george? egypt? and has come to the point where it will probably destroy the human species, not the earth. Biology will continue, but man via his greed has ruined himself, and we are in the last gargles of a death rasp.
In a more optimistic and somewhat crazily religous sense, I hope the cataclysms to come...famine, disease, extereme weather, drouts, etc. will in a divine or gaian sense, weed out those unwilling to embrace change and a healthy planet. This is probably a ton of bull though, but oh well. I'd be happy to live in a tribe, knowing that 'the man' has died.
Just look at a geological time sacle, easy to find via google. There has been mass extinction after mass extinction, it natural. While I hate to admit it, and most will refuse to see it, the conditions are optimal for another one.
I think the only way to go about it is to take responsibilty for oneself and their impact on the environment, and hope that others catch on. Realistically, its an honorable but not strategic thing to do. There is no way out of this one.
Jamie, I agree with just about everything you have written. That being said...
Is MEND an ecoterrorist organization? Should they have voted with their consumer choices? How do you vote with your consumer choices when you don't consume? How do you change things with your consumer choices at all given that the entire system runs on unsustainable energy and pollutes horrifically while doing so?
Personally I don't think it's radical or extreme or "terrorism" to spike trees or blockade mountain passes or deconstruct heavy machinery used for mountaintop removal or logging or other seriously harmful actions...in fact, I think what's radical, extreme and terrorizing is allowing what these industrial actions have done to the planet and us. I see no way short of force to stop the megalith of industrialized consumerism and the environmental havoc it wreaks. We are at or past the tipping point according to just about every scientific paper on this subject. If there is an alterantive solution that doesn't require direct action or the use of force against property (and potentially people) I'd love to hear it. I just haven't heard of or seen anything that strikes me (or has proved "objectively" ) to be effective.
This is just inflammatory and wrong, imo. First off, the term ecoterrorist is ludicrous and the way terrorism laws have been applied to these groups and individuals is laughable and horrific at the same time (Judi Bari, anyone?). Secondly, spiking trees is not done to kill loggers, it's done to wreck the processing equipment. Afaik, there are only like a handful of documented instances of personal injury to a logger as a result of spiked trees and only one or two where it even approached a serious injury. Compare this to the murders, injuries and incarcerations inflicted on environmental activists and it seems like a pretty one sided equation.jamie said:
Is MEND an ecoterrorist organization? Should they have voted with their consumer choices? How do you vote with your consumer choices when you don't consume? How do you change things with your consumer choices at all given that the entire system runs on unsustainable energy and pollutes horrifically while doing so?
Personally I don't think it's radical or extreme or "terrorism" to spike trees or blockade mountain passes or deconstruct heavy machinery used for mountaintop removal or logging or other seriously harmful actions...in fact, I think what's radical, extreme and terrorizing is allowing what these industrial actions have done to the planet and us. I see no way short of force to stop the megalith of industrialized consumerism and the environmental havoc it wreaks. We are at or past the tipping point according to just about every scientific paper on this subject. If there is an alterantive solution that doesn't require direct action or the use of force against property (and potentially people) I'd love to hear it. I just haven't heard of or seen anything that strikes me (or has proved "objectively" ) to be effective.
blue_velvet
Rising Star
Sorry, I don't have any alternatives to direct action and violation of property. Capitalism and its symptoms (e.g. industrial consumerism) are rooted in property by definition. The whole thing is hinged on oil, so I think this is the industry to aim at specifically. It drives everything: the trucks that transport consumer goods, the machines that tear down the forests, the tanks that kill countless civilians (for oil no less).
SnozzleBerry said:
Yeah snozz I agree..I was half just being sracastic there because usually when these groups are mentioned people just get outraged. I cant really say I blame any of these groups for the actions they take..fighting for what you hold dear so that your children can have a planet is not something to be ashamed of..and dare I say it, killing for that same thing *might* not be either. Some people just dont care at all about the future of everyone else, and maybe those people should just be taken out of the picture then..honestly this is a discussion that MUST be faced concidering the times we are in..do these people who CHOOSE to continue on this way in spite of what it is doing to all of us and our home really deserve a place here at this time? Who is it gunna be-the children of tommorow or the guy trying to make WAY more than a buck today?
Personally, I say if someone wants to ruin it for the rest of the planet we dont need them..ship them off to the moon and they can live there. I would love to see that day come.
I fully support all of these groups. Imagine going into a native amazonian village and trying to burn down the forest around it..what would they do? Kill you. Harsh but effective. These people want to kill our mother planet I say kill them before it is too late. I know how that sounds, but what else are you gunna do? There are those who are at the bottom and would love to live in a different world if the people at the top would give a little..thing is they dont. They NEED to either wake up or GTFO.
This is a topic I just feel way too strongly about. I think about it..look around, how the hell do people NOT think about it. Is is fair at all for these people to do what they do? We are talking about elite groups of people like Chevron who rape the amazon for oil and leave entire tribes sitting there screwed with poisoned water to drink while the children wither away with all kinds of diseaes..Kids starving in africa..companies that bottle so much damn water to sell for profit that they lower the water table so much that large groups of people are forced to move off the lands they inhabitied for hunreds or thousands of years..people who continue to persue the next dollar in spite of the suffering children with multiple birth defects, sterile people, people with polluted air so bad they cant go outside on hot days..the list goes on and on and on. Ask youself where your compassion for these people is going to guide you? Is your compassion for these people going to save you kids?
I HATE saying people have to die..I absolutily hate it. I hate saying this person is to blame or that person. I just dont know what else to say. At this point I dont understand how some of these people can be so fraken evil..I just dont understand it at all. I have sat here crying about it too many times. There are people out there on this planet right now who have made their own beds and now they need to lay in them..These people dug their own graves over and over IMO..My compassion for them is only for their foolishness..I can understand a man trying to feed his family. Royally fraking over the rest of the planet and raping our earth mother I will never understand. I do have some compassion for these people, but if you think playing this buddhist card and sitting here chanting love and compassion over and over at such a critical moment is going to stop these people I think you are a naive fool. In most cases I would agree, but would you do the same thing if a bear was attacking your children?
I used to be the guy yelling at people at the bus stop for littering and throwing away pop cans etc..seriousily..I was that person. All I got was rude comments and rediculous macho agressiveness back from people..they dont see it. They NEED to wake up..they need something like a real jolt.
My only other reservation is that we are going into somewhat of a new time..this is something based more on some of my own experience and gets too esoteric so I wont debate it here..I dont care to anyway. I dont buy all the 2012 crap that the new age puts forth..but I do think some things are changing.
I think most people mean well and want change. They are willing to change, but most of them are not radical abotu it. They are waiting for the guys at the top to just say okay and hand it to them. Not gunna happen.
I HATE saying people have to die..I absolutily hate it. I hate saying this person is to blame or that person. I just dont know what else to say. At this point I dont understand how some of these people can be so fraken evil..I just dont understand it at all. I have sat here crying about it too many times. There are people out there on this planet right now who have made their own beds and now they need to lay in them..These people dug their own graves over and over IMO..My compassion for them is only for their foolishness..I can understand a man trying to feed his family. Royally fraking over the rest of the planet and raping our earth mother I will never understand. I do have some compassion for these people, but if you think playing this buddhist card and sitting here chanting love and compassion over and over at such a critical moment is going to stop these people I think you are a naive fool. In most cases I would agree, but would you do the same thing if a bear was attacking your children?
I used to be the guy yelling at people at the bus stop for littering and throwing away pop cans etc..seriousily..I was that person. All I got was rude comments and rediculous macho agressiveness back from people..they dont see it. They NEED to wake up..they need something like a real jolt.
My only other reservation is that we are going into somewhat of a new time..this is something based more on some of my own experience and gets too esoteric so I wont debate it here..I dont care to anyway. I dont buy all the 2012 crap that the new age puts forth..but I do think some things are changing.
I think most people mean well and want change. They are willing to change, but most of them are not radical abotu it. They are waiting for the guys at the top to just say okay and hand it to them. Not gunna happen.
BananaForeskin
I Eat Plant Magic
I'm definitely going to read this book. I saw the thread title, "Deep Green Resistance", and it sounded like something I would want to know about... do know about... continue trying to live.
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