defat chaliponga or chacruna with dcm you'll be fine

[flyboy]

after losing 200g of chali by deaftting with naptha, the secret is as told me swim elsewhere

defat with dcm
keep base ph to about 9-10

Swim yield 800mg pure white from 100g.. is not sure if he sees a different between mimosa yet.

 

[acolon_5]

Please let us know if you find that the chali spice is loaded with 5-meo-dmt....my guess is no.

 

[gosvami]

Swim hates working with these nasty, toxic, stinky solvents in general.
So, sorry it’s a little bit off topic, but did anyone tried the idea of 69ron, to extract the alkaloids out of green plant material without a/b extraction and defatting by using only fumaric acid, caoh2 and acetone?:

Imagine this tech based on that info. Purely theoretical:

1 - Mix powder mimosa with 1 part calcium hydroxide.
2 - Add enough water to make it wet and mix. It should be like wet clay. (This freebases the DMT)
3 - Spread it out and let it dry completely.
4 - Dissolve it in acetone and filter out the solids. (Freebase DMT and other junk dissolves into the acetone)
5 - Saturate the acetone with fumaric acid.
6 - DMT fumarate precipitates out of the acetone. (Some other junk might also precipitate out the first time)
7 - Mix DMT fumarate with 1 part calcium hydroxide.
8 - Add enough water to make it wet and mix. (Freebase the DMT again)
9 - Spread it out and let it dry completely.
10- Dissolve it in acetone and filter out the solids. (At this point only alkaloids like DMT should dissolve)
11- Evaporate the acetone to get nearly pure freebase DMT.

Very interesting…SWIM will try that when he has some free time! I AM VERY EXCITED!!!!!Cool

That looks very possible if those test results are accurate. That above tech works for bufotenine if citric acid is used. But to my knowledge, no one has tried that tech with fumaric acid.

no one tried? if this tec works, it would be a revolution....:lol:

 

[acolon_5]

Swim hates working with these nasty, toxic, stinky solvents in general.
So, sorry it’s a little bit off topic, but did anyone tried the idea of 69ron, to extract the alkaloids out of green plant material without a/b extraction and defatting by using only fumaric acid, caoh2 and acetone?:

Acetone isn't that nice to work with either. There was a thread on here about using limonen as a solvent at one point. The problem they were having was that it could not be purified without using a hydrocarbon solvent.

 

[flyboy]

Please let us know if you find that the chali spice is loaded with 5-meo-dmt....my guess is no.

No, haven't noticed a difference but I'm not sure what to look for.

Will try to split the two spices up from here and see what happens.

 

[acolon_5]

Please let us know if you find that the chali spice is loaded with 5-meo-dmt....my guess is no.

No, haven't noticed a difference but I'm not sure what to look for.

Will try to split the two spices up from here and see what happens.

If you can't tell a difference in effects between mimosa extracted dmt and chali extracted dmt then I am confident that there is no 5-meo in your extract. Even with a small amount of 5-meo there is a big difference. 5mgs of 5-meo easily overpowers 60mgs of DMT. 5-MEO has little or no visuals and carries a heavy body load. You probably have just DMT (with possible trace amounts of 5-meo, maybe)

 

[gosvami]

Acetone isn't that nice to work with either. There was a thread on here about using limonen as a solvent at one point. The problem they were having was that it could not be purified without using a hydrocarbon solvent.

But fumaric acid, caoh2 and even acetone (the only chemicals of 69rons teoretically tec)are regular components of human metabolism and not at all carcinogen for the lung then smoked, contrary to aromatic hydrocarbons… (And a less toxic solvent then acetone is only ethanol.)
I admit if that tec should work, we could probably need a pretty good amount of acetone (?) and filter papers (?) and time …
But SWIM will give it a try next with self-harvested “phalaris canariensis”.:lol:

He will report the results…
If the gramine didn’t kill him before….
Or the high amount of 5meo dmt didn’t made him totally madly…
Or….

 

[69ron]

Please let us know if you find that the chali spice is loaded with 5-meo-dmt....my guess is no.

No, haven't noticed a difference but I'm not sure what to look for.

Will try to split the two spices up from here and see what happens.

If the extract doesn’t work sublingually, it doesn’t have 5-MeO-DMT in it.

Try it sublingually. If it's got lots of 5-MeO-DMT like SWIM's chaliponga, it will be very active at 10 mg sublingually. DMT is inactive at 10 mg sublingually. If 10 mg does nothing sublingually, there's probably almost not 5-MeO-DMT in it.

I'm very surprised that many are not getting high 5-MeO-DMT yields from chaliponga. There must be more than one strain in circulation that’s low in 5-MeO-DMT. SWIM's two main chaliponga vendors have chaliponga that is very high in 5-MeO-DMT. One is slightly higher than the other though, and the other one is almost salvia like from something else present. But both are very potent and the effects are not like Mimosa or Chacruna even when smoked. However, a few people cannot easily tell the different between 5-MeO-DMT and DMT. For some people 5-MeO-DMT is actually more visual than DMT. But for most people the opposite is true.

 

[69ron]

Acetone isn't that nice to work with either. There was a thread on here about using limonen as a solvent at one point. The problem they were having was that it could not be purified without using a hydrocarbon solvent.

But fumaric acid, caoh2 and even acetone (the only chemicals of 69rons teoretically tec)are regular components of human metabolism and not at all carcinogen for the lung then smoked, contrary to aromatic hydrocarbons… (And a less toxic solvent then acetone is only ethanol.)
I admit if that tec should work, we could probably need a pretty good amount of acetone (?) and filter papers (?) and time …
But SWIM will give it a try next with self-harvested “phalaris canariensis”.:lol:

He will report the results…
If the gramine didn’t kill him before….
Or the high amount of 5meo dmt didn’t made him totally madly…
Or….

Acetone, fumaric acid and calcium hydroxide are all very safe in small amounts. Acetone and fumaric acid are naturally present in human beings. Calcium hydroxide is found in many calcium supplements sold over the counter in excess of 500 mg.

There’s no way any of those could cause health problems in the amounts left over in an extraction.

As for precipitating 5-MeO-DMT or DMT from acetone using fumaric acid, SWIM tried it and was unsuccessful at it. Ronue and Coschi have tried precipitating DMT from acetone using fumaric acid and were successful at it according to their reports. I’m sure not what’s wrong with SWIM’s recent attempts. SWIM’s acetone is maybe contaminated with alcohol or something else maybe messing up things.

SWIM has precipitated bufotenine from acetone using citric acid many times though. It also seems to precipitate either 5-MeO-DMT or 5-MeO-DMT N-Oxide, but doesn’t precipitate DMT.

 

[drainlife20]

SWIM has precipitated DMT from acetone using fumaric acid 4 times now. It works very well. BUT SWIM dissolved DMT fb into acetone first, then fumaric acid into separate acetone, then added the fumaric acetone slowly with a dropper. He didn't add fumaric acetone to the pulls from extracting, this was a final step for shelf life. SWIM is wondering if 5-MeO-DMT precipitates from acetone with fumaric acid, if not he made a bit of a mistake.....

 

[69ron]

SWIM has precipitated DMT from acetone using fumaric acid 4 times now. It works very well. BUT SWIM dissolved DMT fb into acetone first, then fumaric acid into separate acetone, then added the fumaric acetone slowly with a dropper. He didn't add fumaric acetone to the pulls from extracting, this was a final step for shelf life. SWIM is wondering if 5-MeO-DMT precipitates from acetone with fumaric acid, if not he made a bit of a mistake.....

When SWIM was making his sublingual 5-MeO-DMT fumarate for his 5-MeO-DMT windowpane test, he dissolved the freebase in acetone, and then mixed in fumaric acid dissolved in acetone. Nothing precipitated. But I think SWIM's acetone is messed up. I think it got some IPA in it while it was being distilled because his distillation setup might not have been completely dry of solvent. His acetone doesn't quite smell right.