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Why did you make the promise or rather what do you get out of the promise or from it?
It may be worth keeping.
What do you hope to get out of dmt? If you do not get it would it be worth breaking the promise or losing what you get from the promise?
If you got what you wanted from dmt would it be worth breaking the promise?
Are you getting what you wanted from the promise?
Is there another way to get what you are after or find what you are looking for in either the promise or the experience dmt offers or potentially offers?
It may be worth keeping.
What do you hope to get out of dmt? If you do not get it would it be worth breaking the promise or losing what you get from the promise?
If you got what you wanted from dmt would it be worth breaking the promise?
Are you getting what you wanted from the promise?
Is there another way to get what you are after or find what you are looking for in either the promise or the experience dmt offers or potentially offers?
Earthwalker
Rising Star
davemt said:hello everyone! long time lurker. glad to be finally joining the conversation. great community you have here. got a couple of questions that I hope some of you could help me with. excuse the essay!
I have just turned 31 and for the past few years I have become completely bored with life in general. I have a great life, one that most people would give their right arm for. I genuinely appreciate it, Its great fun, I have everything I want & need, but ultimately i see it all as totally pointless. I am a realist now. A few years ago I developed the belief that there is nothing before or after death & it's made kind of numb to everything. I've absolutely no fear of death or anything else. its a big nothing. but im enjoying it while it lasts.
A month ago I stumbled upon the sprit molecule book by pure chance and it has stirred something inside of me, it has made me feel alive for the 1st time in many many years. reading all your stories has opened my mind to the fact that there may actually be something after we die. Up until this point I didn't realise that I even cared that much either way, but now I realise that if it's true, this magical compound could show me & make me appreciate life again. very exciting.
I have tried many different drugs over the years, never looking for answers though. always in a social setting. had some great times & some bad times, but ultimately realised that I had to call time & decided I was done with them. forever. time to grow up.
If I try DMT I will be once again experimenting with drugs after making a promise to myself that I would never do them again. Herein lies my predicament. Is it worth breaking that promise? I will feel like I've really let myself down if I do it & I only see trippy visuals that I can explain away logically in my mind.
I just want proof of this unbelievable thought that there is actually more to life than this. I want to believe, but I am very sceptical.
So.. should I break the promise I made to myself & experiment with DMT?
is it worth it - will I find the answer I'm looking for?
I'm not going to tell or suggest that you try anything , but I no exactly whee you're coming from with the dying thought , as I was and am still scared of dying , as I suffer sleep paralysis and that makes me very scared of being stuck in pergutory and I so I to o am looking for either a spiritual enlightenment or just a few answeres , and I also suffer from depression but if ( the molecule ) brings me as much happiness as just researching and mulling things over in my mind I can't wait to blast off !!
^^ awesome way to put it
If you try DMT and are able to explain away its effects with mere logic please do let us know. (i wont hold my breath)
How about modifying your promise so you win either way. Say... Promise you won't do drugs for recreational use. Only for spiritual practice. If it doesn't live up to your standard no big deal.
Seriously tho, psychedelics can be a great teacher, just dont go into it expecting specific answers. It will however most likely change your view on things. Often drastically. Being skeptical is good, i am still skeptical of what this life is. After dmt now i see that it is way more complex then i could ever imagine. Which is way cool.
If you try DMT and are able to explain away its effects with mere logic please do let us know. (i wont hold my breath)
How about modifying your promise so you win either way. Say... Promise you won't do drugs for recreational use. Only for spiritual practice. If it doesn't live up to your standard no big deal.
Seriously tho, psychedelics can be a great teacher, just dont go into it expecting specific answers. It will however most likely change your view on things. Often drastically. Being skeptical is good, i am still skeptical of what this life is. After dmt now i see that it is way more complex then i could ever imagine. Which is way cool.
gilga_mesh
Rising Star
this might help you in your decision: DMT is not a drug
davemt said:
Yes. Break the promise. DMT is more than just a drug.
You were a different person when you made that promise. You weren't looking for answers then, but you are now. Will you find the answer you're looking for? There will be an answer... it might not be what you want, or it might be, but either way it will be worth it.
It's not necessarily a good thing to keep a promise just for the sake of keeping it instead of evaluating the totality of your circumstances and then making a decision. Should someone in an abusive marriage stay in it until they die because they took an oath, or should they look at their situation and decide to improve their life by leaving, regardless of the "oath" they took?
Break your promise.
edit: I see you've been SOLD. :thumb_up:
Travling Tommy
Rising Star
I feel that DMT is not a drug, but probably can be used as a drug if you wish.
After i started smoking dmt i slowly decreased my cannabis habbit and right now im not smoking weed or hash at all(i smoked all day,it was a problem because i abused it).
Dmt basicly cleared up my head.
After i started smoking dmt i slowly decreased my cannabis habbit and right now im not smoking weed or hash at all(i smoked all day,it was a problem because i abused it).
Dmt basicly cleared up my head.
AgentClaret
Rising Star
DMT IS a drug at it's heart, but so so completely different and special feeling that it's unlike any other. Most people who do it don't really even do it just to "get high". If you're not of the religious type or schizophrenic, this is your best route to see something 'more'.
And you can't OD or be addicted (well, anymore than some nuts get addicted to church and that kind of thing)
And you can't OD or be addicted (well, anymore than some nuts get addicted to church and that kind of thing)
dmt IS A PSYCHOACTIVE CHEMICAL, HENCE THE TERM "DRUG" APPLIES. however, the usual connotations: addiction, ruined lives, loss of resources, etc dont really apply.
Im absolutely certain that there are people who abuse it- theres people who abuse puppies for chrissake, but the potential this substance has for positively changing lives is enormous.
it began a journey in me that has helped me become opiate free for the first time in over two decades. The revelations that were given me were (are) hard to deal with and understand, and have a lot to do with death actualkly, but ultimately freed me from a slavery I had endured far too long.
Also, if you want to class it with other dangerous drugs, then your brain should be confiscated, since it'sd and illegal drug lab. If DMT is a drug, then so is serotonin.
It can cure what ails ya.
Im absolutely certain that there are people who abuse it- theres people who abuse puppies for chrissake, but the potential this substance has for positively changing lives is enormous.
it began a journey in me that has helped me become opiate free for the first time in over two decades. The revelations that were given me were (are) hard to deal with and understand, and have a lot to do with death actualkly, but ultimately freed me from a slavery I had endured far too long.
Also, if you want to class it with other dangerous drugs, then your brain should be confiscated, since it'sd and illegal drug lab. If DMT is a drug, then so is serotonin.
It can cure what ails ya.
Hey OP,
DMT and other psychedelic drugs have helped me to quit drinking and give up smoking tobacco. I spend more time with my family and I'm more considerate of not only my feelings but also the feelings of other people.
I don't know if it's magic and as an agnostic I'm inclined to believe that it's not. But I do believe that it's healthy to get outside of your head. To take a vacation from yourself sometimes.
I highly suggest reading the Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley if you haven't read it recently. His perspective on drug use and why people use drugs I found very enlightening and his experience report with his mescaline trip is the best trip report I've ever read. You can get a copy on Amazon for under ten bucks (it's also less than 100 pages including Heaven and Hell which is a different essay so the time investment is small).
I had to give myself permission to lose myself before I could really start to find myself.
Anyway I hope something I said was helpful. Best of luck to you in your adventures
DMT and other psychedelic drugs have helped me to quit drinking and give up smoking tobacco. I spend more time with my family and I'm more considerate of not only my feelings but also the feelings of other people.
I don't know if it's magic and as an agnostic I'm inclined to believe that it's not. But I do believe that it's healthy to get outside of your head. To take a vacation from yourself sometimes.
I highly suggest reading the Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley if you haven't read it recently. His perspective on drug use and why people use drugs I found very enlightening and his experience report with his mescaline trip is the best trip report I've ever read. You can get a copy on Amazon for under ten bucks (it's also less than 100 pages including Heaven and Hell which is a different essay so the time investment is small).
I had to give myself permission to lose myself before I could really start to find myself.
Anyway I hope something I said was helpful. Best of luck to you in your adventures
Dmt cannot show you if there is or is not life after death.
AlbertKLloyd said:
This^^^^
...and a whole lot more.
Break your promise if you are comfortable accepting that it is time to change and move on. If you break it, do not have any expectations of epiphanies or meaning or spirit or answers. Take it for what it is and you will likely be astonished. Create expectations and I guarantee you it will not be what you expect. And you may mire in disappointment. Which will lead to regret for breaking your promise.
Only way out is to accept and not expect. Try it and you'll know what I mean afterwards.
Good luck,
JBArk
jbark said:
This is pretty sound advice.
My first thought is that you are setting your expectations very high here - and with some very specific criteria about what it is you want and expect to experience. My second thought is that if you are conflicted about using drugs and are "breaking a promise" to yourself in order to do this, you are very likely to carry that into the experience, and that this may lay the groundwork for difficult experiences (which are not necessarily a bad thing).
I can say with 100% certainty that whatever it is you are envisioning it to be, you're considerably off base - and I can say this because NO ONE expects it; we're just not wired to imagine such weirdness. But it is profound, and for me at least, I would say that it's been transformative.
If you come back with answers, let us know, because I haven't found any myself. What I do have now though are endless questions - and they've made my life more interesting.
AlbertKLloyd said:
Generalized, blanket statements about what dmt can or cannot do may be a bit misleading, imo. For example, dmt has absolutely shown me there is life after death, and the soul is real. In fact, I am no longer afraid of death...not saying I want to hasten it's arrival.
I have also read posts about others feeling this way. It could be very possible that dmt has many lessons to teach, according to how deep you are willing to go with itUncle Knucles said:
Speak for yourself and not for others. What may be true for you, isn't necessarily true for everyone else. I think this is a pretty narrow minded approach to this situation, especially for an intellectual such as yourself. I charge my ayahuasca trips in a ritual setting and many times i get what I'm aiming for and much much more. I know many others that do this as well. Whilst it may not be possible to control a dmt trip, you can effect it's direction before its onset.
You have found many answers, you just haven't realized it yet. Maybe the most important answer you can learn in your life is that.... maybe there are no real answers.
To the op, i recommend trying to microdose acrb+rue with some meditation. This will give far more control over your trip whilst still giving you the possibility to experience what you want (with work on your part via meditation) There's a few threads on this forum detailing methods that work very well
. I truly despise the reductionist philosophy so many people espouse on this forum. Don't let anyone else tell you what you can or cannot experience on dmt. Keep an open mind, and i say go for it. Rules are meant to be broken.
Redguard said:Uncle Knucles said:
Speak for yourself and not for others. What may be true for you, isn't necessarily true for everyone else. I think this is a pretty narrow minded approach to this situation, especially for an intellectual such as yourself. I charge my ayahuasca trips in a ritual setting and many times i get what I'm aiming for and much much more. I know many others that do this as well. Whilst it may not be possible to control a dmt trip, you can effect it's direction before its onset.
You have found many answers, you just haven't realized it yet. Maybe the most important answer you can learn in your life is that.... maybe there are no real answers.
To the op, i recommend trying to microdose acrb+rue with some meditation. This will give far more control over your trip whilst still giving you the possibility to experience what you want (with work on your part via meditation) There's a few threads on this forum detailing methods that work very well
Redguard, you may get what you're aiming for, but you know somewhat approximately what you can expect to experience whereas someone who has not done any such things has no real clue. I feel pretty confident that someone who has never taken the drug could read every word about it I've ever written or heard every word I've ever spoken about it, and they still could not formulate a very accurate image in the slightest of the kinds of things that go on there.
It can often break or ignore your initial intentions, and you wind up with a whole other animal of an experience you may not have seen coming, known possible or not desirable, so I think what Art was trying to get at is that if you try and place all your eggs in one basket for having a certain kind of experience that you may or may not be likely to have, then when it breaks your expectations apart it could be more traumatic than if you entered the situation with more openness.
