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[pitubo]

Anyone?

I cannot help you much, because I have no experience with this method. My impression is that the general consensus here is that this is not a proven and dependable method. Maybe I can still help you - to ask better questions, so that the chance of getting a better answer from someone will increase.

Why do you assume that your conversion to freebase was successful or even complete? Why would dmt be converted but nmt not? What is the mechanism behind that? Why do you assume that all impurities will be water soluble?

Degrees what? If you do not specify celcius or fahrenheit, celcius will be assumed as the default, because that is the international scientific standard unit of temperature. There is an entire world outside of 'merika...

 

[ThatDirtyHippy]

I used this as my base tek as well. I pull with sunflower oil and reaalt with vinegar. Using heat to take off the acetate 100% works. From my experience, the acetate has a very different smell from freebase.

And personally I don't rewash. I quite enjoy the full spectrum of my acrb

 

[TGO]

In my experience, free basing with heat is quite ineffective (I've done Q21's tek at least 50 times now). There was always a little vinegar left within the goo that never seemed like it wants to go away fully. Your best bet is to do a sodium carbonate wash, which will 1)Clean up the spice a bit and 2)Neutralizes the vinegar/acetate and converts the spice into free base form.

With the heating method, it is guesswork. With a sodium carbonate wash, you guarantee that your product is now in free base or a "smokable" form.

My first batch of changa that I ever made was made with Spice that had been "free based with heat" supposedly but when I smoked it, it was harsh and slightly tasted of vinegar. Plus the trips were hit and miss because I was trying to smoke a salt form of DMT which doesn't work very well. This was after leaving the vinegar laden with spice in a dish suspended above a pot of boiling water for several hours until it no longer smelled of vinegar. And then leaving it to sit in the open air for a few days. It smelled like spice and not of vinegar until it was smoalked.

So trust me, this method is the least effective way to free base your spice.

 

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[TGO]

In my experience, free basing with heat is quite ineffective (I've done Q21's tek at least 50 times now). There was always a little vinegar left within the goo that never seemed like it wants to go away fully. Your best bet is to do a sodium carbonate wash, which will 1)Clean up the spice a bit and 2)Neutralizes the vinegar/acetate and converts the spice into free base form.

Were you using MHRB or ACRB? What temperature did you use?

With the heating method, it is guesswork. With a sodium carbonate wash, you guarantee that your product is now in free base or a "smokable" form.

Okay I'll wash with sodium carb solution.

My first batch of changa that I ever made was made with Spice that had been "free based with heat" supposedly but when I smoked it, it was harsh and slightly tasted of vinegar. Plus the trips were hit and miss because I was trying to smoke a salt form of DMT which doesn't work very well. This was after leaving the vinegar laden with spice in a dish suspended above a pot of boiling water for several hours until it no longer smelled of vinegar. And then leaving it to sit in the open air for a few days. It smelled like spice and not of vinegar until it was smoalked.

Hmmm, that's interesting.

So trust me, this method is the least effective way to free base your spice.

I trust you, thanks for your response. I'm still going to try this and if it doesn't work out as planned I'll just get some acetone and do a proper conversion. I want to avoid solvents at all costs if I can.

Right on, man! I'm all for people continuing to experiment with Q21's heat method. It can't be discredited fully until a lot of experimentation says otherwise. I am very interested in your results.



To answer your question(s), I have actually tried this method on both MHRB and ACRB (much more extensively with ACRB, only once with MHRB). I suspended my pyrex dish with vinegar/spice above a pot of boiling water which heated the dish to approximately +/-212 degrees F. I've also experimented with evaporating it in a a food dehydrator. Unfortunately, I have a cheap one that doesn't tell me what temperature it operates at. Dehydration was based on time rather than temps when using this method.

The main reason I strayed away from this method is that after inhaling a bit of vinegar vapor, I quickly realized that it was unpleasant and likely bad for one's health, IMO. It was worlds apart whenever I smoked some spice using the sodium carb method. Keep in mind that with a sodium carb wash, you will likely lose some of the overall yield but this results in a purer product.

Sometimes I even take the free base (after sodium carb wash) and dissolve it in hot heptane (hot water bath) and decant away even more impurities. But I know you said you wanted to avoid solvents.

All in all, I have had the best results from ACRB using Cyb's tek with Earthwalker's cleanup steps found here: ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

But that is not a food safe tek by any means. Anyway, sorry for going a bit off topic! Good luck man!