Dimethyltryptamine questions.. concerns?

[Psychedelias]

Hello forum. I have been researching dmt for awhile (The only drugs swim has done is acid, marijuana, salvia) and reading on this forum. a couple questions and concerns have popped up in my head.

Are there any harmfull effects to the body/mind by using dmt, such as a drug like methamphetamine would?

The extraction techniques remind me a lot of meth, and so does dmt, the extraction techniques have to use watched chemicals, and when smoking dmt you can use a lightbulb pipe (like meth users) and how the crystal melts like meth and so on. it concerns me because i'm absolutely intrigued by psychedelics, but drugs like cocaine, meth, and heroin absolutely frighten me.

What similarities are there between dmt and meth? it seems the more i read there are a lot of similarities, and this turns me off on it. of course i would love to take a spiritual journey with dmt but if it is in any way related to meth i dont want to touch it.

also i was reading on the "you know you extract too much spice when" post and it seems like everyone who uses dmt has a bad habit forming with dmt? is it that it is addictive and it consumes your life as does meth?

again this is all from speculation of reading on this forum. thank you in advance

 

[Land0n0]

the only real thing that DMT has in common with methamphetamine is the fact that they are both commonly made into a freebase, this however does not mean that they are the same in any way, DMT does not have physical effects on your body nor is it physically addictive it can however have a mentally traumatizing affect on some users due to its intensity, it also has the potential to be psychologically addictive but this is pretty rare.

 

[Land0n0]

i would also like to direct you to the health and safety page for more solid information as my knowledge is very limited on the subject

DMT-Nexus Wiki:Health and Safety - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

 

[Sykosis]

First welcome to the Nexus.

Second and foremost stop comparing DMT to meth. Thank you in advance.

Dmt is endogenous within the human body. It is believed to play a role in your consciousness and produce the dreams you see at night.

The extraction is similar to many used for all kinds of things, it's scientific process.

DMT is 100% totally and utterly different form methamphetamine, meth is a stimulant DMT is a psychedelic.

I really encourage you to learn more, a good place to start would be the documentary entitled "DMT The Spirit Molecule."

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

meth and DMT are about as related as THC and crack.

they are similar insofar as they are both molecules... and both psychoactive..

that is really about it.

also, DMT acts on your serotonin receptors, not your dopamine, meaning that physically speaking, it is less addictive than chocolate (assuming the chocolate is high quality).

or precisely as addictive as marijuana (unless i am misinformed)

 

[○]

You've been researching DMT for awhile?

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The experience facilitated by DMT is in NO WAY at all similar to meth, nor their chemical relationship.

 

[olympus mon]

:lol: Gotta be trolling.

 

[Global]

The extraction techniques remind me a lot of meth, and so does dmt, the extraction techniques have to use watched chemicals, and when smoking dmt you can use a lightbulb pipe (like meth users) and how the crystal melts like meth and so on. it concerns me because i'm absolutely intrigued by psychedelics, but drugs like cocaine, meth, and heroin absolutely frighten me.

The extraction techniques do not have to use watched chemicals. If you think that it does, you haven't done enough research. There are substantial alternatives to using watched chemicals. I use vinegar for an acid, calcium hydroxide (ph increaser used in fish tanks) or you can even use "edible lime" (also calcium hydroxide) for a base, and naptha is not "watched". You can use a light bulb pipe, but few of us around here actually do. The light bulb pipe heats with conduction thus burning the spice whereas the vaporizers we use heat with convection by having the glass (or whatever) come into direct contact with the spice, and thus vaporizing it. Sure you can draw a lot of connections to how it could be used, but this would be to ignore all the ways to do it that aren't like it.

This whole argument bears little weight. It's like saying you can pick a raspberry off a bush, and it's a red berry that grows on bushes, and you pick them and eat them, and then you try to compare them to common and extremely toxic yew berry which is also red that you pick off a bush and could theoretically eat. Of course the entire ensuing "experience" is completely different and has nothing to do with each other. I could understand how some similarities in the extraction/administration process might scare you, but let me reassure you that the similarities end there, and it's logically fallacious to conclude that they might be the same because of the happenstance methods one might have to go through to extract/ingest them.

 

[AnAngelicProcess]

It's not related in any way. In terms of your addiction question, that depends on the person, but generally it's one of the least addicting substances because of the intensity and speed of the experience. In the three years I've known about it, I've only done it 6 times. I don't see it as something anyone would be tempted to abuse. To me, it's the ultimate tool of the psychedelic spectrum, and requires the greatest respect.

 

[Lavir]

I don't see it as something anyone would be tempted to abuse.

Actually you can start to abuse it. In a certain sense DMT sorts of "invite" you to, if you have that approach. It starts by giving you euphoria and great fun experiences, totally recreational looking. The joy and wonderfulness becomes higher and higher and you become more and more sure that DMT is a "fantastic recreational substance" and then... it happens.

It will destroy you utterly and will make you hope you would have died instead. It will crush you and turn your life miserable for a while (that will seem an eternity).

DMT is one of the substances that really seem to behaves like it has a praeterhuman intelligence behind or controlling it, because the effects change dramatically depending on the person using it, but in ways that goes beyond the mere set and setting. It is like DMT shapes the "tests" on your soul, but not immediately, with patience (in a seemingly predetermined matter; I've always been extremely impressed by this modus operandi of DMT and for this it has become my major tool in my work).

So, if you are prone to abusing, DMT will first almost make you love to abuse it, only to then crush you for the disrespect, making you learn the hard way.

 

[The Traveler]

So, if you are prone to abusing, DMT will first almost make you love to abuse it, only to then crush you for the disrespect, making you learn the hard way.

I dare to say that what you state here is very subjective and might be something that happened to you but it is not common at all that DMT 'lures' you into loving it to abuse it and then turns against you.

Often people who have a disrespectful approach towards DMT do not read much about it and when they take it for the first time they take what we would call a (very) heavy dose. Also their set and setting is often bad (wanting to get high at a festival for example). Those things are what will scare many unprepared first time users into the pretty common "I tried DMT once but I will NEVER take it again" state.

Then we have people who start DMT with the right set and setting and then slowly but surely crawl towards the abuse side, often to try out where the edge of this substance is. Those are the ones that are rewarded with a hyperbitchslap around the soul and report about how utterly destroying their experience suddenly was.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Lavir]

I dare to say that what you state here is very subjective and might be something that happened to you but it is not common at all that DMT 'lures' you into loving it to abuse it and then turns against you.

The abusing I was talking about is different from the "abusing" you are talking about, however.

The approach on a modus operandi changes the same modus operandi. Your "abuse" it is more intensive use or what William Blake called "excess" (as in _The Road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom_).

I personally used DMT even 2/3 times a day myself for months on end, but I never abused the substance (and believe me, I know what abusing a substance really means) anyway because behind the use there was not the typical approach (in mentality) abusing a substance has. The psychology and approach is different.

 

[The Traveler]

I dare to say that what you state here is very subjective and might be something that happened to you but it is not common at all that DMT 'lures' you into loving it to abuse it and then turns against you.

The abusing I was talking about is different from the "abusing" you are talking about, however.

The approach on a modus operandi changes the same modus operandi. Your "abuse" it is more intensive use or what William Blake called "excess" (as in _The Road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom_).

I personally used DMT even 2/3 times a day myself for months on end, but I never abused the substance (and believe me, I know what abusing a substance really means) anyway because behind the use there was not the typical approach (in mentality) abusing a substance has. The psychology and approach is different.

Thank you for clarifying your statement.


Kind regards,

The Traveler